Will PlayStation kill dx12

[jjohnthedon1]

So just a thought but will the PlayStation kill dx12 because it can't support it meaning that everything will be released in either 11 or both and we won't full merge to dx12 because of Sony ?!

[Godlygamer23]

The consoles use their own APIs as it is.

[ARikozuM]

I doubt it. The engines used in games (including console) don't require changes to be compatible with PC. The back-end, API, is what needs to be changed for compatibility. The developers just need to work on the API integration.

[Cyracus]

besides dx12 has backwards compatibility for dx11 so games can still be programed pretty effectively for dx11 and 12 concurrently, since that's how every game with dx12 gonna be made for the next few years

[Godlygamer23]

2 minutes ago, Cyracus said:

besides dx12 has backwards compatibility for dx11 so games can still be programed pretty effectively for dx11 and 12 concurrently, since that's how every game with dx12 gonna be made for the next few years

Even so, the early Xbox One games use some DX11 version, so for the Playstation 4 to cause devs not to develop for DX12 is nonsensical since the Xbox One can and will also use DX12. 

[GoodBytes]

2 hours ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

So just a thought but will the PlayStation kill dx12 because it can't support it meaning that everything will be released in either 11 or both and we won't full merge to dx12 because of Sony ?!

All console uses their own custom APIs based on OpenGL. The exceptions are:

 -> XBox, XBox 360 and XBox One, which uses DirectX (the latest version that was currently out when the console were released)

 -> Nintendo Switch (rumor: supports full OpenGL and Vulkan)

 

As a result, porting games from PS4 to XBox One cost a lot of money, but PC uses DirectX, so the sale potential is higher as it has 2 markets, even if the XBox One would have fared just as bad as the WiiU.

 

Nintendo Switch uses (assuming the rumors to be true) OpenGL / Vulkan. They are already translators from DirectX to OpenGL which does a decent job, reducing the cost of porting a game on this console a lot. Basically, they can just fine tune the graphics, fix what ever needs to be fixed / optimized after conversion from OpenGL to DirectX for the console, and standard testing and bug fixes. That is assuming of course, that the game was done in DirectX to start with, and not OpenGL.

 

So really, Sony is the one that needs to be afraid of, if its market share of active users drop.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Games are optimized for consoles in such a way that make no sense to use on PCs, regardless of API used.

 

Aside from that, if I'm inclined to believe how things would work out, the engine itself needs to be ported. If there's no port of the engine for the PC or console, you have problems. It's like why Unreal Engine games tend to work well on any system it touches: Epic has ported the engine to practically everything from high end servers to mobile devices.

 

And if you want to add on some extras to make your game have flair, you also run into problems.

[Prysin]

On 09/01/2017 at 0:05 AM, jjohnthedon1 said:

So just a thought but will the PlayStation kill dx12 because it can't support it meaning that everything will be released in either 11 or both and we won't full merge to dx12 because of Sony ?!

The consoles has used even lower level APIs then PC since their origin. If anything, what is holding DX12 back atm is Nvidia. Not through malice, but through pure market share. Nvidia cards are NOT DX12 ready to use Async compute/shading, and until Kepler and Maxwell market shares drop low enough for devs to ignore them, no game will be 100% DX12. They will all be DX11 with the CPU improvements of DX12. AKA basically DX11.3 which is what the XB1 uses...

 

Async compute is nothing new, devs have been using the feature since XB1 and PS4 launched back in 2013/2014...