Help building a new stream server

[_Grid21]

Hey guys! So I am trying to help our media guy at our church build a new stream server to run a software called Live Stream. The current issue is when we are streaming and recording, the CPU usage goes up to 89% or more and the computer reports back that it is running out of system resources. 

 

Current specs
i7-5930k

16GB of ram running at 2400Mhz

Nvida EVGA GT740 4GB

Motherboard is a Asus x99 deluxe.

 

 

I think what might be the bottle neck is the GT740, however most of the work load is being done on the 5930k. We'd like to honestly upgrade the whole system but I am not to sure what processor to check out, I do think it'd be good to get a GTX 1080 and the same about of system ram or more. 

 

Let me know! Thanks!

[PCGuy_5960]

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Edited February 8, 2017 by PCGuy_5960

[Sprawlie]

11 minutes ago, Josh_Grid21 said:

Hey guys! So I am trying to help our media guy at our church build a new stream server to run a software called Live Stream. The current issue is when we are streaming and recording, the CPU usage goes up to 89% or more and the computer reports back that it is running out of system resources. 

 

Current specs
i7-5930k

16GB of ram running at 2400Mhz

Nvida EVGA GT740 4GB

Motherboard is a Asus x99 deluxe.

 

 

I think what might be the bottle neck is the GT740, however most of the work load is being done on the 5930k. We'd like to honestly upgrade the whole system but I am not to sure what processor to check out, I do think it'd be good to get a GTX 1080 and the same about of system ram or more. 

 

Let me know! Thanks!

Your system should be more than fine to easily handle at least a single a single 1080p webstream. especially if the system is not being shared with other tasks. sounds like something else is wrong.

 

The "Live Stream" software, who makes it? what does its resource utilization look like? can it use GPU encode? can it scale to use those cores better? 

 

there's a lot of questions here, But you shouldn't really have problems. I have tested streaming @ 1080p on hasswell i5's using OBS, Xsplit and a few other solutions and can manage fine without running out of resources. 

 

As I said, unless you're trying to share this server amongst many different applications, from a hardware perspective, there's not a lot you need. If anything, upgrade the GPU to a midrange 10xx or 9xx series for the better GPU compute.

 

 

 

[_Grid21]

3 minutes ago, Sprawlie said:

Your system should be more than fine to easily handle at least a single a single 1080p webstream. especially if the system is not being shared with other tasks. sounds like something else is wrong.

 

The "Live Stream" software, who makes it? what does its resource utilization look like? can it use GPU encode? can it scale to use those cores better? 

 

there's a lot of questions here, But you shouldn't really have problems. I have tested streaming @ 1080p on hasswell i5's using OBS, Xsplit and a few other solutions and can manage fine without running out of resources. 

 

As I said, unless you're trying to share this server amongst many different applications, from a hardware perspective, there's not a lot you need. If anything, upgrade the GPU to a midrange 10xx or 9xx series for the better GPU compute.

 

 

 

 

The software is called Livestream Studio by Livestream. The system utilization is about 80% and up during a stream/record. My media guy said the PSU shouldn't be the issue. The company live stream recommends a 650 or higher. So probably we need a new GPU. 

[PCGuy_5960]

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[Bananasplit_00]

how does that not manage steaming? i can stream anything just fine at 1080p... well i would change the GPU, what PSU do you have? might need an upgrade if you are replaceing the GPU

[Sprawlie]

Just did a lookup of that software.

That's some hefty software right there! Without knowing fully what you're doing with it, or having used it myself, it's hard to guess

 

But it looks a lot more than just a simple streaming software. looks like it's a full featured video editing and streaming suite. this may be why you're seeing such heavy usage. If it's anything like Premiere, it's doing a lot in the background more than just streaming. That's my guess why you're seeing very high CPU usage. it's just using everything you have available.

 

You're definitely above the minimum specs, but not by much on the CPU side. So it's possible that ugprading to a 8 core/16thread CPU might help

 

Unfortunately, at this point, upgrading to the 6c/12t Skylake CPU isn't likely going to yield a lot of performance gain. And Kaby Lake parts with more than 4 cores is not available yet.

 

it's also possible that you're using a software encoder that isn't terribly optmised, or doesn't leverage GPU encode. Not even sure if Live Stream Studio supports it (can't find it on their site)

 

sorry if I haven't been terribly helpful. But it kind of looks like if you're really Bottlenecked, you need a big upgrade.

 

 

 

[NoobCase]

Where in this thread does OP state that the server is rebooting? 

 

Anyways check your ram usage and vram usage. Seen plenty of gpu intensive rendering program Come up with that message and it usually turné out to be too little ram on the GPU.  A 740 has what?  1 or 2gb? That could easily be too little. 

 

Sorry..  Just reread OP..  4gb  ram..  Should be enough but as others are saying: it is really depends t on what your software is set to use and how optimized it is. 

[_Grid21]

16 minutes ago, Sprawlie said:

Just did a lookup of that software.

That's some hefty software right there! Without knowing fully what you're doing with it, or having used it myself, it's hard to guess

 

But it looks a lot more than just a simple streaming software. looks like it's a full featured video editing and streaming suite. this may be why you're seeing such heavy usage. If it's anything like Premiere, it's doing a lot in the background more than just streaming. That's my guess why you're seeing very high CPU usage. it's just using everything you have available.

 

You're definitely above the minimum specs, but not by much on the CPU side. So it's possible that ugprading to a 8 core/16thread CPU might help

 

Unfortunately, at this point, upgrading to the 6c/12t Skylake CPU isn't likely going to yield a lot of performance gain. And Kaby Lake parts with more than 4 cores is not available yet.

 

it's also possible that you're using a software encoder that isn't terribly optmised, or doesn't leverage GPU encode. Not even sure if Live Stream Studio supports it (can't find it on their site)

 

sorry if I haven't been terribly helpful. But it kind of looks like if you're really Bottlenecked, you need a big upgrade.

 

 

 

 

My media guy said that the software is giving the error. Good thing I can still get 2011-v3 processors.

16 minutes ago, NoobCase said:

Where in this thread does OP state that the server is rebooting? 

 

Anyways check your ram usage and vram usage. Seen plenty of gpu intensive rendering program Come up with that message and it usually turné out to be too little ram on the GPU.  A 740 has what?  1 or 2gb? That could easily be too little. 

 

Sorry..  Just reread OP..  4gb  ram..  Should be enough but as others are saying: it is really depends t on what your software is set to use and how optimized it is. 

 

Well we're still gonna go for a processor and ran upgrade.

[_Grid21]

Now what EVGA 1080 8G GPU should we invest in? I liked the specs of the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING. Would that card be suited for live streaming?

[NoobCase]

22 minutes ago, Josh_Grid21 said:

Now what EVGA 1080 8G GPU should we invest in? I liked the specs of the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING. Would that card be suited for live streaming?

Well.. if it doesn't solve your issue.. then I'm pretty sure its not a GPU bottleneck causing the issues

[_Grid21]

5 minutes ago, NoobCase said:

Well.. if it doesn't solve your issue.. then I'm pretty sure its not a GPU bottleneck causing the issues

I went with the gaming edition. Just so we have the best we can throw just in case.

[Qwweb]

36 minutes ago, Josh_Grid21 said:

Now what EVGA 1080 8G GPU should we invest in? I liked the specs of the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING. Would that card be suited for live streaming?

Umm... seeing as clock speeds would not matter a whole ton and (I am guessing) you are not OCing the GPU I would recommend just getting the cheapest 1080 you can get as there will be little if any difference in performance.

Also if the GPU is the bottleneck and you are looking for 1080p 60FPS streaming capability I would suggest a 1070 as it would perform just as reliably for a lot less.

6 minutes ago, Josh_Grid21 said:

I went with the gaming edition. Just so we have the best we can throw just in case.

Honestly if a 1070 can't fix the problem, then the GPU is not the only bottleneck with that build...

[michaelocarroll007]

20 minutes ago, Qwweb said:

Umm... seeing as clock speeds would not matter a whole ton and (I am guessing) you are not OCing the GPU I would recommend just getting the cheapest 1080 you can get as there will be little if any difference in performance.

Also if the GPU is the bottleneck and you are looking for 1080p 60FPS streaming capability I would suggest a 1070 as it would perform just as reliably for a lot less.

Honestly if a 1070 can't fix the problem, then the GPU is not the only bottleneck with that build...

Yeah a 1070 is most likely more then enough. Its a very high end GPU.  Why dont you check your GPU usage when you check the CPU? like others have mentioned see if you can encode with the GPU if thats possible then defiently get the 1070 or 1080 if not not and the GPU usage isnt maxing out no real reason to upgrade it. 

 

Program can be badly optimized and just need to be brute forced with the best CPU you can afford to get if you cant gpu encode and the usage is that high. 

 

ALso the differences between the 1070 models and the 1080 models superclocked g1 gaming ect doesnt matter much at all just go for whats cheaper or on sale this week