Overheating issue in a "silent" rig

[Zollblade]

I bought this pc on a budget with the goal of having a near silent pc that can run all the latest games while still remaining quiet enough for music production purposes. originally everything was fine with my first gcard (msi R9270) temps were high while gaming but not too high and it wasn't too loud. eventually my graphics card died due to a power supply issue and i was given a R9290 as a replacement model however this new card is way too hot, it runs at about 95c when gaming and starts to throttle after about 3 mins of gameplay and the fan speed and level is crazy it runs at 80-100% while gaming at a max of 2000rpm  this is also creating very hot ambient temps inside my case and as a result heats up my cpu and ramps up the fan speed making it very loud. Is this normal for this card? Airflow in my case is decent with some seriously good fans but it doesnt seem like enough. The aircooler i am using is very good when it doesn't have the extra heat from the gpu and i dont really have anywhere to put an AIO watercooler in this case currently.

 

I have two options right now

a) Sell the graphics card for either an older cooler model or an nvidia equivalent with hopefully better cooling. 
 

b) Upgrade my case to the silencio 652 which has space for more fans, fan controller and water cooling compatibility if needed.

 

putting in more fans just seems counter productive. It may seem like a silly question but would more fans cause my pc to get louder or would it cool it down to a level where the fans wont need to run as hard to cool the rig?
Also how much would an AIO cooling block help this situation both in terms of heat and noise?
I seem to get these problems even when the side panel is off, making me think a new case wouldn't help much?

Any suggestions would help if what direction to go with this rig.
My main goal is to have a quiet gaming pc,

 

Temperatures
Without graphics card
CPU idle at 28-30c

CPU Load - 50c
With graphics card

CPU idle 43c

CPU load - 55-60c 

GPU Idle -61c

GPU load 90-95c

 

My Rig

MSI Trin Frozr IV R9290

X2 4GBs Vengeance DDR3-1400 RAM

Arctic i30 Cooler with Corsair sp120 quiet edition attached

Asrock z87 pro4 Motherboard

X3 Seagate SATA Drives 

CoolerMaster 550 Silencio Case

1x Jetflo 120 fan

2x 120mm intake fans - silencio 120fp - 800-1400rpm - coolmaster standard fan 800rpm

Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHZ GPU

EVGA 750 G2 PSU

Case has 2x120mm intake fans and 1x120mm exhaust with no room for additional fans on case

[Zollblade]

I think one of the main problems is the actual layout of my mobo. it has the gcard sitting right up against the heatsink of my aircooler.. again, would AIO cooling help with this mobo layout issue?

[DanielMiddletown]

You can`t move the GPU in a lower slot?

EDIT: I`ve also heard that those card don`t meet the advertised temps, but go near 90C.

[Froody129]

The 290 is a super hot card that puts out loads of heat. The resale isn't so great since there are lots on the market. You can try watercooling your GPU with AIO but that's expensive. Otherwise your options are to change either to a cooler GPU or a case with better airflow, since that's definitely the problem

[Pixel5]

if the card is already overheating with an open case there is most likely something wrong with the cooler.

[Joe_MacDougall]

Try and run the R9 290 in as open of an environment as you can and compare the results.

 

If the temps are similar, the GPU's cooler isn't working effectively. If the temps are very different, your airflow isn't effectively cooling the card.

[Zollblade]

8 minutes ago, Pixel5 said:

if the card is already overheating with an open case there is most likely something wrong with the cooler.

You think it could be due to a faulty gpu cooler?  what can i do about this? i cant sell it if its faulty and  doubt they will accept another rma for this card. my previous psu killed about 4 of my old cards so i dont think they would be interested in an rma

[Zollblade]

4 minutes ago, Joe_MacDougall said:

Try and run the R9 290 in as open of an environment as you can and compare the results.

 

If the temps are similar, the GPU's cooler isn't working effectively. If the temps are very different, your airflow isn't effectively cooling the card.

ok im running a quick test

[Joe_MacDougall]

1 minute ago, Zollblade said:

ok im running a quick test

The R9 290 is one of the most notoriously hot and loud cards on the market.

[TheNuzziNuzz]

I would suggest looking for a different card to achieve your goal for the build.

[Zollblade]

Just ran a test and there doesnt seem to be any noticeable difference whether i have the side panel on or off. I have been told these R9290 cards just run really hot. maybe i should just flog it for something older? seems like the most pain free solution. 

[TheNuzziNuzz]

6 minutes ago, Zollblade said:

Just ran a test and there doesnt seem to be any noticeable difference whether i have the side panel on or off. I have been told these R9290 cards just run really hot. maybe i should just flog it for something older? seems like the most pain free solution. 

 

All of the newer cards run colder. My only experience with a newer card is a 1070, which up full load still audibly silent. In feeling the heat output, it was not warm. When not under heavy load, or while playing less intense games, the fans did not move. It is a 1070 Zotac Amp Extreme. That specif model has a really good cooler for overclocking, but if you don't overclock it than it just runs cooler.

[Zollblade]

47 minutes ago, DanielMiddletown said:

You can`t move the GPU in a lower slot?

EDIT: I`ve also heard that those card don`t meet the advertised temps, but go near 90C.

Yeah this mobo only has one pci express 3.0 slot the others are just regular pci express slots.

[Zollblade]

Does any know any websites where i can compare noise and heat levels in gcards? or maybe some recommended gcards you think would fit this build? thanks for all the help

Edit: dont really want to sacrifice of graphics power too much please

[TheNuzziNuzz]

2 minutes ago, Zollblade said:

Does any know any websites where i can compare noise and heat levels in gcards? or maybe some recommended gcards you think would fit this build? thanks for all the help

Edit: dont really want to sacrifice of graphics power too much please

 

 

17 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

All of the newer cards run colder. My only experience with a newer card is a 1070, which up full load still audibly silent. In feeling the heat output, it was not warm. When not under heavy load, or while playing less intense games, the fans did not move. It is a 1070 Zotac Amp Extreme. That specif model has a really good cooler for overclocking, but if you don't overclock it than it just runs cooler.

 

 

[Zollblade]

17 minutes ago, TheNuzziNuzz said:

All of the newer cards run colder. My only experience with a newer card is a 1070, which up full load still audibly silent. In feeling the heat output, it was not warm. When not under heavy load, or while playing less intense games, the fans did not move. It is a 1070 Zotac Amp Extreme. That specif model has a really good cooler for overclocking, but if you don't overclock it than it just runs cooler.

Yeah it seems like the new cards are much cooler. think i got unlucky with this particular model. just a hot card i guess. we dont have zotac in our country do you think any other aftermarket 1070 or 970 would do the trick? what kind of temps did you get? idle vs load...

[TheNuzziNuzz]

1 minute ago, Zollblade said:

Yeah it seems like the new cards are much cooler. think i got unlucky with this particular model. just a hot card i guess. we dont have zotac in our country do you think any other aftermarket 1070 or 970 would do the trick? what kind of temps did you get? idle vs load...

 

I only have experience with that card, so i suggest creating another thread/topic on "Quitest/Coolest GPU". I don't have specific temps as it isn't my computer.

[corrado33]

4 hours ago, Zollblade said:

Yeah this mobo only has one pci express 3.0 slot the others are just regular pci express slots.

 

 

Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense to have two different PCI-e versions on the same board. Are you sure you're not confusing it with simple numbering. PCI-E #1, PCI-E #2, PCI-E #3? 

 

Besides, the GPU doesn't even come close to using the full bandwidth of PCIe 3.0. Try one of the other slots. I bet you won't see any performance drop.

[Zollblade]

1 minute ago, corrado33 said:

 

 

Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense to have two different PCI-e versions on the same board. Are you sure you're not confusing it with simple numbering. PCI-E #1, PCI-E #2, PCI-E #3? 

 

Besides, the GPU doesn't even come close to using the full bandwidth of PCIe 3.0. Try one of the other slots. I bet you won't see any performance drop.

not sure hey this is what it ways in the manual

 

- 1 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 slot (PCIE1: x16 mode) - 1 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot (PCIE3: x4 mode) - 2 x PCI Express 2.0 x1 slots - 2 x PCI slots

[DanielMiddletown]

PCIe 2.0 x4 or x16 should be enough to run your gpu. 

 

Edit: second slot can also run PCIe 3 4x which is more that enough.

[Zollblade]

4 minutes ago, DanielMiddletown said:

PCIe 2.0 x4 or x16 should be enough to run your gpu. 

Cool thanks ill give that a try

[Zollblade]

13 minutes ago, DanielMiddletown said:

PCIe 2.0 x4 or x16 should be enough to run your gpu. 

 

Edit: second slot can also run PCIe 3 4x which is more that enough.

, didnt know you could put a pci-e v3 card in pci v2. good to know  you sure it wont affect the performance? surly it would have some sort of negative effect?

[DanielMiddletown]

Here is some light reading about PCI

http://www.trentonsystems.com/applications/pci-express-interface/