Is Linus right when he said an i5-6600K is just fine? compared to the i7-6700k

[jmv_vicente]

Hi!

 

Planning to wait to Sky Lake (I hope they'll be available in 2-3 weeks time), but:

Is Linus right when he said an i5-6600K is just fine? compared to the i7-6700k

 

I'm planning to get a 1070 and I fear that some games like Battlefield would require the i7 instead of the i5

 

Some questions: 

- i7 (324€) or i5 (236€)

- should I get the Asus Z170-A  (155€) or the Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H (58€) will be just fine?

 

Thanks a lot!

Jose

 

[AlwaysFSX]

@Kloaked

[JSD10]

An I5 is just as good as an I7 for games

[stconquest]

7 minutes ago, jmv_vicente said:

Hi!

 

Planning to wait to Sky Lake (I hope they'll be available in 2-3 weeks time), but:

Is Linus right when he said an i5-6600K is just fine? compared to the i7-6700k

 

I'm planning to get a 1070 and I fear that some games like Battlefield would require the i7 instead of the i5

 

Some questions: 

- i7 (324€) or i5 (236€)

- should I get the Asus Z170-A  (155€) or the Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H (58€) will be just fine?

 

Thanks a lot!

Jose

 

A K-Series CPU will require a Z170 motherboard in order to have the option to overclock.  A Z170 board also allows for faster than 2133MHz RAM, this improves CPU performance as well when paired with higher frequency RAM (3000MHZ?).

 

If your budget is around 1300 Euros, an i7 6700K and GTX 1070 is probably the best option.  The 6700K will last a very long time if this PC is mainly for gaming (roughly 7-10 years, 5 years minimum).

[XenosTech]

6 minutes ago, jmv_vicente said:

Hi!

 

Planning to wait to Sky Lake (I hope they'll be available in 2-3 weeks time), but:

Is Linus right when he said an i5-6600K is just fine? compared to the i7-6700k

 

I'm planning to get a 1070 and I fear that some games like Battlefield would require the i7 instead of the i5

 

Some questions: 

- i7 (324€) or i5 (236€)

- should I get the Asus Z170-A  (155€) or the Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H (58€) will be just fine?

 

Thanks a lot!

Jose

 

6600k is not really worth the price and you'd be better off buying an 6700k instead but you'll get by just fine with a 6500 playing bf1 (I play it a 1080p ultra with no lag or dropped frames with a rx 470)

[ImperialSteele]

For what use? Btw those are Sky Lake, you may mean Cannon Lake.

[ARikozuM]

Unless the games you're going to play will benefit from hyper-threading, you'll be fine with the i5. BF1 has almost no issue hitting 90hz with a 6600K.

 

Note: People commonly confuse a game doing better with the higher speed of an i7 and attribute it to the hyper-threading.

[The Sloth]

if you live near a microcenter get a 5820k 

[ARikozuM]

19 minutes ago, jmv_vicente said:

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Just wanted to add that you should buy the best CPU that you can afford without skimping on another component.

If you can buy the 6700K and 1070, go for it if you'll be playing high refresh rate over 100hz.

If you'll be playing on a 100hz or lower monitor, go with the 6600K.

[jmv_vicente]

14 hours ago, stconquest said:

If your budget is around 1300 Euros

My budget is around 2000€ (including monitor), this is what I have in mind, but not so sure yet, what do you think?

 

Intel i7-6700K 4.0Ghz                                                                               339 € 
Asus Z170-A                                                                                             155 € 
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 PC4-17000 16GB 2x8GB CL13      124 € 
Cooler Master Hyper 212X                                                                        30 € 
Samsung 850 Evo SSD Series 500GB SATA3                                          152 € 
Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 3TB SATA3 64MB                                        87 € 
Phanteks Eclipse P400S Negra Con Ventana                                           80 € 
Tacens Mars Gaming Vulcano 750W 80 Plus Silver Modular Rojo            61 € 
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 WindForce OC 8GB GDDR5                      459 € 
AOC G2460PF 24" LED 144Hz                                                                 255 € 
TP-Link Archer T6E Adaptador PCI Express Dual Band AC1300             39 € 
Windows 10                                                                                               95 € 
Building the PC                                                                                          45 € 
Installing windows and drivers                                                                   30 € 
                                                                                                                  1.951 € 

14 hours ago, ImperialSteele said:

For what use? Btw those are Sky Lake, you may mean Cannon Lake.

Sorry, I meant Kaby Lake. Heavy browsing, light video editing, loads of consuming media and gaming battlefield, forza, black ops III...

[DELTAprime]

I find that my 6600k is fine for most games, but there is the occasional edge case that requires a little more power for maximum FPS. If you're like me and chasing absolute max FPS get a 6700k, but if you can deal with a very slightly lower in FPS then get a 6600k.

 

But better yet, wait till the 4th of January when the embargo ends on Kaby Lake and see what kind of overclocks reviewers are getting on Z270 boards and the 7600k and 7700k.

[jmv_vicente]

14 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Just wanted to add that you should buy the best CPU that you can afford without skimping on another component.

If you can buy the 6700K and 1070, go for it if you'll be playing high refresh rate over 100hz.

If you'll be playing on a 100hz or lower monitor, go with the 6600K.

 

Well, the thing is that Im not sure how to split my budget, this is my idea (2000€ including monitor), what do you think?

should i get the i5 and get a better monitor?

 

Intel i7-6700K 4.0Ghz                                                                               339 € 
Asus Z170-A                                                                                             155 € 
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 PC4-17000 16GB 2x8GB CL13      124 € 
Cooler Master Hyper 212X                                                                        30 € 
Samsung 850 Evo SSD Series 500GB SATA3                                          152 € 
Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 3TB SATA3 64MB                                        87 € 
Phanteks Eclipse P400S Negra Con Ventana                                           80 € 
Tacens Mars Gaming Vulcano 750W 80 Plus Silver Modular Rojo            61 € 
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 WindForce OC 8GB GDDR5                      459 € 
AOC G2460PF 24" LED 144Hz                                                                 255 € 
TP-Link Archer T6E Adaptador PCI Express Dual Band AC1300             39 € 
Windows 10                                                                                               95 € 
Building the PC                                                                                          45 € 
Installing windows and drivers                                                                   30 € 
                                                                                                                  1.951 € 

13 hours ago, DELTAprime said:

I find that my 6600k is fine for most games, but there is the occasional edge case that requires a little more power for maximum FPS. If you're like me and chasing absolute max FPS get a 6700k, but if you can deal with a very slightly lower in FPS then get a 6600k.

 

But better yet, wait till the 4th of January when the embargo ends on Kaby Lake and see what kind of overclocks reviewers are getting on Z270 boards and the 7600k and 7700k.

 

Couple of questions: 

 

- If i install a kaby lake processor, the mother board will it have to be upgrade to a z270 instead of the z170 im planning? will it have the same 155€ price point?

- Do I have to do anything to do the overclock? or the K processor is already done whatever is due?

- How long will i have to wait till the shops have the kaby lake and new mother boards?

[DELTAprime]

3 minutes ago, jmv_vicente said:

Couple of questions: 

 

- If i install a kaby lake processor, the mother board will it have to be upgrade to a z270 instead of the z170 im planning? will it have the same 155€ price point?

- Do I have to do anything to do the overclock? or the K processor is already done whatever is due?

- How long will i have to wait till the shops have the kaby lake and new mother boards?

- Kaby Lake CPU's run on Z170 boards with a bios update, but you need to have a Skylake CPU to upgrade the bios to accept Kaby Lake. They will be a little more expensive at first cause they will be at MSRP, but will come down.

-You set it in the bios, Linus has a video somewhere on how to overclock a k CPU.

-Often Intel releases product the same day the reviews go live and we know the embargo is the 4th of January for the reviews.

[ARikozuM]

7 minutes ago, jmv_vicente said:

Well, the thing is that Im not sure how to split my budget, this is my idea (2000€ including monitor), what do you think?

should i get the i5 and get a better monitor?

 

Intel i7-6700K 4.0Ghz                                                                               339 € 
Asus Z170-A                                                                                             155 € 
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 PC4-17000 16GB 2x8GB CL13      124 € 
Cooler Master Hyper 212X                                                                        30 € 
Samsung 850 Evo SSD Series 500GB SATA3                                          152 € 
Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 3TB SATA3 64MB                                        87 € 
Phanteks Eclipse P400S Negra Con Ventana                                           80 € 
Tacens Mars Gaming Vulcano 750W 80 Plus Silver Modular Rojo            61 € 
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 WindForce OC 8GB GDDR5                      459 € 
AOC G2460PF 24" LED 144Hz                                                                 255 € 
TP-Link Archer T6E Adaptador PCI Express Dual Band AC1300             39 € 
Windows 10                                                                                               95 € 
Building the PC                                                                                          45 € 
Installing windows and drivers                                                                   30 € 
                                                                                                                  1.951 € 

Using PC part-picker would be better to check for incompatibilities. It looks good though.

[jmv_vicente]

13 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Using PC part-picker would be better to check for incompatibilities. It looks good though.

I've found that partpicker misses the price of a lot of components, so I can't calculate the final cost, do you have the same issue? For instance, the 850 evo 500gb has not price whereas in Amazon i can find it. 

 

If it were for you, would you do any changes? ram, monitor, cooler...?

13 hours ago, DELTAprime said:

- Kaby Lake CPU's run on Z170 boards with a bios update, but you need to have a Skylake CPU to upgrade the bios to accept Kaby Lake. They will be a little more expensive at first cause they will be at MSRP, but will come down.

-You set it in the bios, Linus has a video somewhere on how to overclock a k CPU.

-Often Intel releases product the same day the reviews go live and we know the embargo is the 4th of January for the reviews.

 

Thanks a lot!

- I'm really anxious to get my pc asap, how long will it take to get the prices at the same levels they're now?

- should i just get the "old stuff" as soon as the new gets there and benefit for the cut in price?

- would you use that extra cash to get a better monitor?

[DELTAprime]

 

Here's Linus's guide to overclocking a Skylake CPU, it will be the same for Kaby Lake. It's rather easy to do, just takes a little time to do.

[ARikozuM]

3 minutes ago, jmv_vicente said:

I've found that partpicker misses the price of a lot of components, so I can't calculate the final cost, do you have the same issue? For instance, the 850 evo 500gb has not price whereas in Amazon i can find it. 

 

If it were for you, would you do any changes? ram, monitor, cooler...?

PC Partpicker is an aggregate for the official retailers. You won't find an Amazon seller's price for the most part, but you can always change the price displayed by clicking the cog/gear icon next to buy.

 

I would buy an EVGA G2 550W or similar. The PSU Whitelist (in my sig) and the Tier List are good places for the information and grading.

[DELTAprime]

3 minutes ago, jmv_vicente said:

 

Thanks a lot!

- I'm really anxious to get my pc asap, how long will it take to get the prices at the same levels they're now?

- should i just get the "old stuff" as soon as the new gets there and benefit for the cut in price?

- would you use that extra cash to get a better monitor?

 

I'm not an expert on pricing sorry. As for the monitor I'd not spend a ton on a monitor now, CES is in the first week of January and there might be better monitors announced there for sale later in the year.

[jmv_vicente]

3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

PC Partpicker is an aggregate for the official retailers. You won't find an Amazon seller's price for the most part, but you can always change the price displayed by clicking the cog/gear icon next to buy.

 

I would buy an EVGA G2 550W or similar. The PSU Whitelist (in my sig) and the Tier List are good places for the information and grading.

 

The EVGA is 550W whereas the one Tacens i planned to get was 750W, would the EVGA be good enough? especially costing 99€ instead of 69€.

[stconquest]

4 minutes ago, jmv_vicente said:

The EVGA is 550W whereas the one Tacens i planned to get was 750W, would the EVGA be good enough? especially costing 99€ instead of 69€.

A Seasonic M12II 520W, fully modular... how much is that for you?  http://pcpartpicker.com/product/TgW9TW/seasonic-power-supply-m12ii520bronze

 

A good 500W PSU fine. 

 

I would try to see if faster RAM is available for the same cost... the price between 2133MHz and 3000MHz+ is usually like $10.

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, jmv_vicente said:

The EVGA is 550W whereas the one Tacens i planned to get was 750W, would the EVGA be good enough? especially costing 99€ instead of 69€.

For a single GPU, 550W is good enough wattage with room to overclock heavily, but the quality of the PSU is very important. There are stories of people losing components due to low quality no-name PSU's.

[jmv_vicente]

5 minutes ago, stconquest said:

A Seasonic M12II 520W, fully modular... how much is that for you?  http://pcpartpicker.com/product/TgW9TW/seasonic-power-supply-m12ii520bronze

 

A good 500W PSU fine. 

 

I would try to see if faster RAM is available for the same cost... the price between 2133MHz and 3000MHz+ is usually like $10.

 

 

Cant find it on the web I'd buy it brand new

Would the EVGA be fine then?

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 PC-24000 16GB 2x8GB CL15  for 128€ would be great, then? any other choice?

[stconquest]

9 minutes ago, jmv_vicente said:

Cant find it on the web I'd buy it brand new

Would the EVGA be fine then?

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 PC-24000 16GB 2x8GB CL15  for 128€ would be great, then? any other choice?

EVGA B2, GQ, G2, GS, P2, PS models.  They have a new one too, G3 or something.

 

GSkill is better RAM, but Corsair is good.

 

@jmv_vicente  Hey, why aren't you building it yourself?  PC parts on not that fragile.  You can easily do it.  It is a learning experience.  The same thing goes with setting up the operating system.

 

This is your PC and the more you understand it the better.  Are you going to be with the person building it when he/she builds it?

[jmv_vicente]

8 hours ago, stconquest said:

EVGA B2, GQ, G2, GS, P2, PS models.  They have a new one too, G3 or something.

 

GSkill is better RAM, but Corsair is good.

 

@jmv_vicente  Hey, why aren't you building it yourself?  PC parts on not that fragile.  You can easily do it.  It is a learning experience.  The same thing goes with setting up the operating system.

 

This is your PC and the more you understand it the better.  Are you going to be with the person building it when he/she builds it?

 

To be honest, I was gonna buy a Dell XPS 8910 till a friend of mine recommended me to build it by parts. 

 

I'm really struggling to decide which parts should be in it, and watched some videos of people building one and it takes them a lot of time. 

 

Im really grateful that a web allows me to choose all the parts and send it to me already built, I actually could install Windows but Ill fell much better if at least this very first time is all done and sent to my house, in the end, it's just 70€. 

 

Do you really think that it'll be easy for non experts hands?

[AkatsukiKun]

To be honest, I don't know your current list at the moment, I'm just going to refer to the original one. I would recommend since you're staying at 2000 euros or below, I would spend a bit more on the cooler as a hyper 212X will get you the distance, not quite as far if you were to spend it on a better cooler like these:

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cryorig-H5-Universal-processor-cooler/dp/B00MBTOY2S/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1482678762&sr=1-2&keywords=cryorig

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Quiet-BK018-Dark-Cooler/dp/B00HPX7IKU/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1482678762&sr=1-7&keywords=cryorig

or this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Fans-Cooling/Quiet-BK019-Dark-Rock-Pro3-Heatsink/B00HPX7J4K/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1482678873&sr=1-2&keywords=dark+rock