RAID0 array failure

[H0R53]

I have 2 160GB disks in RAID0. Every now and then at least twice a day one of the disks fails by powering itself off. Any reason why? Both disks are on separate power headers from the PSU (which is twin rail), which itself is 700W. I was using the array for FRAPS and it worked well for a while but now one of the disks is failing for whatever reason. CheckDisk found no problems with the disk but there's a spare 41MB of unallocated space on one of the disks. While removing my files from the disks to disable the array it's failed twice already.

 

Any insight? I can't figure out the problem, the SMART data looks fine.

[NotaMex]

What OS are u running?

[sazrocks]

SMART can't catch everything. It's probably dying.

[SuperShermanTanker]

7 minutes ago, H0R53 said:

I have 2 160GB disks in RAID0. Every now and then at least twice a day one of the disks fails by powering itself off. Any reason why? Both disks are on separate power headers from the PSU (which is twin rail), which itself is 700W. I was using the array for FRAPS and it worked well for a while but now one of the disks is failing for whatever reason. CheckDisk found no problems with the disk but there's a spare 41MB of unallocated space on one of the disks. While removing my files from the disks to disable the array it's failed twice already.

 

Any insight? I can't figure out the problem, the SMART data looks fine.

Could be the disk just failing the SMART thing doesn't always detect everything. Are they SSDs or are they just old hard drives?

[Electronics Wizardy]

drive is failing, copy the data off and get a new one.

 

and really, stop using a raid 0 of 2 old drives, one new one is faster

[H0R53]

They are both old SATA drives. I'm pulling a 3.75GB file off and Windows 7 keeps telling me "Cannot read from the source disk". I hit Retry and everything starts moving again.

[H0R53]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

drive is failing, copy the data off and get a new one.

 

and really, stop using a raid 0 of 2 old drives, one new one is faster

Don't tell me what to do.

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, H0R53 said:

Don't tell me what to do.

you come to a forum for that

 

seriously tho.. if any of that data was of value to you, you shouldnt have put it even close to a raid 0. do yourself a favor and get a 1TB something new and call it a day.

[Enderman]

Try clean installing windows, if that still doesn't fix it your SSD is dying.

Also, don't do raid 0, it sucks.

[H0R53]

4 minutes ago, manikyath said:

you come to a forum for that

 

seriously tho.. if any of that data was of value to you, you shouldnt have put it even close to a raid 0. do yourself a favor and get a 1TB something new and call it a day.

I can get two new 500GB and put them in RAID0. It'll be faster that way.

I already have a 240GB boot drive, and a 500GB drive for my storage. The RAID array is for the AVI files that FRAPS makes and I needed a fast write rate so I bought two older drives with moderately good write rates and slapped them in RAID. All the files are off now so I'll pull apart the array and see what happens.

[SuperShermanTanker]

9 minutes ago, H0R53 said:

Don't tell me what to do.

That's what the forum is for we aren't here to command you what to do we are here to give some advice and suggestions and help you fix the problem

[H0R53]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Try clean installing windows, if that still doesn't fix it your SSD is dying.

Also, don't do raid 0, it sucks.

They aren't SSDs. Aaaaand it failed again while pulling The Force Awakens off...

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, H0R53 said:

I can get two new 500GB and put them in RAID0. It'll be faster that way.

I already have a 240GB boot drive, and a 500GB drive for my storage. The RAID array is for the AVI files that FRAPS makes and I needed a fast write rate so I bought two older drives with moderately good write rates and slapped them in RAID. All the files are off now so I'll pull apart the array and see what happens.

Why fraps, id try OBS so you have compression. Or shadow play if your with nvidia.

[H0R53]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Why fraps, id try OBS so you have compression. Or shadow play if your with nvidia.

Because I bought it, I have 4 physical cores and for some reason I don't suffer bad frame drops with it, and why fix something that isn't broken?

Just found out which drive is broken, my Western Digital (WDC WD1600AAJS-08L7A0 ATA) I've been using for almost a year now. Seagate is still pulling its weight though, my 500GB is also a SeaGate. I'll bring it to a specialist and see what he says (he's a friend of mine). This frees up one of 4 SATA ports, so I'll slap an ODD in if I can find one that works.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, H0R53 said:

why fix something that isn't broken?

because there is a better solution.

[H0R53]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

because there is a better solution.

FRAPS works fine for me. Been using it since 2012.

 

Just restarted both disks as simple volumes. The WD performs fine outside of RAID. i couldn't pull Star Wars (3.5GB) off but I can write a 2.5GB file just fine...

[SuperShermanTanker]

2 minutes ago, H0R53 said:

I can get two new 500GB and put them in RAID0. It'll be faster that way.

I already have a 240GB boot drive, and a 500GB drive for my storage. The RAID array is for the AVI files that FRAPS makes and I needed a fast write rate so I bought two older drives with moderately good write rates and slapped them in RAID. All the files are off now so I'll pull apart the array and see what happens.

In my opinion you could grab a SSD and run off that I know from using FRAPS that it makes HUGE files and needs a lot of read and write speed also you don't have to worry about the problems that come with raid. Alternatively just grab a 1tb 7200rpm drive and go with that I use a 3tb 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda drive and it works perfectly and has a ton of storage and is fast enough for recording with FRAPS at 1080p 60fps with no issues. Also I just want to say the difference in speed between the older drives and the new ones they have today are faster too because with a modern 1tb 7200rpm drive you could get up to 180 megabytes per second sequential read and write and since FRAPS just writes one large file you should be just fine since the drive won't have to move it's read/write head very much so you would be able to get the full 150-180megabytes per second read and write of the drive.

[manikyath]

12 minutes ago, H0R53 said:

I needed a fast write rate

what horrendous kind of bitrate is your fraps pushing out? my WD black easily goes 150MB/s (thats easily past the gigabit mark)

so unless you're somehow of the idea that you need to store every individual pixel on a 1080p60 recording to disk, you dont need a raid0, there's better solutions for that.

8 minutes ago, H0R53 said:

FRAPS works fine for me. Been using it since 2012.

DOS was fine as well, so was windows 98, windows XP, analog camcorders, these phones, and this car.

 

doesnt mean they cant be replaced by something better

a friend of mine that was on the fraps bandwagon actually got better video quality and lower bitrate files by switching to OBS with a high bitrate. (something like 20-50Mbps or something ridiculous like that...)

[H0R53]

2 minutes ago, SuperShermanTanker said:

In my opinion you could grab a SSD and run off that I know from using FRAPS that it makes HUGE files and needs a lot of read and write speed also you don't have to worry about the problems that come with raid. Alternatively just grab a 1tb 7200rpm drive and go with that I use a 3tb 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda drive and it works perfectly and has a ton of storage and is fast enough for recording with FRAPS at 1080p 60fps with no issues. Also I just want to say the difference in speed between the older drives and the new ones they have today are faster too because with a modern 1tb 7200rpm drive you could get up to 180 megabytes per second sequential read and write and since FRAPS just writes one large file you should be just fine since the drive won't have to move it's read/write head very much so you would be able to get the full 150-180megabytes per second read and write of the drive.

These drives aren't THAT old (circa 2011). I am constantly deleting footage if it's not right so I only need about 250-300GB, and I used to use FRAPS on a 250GB drive in a laptop ages ago. My 500GB is almost full and I don't want to clutter my boot drive. My boot drive literally only has Windows/Microsoft products on it and nothing else, which is a feat since it always wants to install programs to C:\ instead of D:\.

I will try again with a PCI SATA card with some SSDs in RAID. The WD hasn't failed after I got rid of the RAID array and while writing this I've been copying a 20GB file with no failure. I think the problem was the RAID array since it was a foreign array after my Windows 10 fiasco and I reinstalled 7. After that I got a new case and unplugged everything and I was sure I plugged it back into the right port but I am not so sure now. I'll restripe the volumes again and see how it performs. If it fails again I'll just buy some new 160GB drives which may or may not be SSDs.

[H0R53]

3 minutes ago, manikyath said:

what horrendous kind of bitrate is your fraps pushing out? my WD black easily goes 150MB/s (thats easily past the gigabit mark)

so unless you're somehow of the idea that you need to store every individual pixel on a 1080p60 recording to disk, you dont need a raid0, there's better solutions for that.

DOS was fine as well, so was windows 98, windows XP, analog camcorders, these phones, and this car.

 

doesnt mean they cant be replaced by something better

a friend of mine that was on the fraps bandwagon actually got better video quality and lower bitrate files by switching to OBS with a high bitrate. (something like 20-50Mbps or something ridiculous like that...)

I still have my Galaxy S 4 that came out 4 years ago running Cyanogenmod, 10 year old JBL computer speakers, and a 10 year old motherboard. Not broken, don't fix it.

I force lossless RGB capture and FRAPS is capable of pushing over 2 gigabits at 2K, even more at 4K (recording Dolphin Emulator at 2K).

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, H0R53 said:

I still have my Galaxy S 4 that came out 4 years ago running Cyanogenmod, 10 year old JBL computer speakers, and a 10 year old motherboard. Not broken, don't fix it.

I force lossless RGB capture and FRAPS is capable of pushing over 2 gigabits at 2K, even more at 4K (recording Dolphin Emulator at 2K).

i still gladly use one of these, because it still makes audio in the exact same way as a modern tube amp.

(technically not a tube amp, its an early electrostatic that's engineered for the "tube sound")

 

however, i dont see people use these to drive their cars anymore:

 

why? because they're terribly inefficient, and have been replaced by much more efficient designs, just like fraps.

[SuperShermanTanker]

7 minutes ago, H0R53 said:

These drives aren't THAT old (circa 2011). I am constantly deleting footage if it's not right so I only need about 250-300GB, and I used to use FRAPS on a 250GB drive in a laptop ages ago. My 500GB is almost full and I don't want to clutter my boot drive. My boot drive literally only has Windows/Microsoft products on it and nothing else, which is a feat since it always wants to install programs to C:\ instead of D:\.

I will try again with a PCI SATA card with some SSDs in RAID. The WD hasn't failed after I got rid of the RAID array and while writing this I've been copying a 20GB file with no failure. I think the problem was the RAID array since it was a foreign array after my Windows 10 fiasco and I reinstalled 7. After that I got a new case and unplugged everything and I was sure I plugged it back into the right port but I am not so sure now. I'll restripe the volumes again and see how it performs. If it fails again I'll just buy some new 160GB drives which may or may not be SSDs.

Just go with a 512gb SSD or a 1tb 7200rpm HDD and all of your problems will go away and PS I have seen no performance difference between my crucial 270gb SSD and one of my 1tb 7200rpm drives with fraps recording to it you would save ALOT of trouble just going with a simple 1tb 7200rpm HDD and PS it's not the best idea to RAID SSDs because it causes the SSD to die quicker because the drive won't wear and tear evenly across the memory chips and it'll just end up shortening the life of the SSD.

[SuperShermanTanker]

8 minutes ago, H0R53 said:

I still have my Galaxy S 4 that came out 4 years ago running Cyanogenmod, 10 year old JBL computer speakers, and a 10 year old motherboard. Not broken, don't fix it.

I force lossless RGB capture and FRAPS is capable of pushing over 2 gigabits at 2K, even more at 4K (recording Dolphin Emulator at 2K).

Then if I were you I'd just invest in a SSD and it would be a simple easy fix and you would not have to worry about one of 2 hard drives failing.

[H0R53]

3 minutes ago, SuperShermanTanker said:

Then if I were you I'd just invest in a SSD and it would be a simple easy fix and you would not have to worry about one of 2 hard drives failing.

I'll just roll with the Seagate for now until I can get something better, then. I put them both back in RAID with Windows Disk Manager and I'm about to do an hour long R/W stress test.

[H0R53]

So far everything is fine, I just think that being in 3 different OS's screwed the array up somehow. Still a ways to go on the stress test, no bad sectors yet. I am going to do a zero write tonight while I am sleeping, on both drives.