Man names Wi-Fi network “Daesh 21,” prosecuted under French anti-terror law

[Deli]

1 minute ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Take an old phone. Activate portable Hotspot with some terrorist reference. Stick the phone in someone's luggage. Watch the person get tackled. 

You have an evil mind. I hope I won't be "that" unluck person.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

2 hours ago, zMeul said:

two things are infinite:

1. the universe
2. human stupidity

he paid for it

It's a tight competition between the stupidity of the name, and the stupidity of prosecuting him. And given how many SSID joke names are out there, I think the latter is winning. The whole story is about wasted law enforcement resources. Next time an attack takes place, don't be surprised if they tell you "sorry, we were too busy prosecuting SSIDs".

 

2 hours ago, TetraSky said:

"it was just a joke!"
Sorry but that defense doesn't work, he should've known better than to use a name like that. That's like people making fake terrorist threat to airports "just a joke!". But law enforcement can't just ignore a possible threat, because if they did ignore them, one day it will be real and no one will react to prevent it.

Wasting everybody's time on a fake threat is not just a "joke", it's criminal. In his case, even if it was just his wifi's name, it can still be seen as a threat/allegiance to the terrorist group. He should consider himself lucky to have only gotten 3 months.

I'm trying hard to see SSID name=bomb threat. No success so far. To begin with, home networks are meant to be internal to your house, even if the nature of wireless communications makes you EM spam everyone around you. Hence, it could be argued the name was only meant for internal consumption. A public bomb threat, even if fake, is, well, public. You purposely send a threatening message to others, and is comparable to using toy guns for robbing.

At best, the SSID name could just lead to some preliminary inquiries about the owner. It's not like a terrorist cell will hang a "terrorist cell" sign under its door bell, but well, I guess you have to check anyway. But a sentence for "directly provoke acts of terrorism or to publicly praise one such act"? I'm still waiting for any evidence that he provoked o publicly praised any terrorist act...

 

I wonder whether the person using "FBI_surveillance_van" will be prosecuting for police impersonation... 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

22 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Or how about...

*boards flight to the middle east* (or anywhere effective, also may bring other friends)

*opens laptop*

*connects to wifi* (or sets up wireless LAN with friends on same flight)

*connects to a CS:GO match*

*cranks laptop speakers up*

.....

Or how about....

*board a flight

*work on some math

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/05/07/ivy-league-economist-interrogated-for-doing-math-on-american-airlines-flight/

[zMeul]

5 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

t's a tight competition between the stupidity of the name, and the stupidity of prosecuting him.

I'm quite confused on what part of martial law you don't understand

if you look funny, they can prosecute you for looking funny

under martial law, your civil liberties can be invalidated at any moment

 

joke? joke's on "you"

[iamdarkyoshi]

2 hours ago, deXxterlab97 said:

 

 

 

Reported for using

 

COMIC MOTHERFUCKING SANS

[Arc_Jester]

Lol, what an idiot.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

I'm quite confused on what part of martial law you don't understand

if you look funny, they can prosecute you for looking funny

under martial law, your civil liberties can be invalidated at any moment

 

joke? joke's on "you"

You don't live in France, do you.

Btw, you are confusing France "state of emergency" law, which does indeed enable some scary, but specific, police state practices, with "martial law", which no, it's not what France has.

[BingoFishy]

 

8 hours ago, deXxterlab97 said:

 

 

That font is horrible.

[AshleyAshes]

2 hours ago, stconquest said:

Not my problem.  CSIS will find you.

Actually, CSIS only operates externally and does not engage in domestic investigations.  For a threat made from within Canada, the responsible agency would be the RCMP, specifically their National Security Criminal Investigations Program.

[zMeul]

31 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

You don't live in France, do you.

Btw, you are confusing France "state of emergency" law, which does indeed enable some scary, but specific, police state practices, with "martial law", which no, it's not what France has.

from state of emergency to martial law there is but one step

from a legislative pov, there's no difference as the executive branch has "special powers"

 

France is "under siege" État de siège (Article 36), declared in Novemener 2015 - and what that means is military can take police powers (including prosecution by a military tribunal), civil liberties can be restricted, they can expel anyone for any reason (if you jaywalk they can expel you from the country)

[Misanthrope]

Extreme overreaction from the French . This tends to happen when your German neighbors keep saying "Give us All of the Muslims with no background checks or oversight" and your citizens demand not to be gunned down or run the fuck over by a truck. 

[Sauron]

I think this should not be punished, but I also think this guy is an idiot. Let's hope he learns his lesson at least.

49 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Added that for you. 

"the bomb has been planted!"

[Energycore]

Even if what he did isn't harmful, 3 months isn't much time and hopefully the guy will have learned the lesson not to be reckless with sensitive stuff like that.

 

Prisons in France should hopefully not be complete shitholes?

[Guest Darth Revan]

So what's the fucking problem?

He didn't hurt anyone and nothing bad happened. What the fuck is their problem?

I swear the laws in this world are just idiotic. Written by morons.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

8 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Even if what he did isn't harmful, 3 months isn't much time and hopefully the guy will have learned the lesson not to be reckless with sensitive stuff like that.

 

Prisons in France should hopefully not be complete shitholes?

I don't think he will spend any time in jail. Short sentences with no prior convictions are held in suspension, only to be made effective if found guilty of an additional offense within some time window.

[Prysin]

lol, facism takes many faces, i guess this is yet another one

[Energycore]

Just now, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I don't think he will spend any time in jail. Short sentences with no prior convictions are held in suspension, only to be made effective if found guilty of an additional offense within some time window.

I see. I still think at the very least, that was a show of zero tact.

[Master Disaster]

3 hours ago, zMeul said:

two things are infinite:

1. the universe
2. human stupidity

he paid for it

Numbers?

 

On topic, it was obviously just a joke but given the current climate in France surrounding terrorists he deserves his punishment.

[Energycore]

3 minutes ago, Darth Revan said:

So what's the fucking problem?

He didn't hurt anyone and nothing bad happened. What the fuck is their problem?

I swear the laws in this world are just idiotic. Written by morons.

Picture this.

 

You live in France and a relative of yours died during one of those attacks that happened this year. You're scooting through the wifi and find that one of the SSIDs is called the same as the Islamic state. At the very least, you would become scared shitless at that moment, even if later on you rationalized and said wait, that's probably just a moron who wanted to be funny.

 

Want it or not, at that point the damage is done.

 

It may be no criminal act, but the notion that he "did nothing wrong" is questionable.

[Guest Darth Revan]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

Picture this.

 

You live in France and a relative of yours died during one of those attacks that happened this year. You're scooting through the wifi and find that one of the SSIDs is called the same as the Islamic state. At the very least, you would become scared shitless at that moment, even if later on you rationalized and said wait, that's probably just a moron who wanted to be funny.

 

Want it or not, at that point the damage is done.

 

It may be no criminal act, but the notion that he "did nothing wrong" is questionable.

So what now? Just because something bad is related to a word, we shouldn't use that word ever again?

 

[Energycore]

Just now, Darth Revan said:

So what now? Just because something bad is related to a word, we shouldn't use that word ever again?

 

You shouldn't broadcast that word to the public as a joke. Don't put words in my mouth.

[Guest Darth Revan]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

You shouldn't broadcast that word to the public as a joke. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not putting words in your mouth at all. I'm just point out the stupidity of this entire situation.

[Energycore]

Just now, Darth Revan said:

I'm not putting words in your mouth at all. I'm just point out the stupidity of this entire situation.

You don't think someone should be punished for broadcasting the name of an organization that has cause all kinds of harm to the public, and I disagree.

 

That's all there is to it.

[Jovidah]

4 hours ago, zMeul said:

two things are infinite:

1. the universe
2. human stupidity

he paid for it

I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure the current consensus is that the universe actually is finite. 

Darn big and expanding, but still finite.

 

On the actual topic itself. What a load of crap. In cases like these you at most go over as police and have a chat about what a poor joke it is. This shouldn't even hit the prosecutor's office.

From a counter-terrorism perspective you're really just shooting yourself in the foot here, as shit like this undermines acceptance of existing measures and only makes you look you're running some kind of totalitarian mind-police. That's exactly the kind of impression that only reinforces radicalization.

[Jovidah]

1 hour ago, zMeul said:

I'm quite confused on what part of martial law you don't understand

if you look funny, they can prosecute you for looking funny

under martial law, your civil liberties can be invalidated at any moment

 

joke? joke's on "you"

The fact that you can do these things doesn't mean you should. 

Yes you can suspend a lot of civil liberties and essentially go to town on your own populations, all completely within legality. Doesn't mean you should... especially when considering the preventive aspects of counter-terrorism.

The current problem they're having is a result of making exactly this mistake.