Liberal vs. Conservative

[GeekyPete]

Hey DutchTexan, I don't want to cause a flame war because it's literally over in <a week, but do you have pictures of that of him with prominent activist leaders of the Asian Indian community, Muslim community, LGBT community, Hispanic community, or American Indian community?  I don't love Hillary, but I don't think getting support from the KKK is a good sign and I want a President that doesn't like so much of the US population.  

[stconquest]

I am done.  Too much emotion for me to handle.

 

[DutchTexan]

1 minute ago, GeekyPete said:

Hey DutchTexan, I don't want to cause a flame war because it's literally over in <a week, but do you have pictures of that of him with prominent activist leaders of the Asian Indian community, Muslim community, LGBT community, Hispanic community, or American Indian community?  I don't love Hillary, but I don't think getting support from the KKK is a good sign and I want a President that doesn't like so much of the US population.  

Okay, the key feature of that picture is that he is not a politician. I would not doubt she went out of her ways to get those pictures. Donald has the picture, becasue it was an award he won. Very different.

 

So, then what do you have to say about Hillary being proud of being a Goldwater girl? What do you have to say about her actual connections with the KKK instead of repeating what the media has falsely pushed onto you? 

 

[Speedyv]

3 minutes ago, GeekyPete said:

Hey DutchTexan, I don't want to cause a flame war because it's literally over in <a week, but do you have pictures of that of him with prominent activist leaders of the Asian Indian community, Muslim community, LGBT community, Hispanic community, or American Indian community?  I don't love Hillary, but I don't think getting support from the KKK is a good sign and I want a President that doesn't like so much of the US population.  

I don't mind a Trump presidency (for four years at least even though I hate some of his policy) I can't stand the idea of empowering some of his supporters though....

[Atmos]

4 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

That's a better Trump campaign slogan than "Make America great again."

 

Wait, shit, really?

<googles>

Holy fuck, you do. Jesus Christ. America, your country is seriously flawed.

Yup, you can thank the left for spawning the monstrosity that we are seeing now in america.

From racial discrimination in hiring, to segregated dorms for minorities; My country is going through a revival of racism, and its all thanks to the SJW and radical left leaning illiberals.

[DutchTexan]

2 minutes ago, stconquest said:

I am done.  Too much emotion for me to handle.

 

shock

 

Just genuinely ask yourself this one thing: Have you been paying close attention to the election? OR have you been paying close attention to the media? Genuinely think about that for a moment.

 

I like you. I don't know if you remember, but you're a big part of the reason I built my very first computer. You helped me a lot. 

 

 

[DutchTexan]

1 minute ago, Atmos said:

Yup, you can thank the left for spawning the monstrosity that we are seeing now in america.

From racial discrimination in hiring, to segregated dorms for minorities; My country is going through a revival of racism, and its all thanks to the SJW and radical left leaning illiberals.

Yes, liberals want to kill America with what looks like good intention on the surface.

[othertomperson]

17 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

LOL you think Trump is the one that does wrong. Buddy, I can't wait till she gets thrown in jail. Before you know, the media will have to begin reporting on the truth again and you will be so ashamed to have defended her.

There's a word for a leader who jails inconvenient political opponents. Trump has already promised to lean on the justice system if elected. You should be very worried about the implications of him getting near power.

[DutchTexan]

Just now, othertomperson said:

There's a word for a leader who jails inconvenient political opponents. Trump has already promised to lean on the justice system if elected. You should be very worried about the implications of him getting near power.

Just like how Gore took his election loss to supreme court? Just like how a special prosecutor was used to impeach Nixon? Your ignorance is what worries me, kiddo

[Speedyv]

4 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

shock

 

Just genuinely ask yourself this one thing: Have you been paying close attention to the election? OR have you been paying close attention to the media? Genuinely think about that for a moment.

 

I like you. I don't know if you remember, but you're a big part of the reason I built my very first computer. You helped me a lot. 

 

 

Everyone gets their information from media. You clearly get your information from right wing media (Breitbart and whatever alt-right media there is that paints Trump as the savior and Hillary as the devil).  

[Atmos]

5 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

Yes, liberals want to kill America with what looks like good intention on the surface.

Very important distinguished to make.

It's not all "liberals". The smart ones are still well within sanity. It's the damn illiberal sjw crowd that have taken the media spotlight and are forcing us down this awful path.

 

Real liberals don't give up personal rights for the good of the whole, the people in media calling themselves "liberals" are far more in line with marxists than anything else. Hence, why we are calling these phonies, "illiberals."

 

And oh, they're not afraid to show that their marxists and socialists too. Many of them proudly tote that fact, but continue calling themselves liberal; something that is entirely impossible. You cannot be both, they fundamentally are opposites to each other.

[othertomperson]

7 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

Just like how Gore took his election loss to supreme court? Just like how a special prosecutor was used to impeach Nixon? Your ignorance is what worries me, kiddo

I'm flattered that you think I am a bigger threat to American democracy than Trump promising to usurp the legal system, but I think your fears are misplaced. And don't patronisingly call your elders kiddo, child.

 

I am also amused that your two counter-examples are a time when the court sided against Al Gore's claim that the Republicans had cheated in Florida, and Nixon clearly did not control the courts. You call me ignorant but you just said Nixon was impeached when actually he resigned before that could happen.

[DutchTexan]

1 minute ago, Speedyv said:

Everyone gets their information from media. You clearly get your information from right wing media (Breitbart and whatever alt-right media there is that paints Trump as the savior and Hillary as the devil).  

Actually, my favorite source is this guy called H. A. Goodman. He covers the 2,000 wikileaks that are released everyday.

 

But you are right, if I have to be honest. Our media has special constitutional privileges to inform the public. However, hose privileges are abused to advocate lies and bias, on both sides. Although, there is one side that is obviously more biased than the other and their approval ratings reflect that.  

[Speedyv]

9 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

Just like how Gore took his election loss to supreme court? Just like how a special prosecutor was used to impeach Nixon? Your ignorance is what worries me, kiddo

Read up on Gore v Bush. It is not even close to claiming that the whole democratic system of this country is rigged (if he loses). And then practically inciting riots and violence in the case of his defeat. 

 

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/supremecourt/future/landmark_bush.html

 

And stop being a patronizing twat. 

[DutchTexan]

2 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

I'm flattered that you think I am a bigger threat to American democracy than Trump promising to usurp the legal system, but I think your fears are misplaced. And don't patronisingly call your elders kiddo, child.

 

I am also amused that your two counter-examples are a time when the court sided against Al Gore's claim that the Republicans had cheated in Florida, and Nixon clearly did not control the courts. You call me ignorant but you just said Nixon was impeached when actually he resigned before that could happen.

Sorry, I assume you are young due to the nature of exposure to the election, therefore your opinion.

 

Okay, but he would have been impeached had he not resigned. That is the point. What Donald has said, in the context of your statement, is not at all unusual or out of the ordinary. Donald stated that he would look for a special prosecution of Hillary's situation, the investigation and her foundation. AKA that means a grand jury. 

 

The Al Gore example was to communicate that contesting elections is okay, and happens often.

 

You paint Donald as this unique threat to democracy, when the factual evidence is literally the exact opposite. Yet, 100% true of Hillary Clinton.

[stconquest]

24 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

shock

 

Just genuinely ask yourself this one thing: Have you been paying close attention to the election? OR have you been paying close attention to the media? Genuinely think about that for a moment.

 

I like you. I don't know if you remember, but you're a big part of the reason I built my very first computer. You helped me a lot. 

 

 

Dude, don't.  I don't give a fuck if you like me, that is not why I am here.

 

I have seen enough reports of DNC emails to make my stomach queasy.  Partly because it displays the political corruption prevalent in the US, partly because it emboldens Trump supporters to believe he is anything but worse.

 

Stop thinking black vs white, or Reps vs Dems.  I use the term bigotry because it is the right term. 

 

If you look at the recent police action in Dakota, this form of bigotry against native american supporters, you realize the police/security are positioned as a superior class.  They can break the law and get away with it.  They fire bullets (rubber and real), use attack dogs, shoot pepper spray, and falsely arrest people. 

 

How were the Bundy's acquitted after attempting to incite violence against the state?  Is everyone allowed to take up arms against the state as they did?  Is everyone allowed to call for a civil war like they did?  Does the USA not have laws against these types of actions?  They do.  Bigots group together and pledge devotion to each other.  There is no way you can look at the videos of those idiots and not see they were calling for a war against the government for political gain.  That is more commonly referred to as:  terrorism.

 

A DAPL employee was caught yesterday, with rifle in hand, trying to infiltrate a protest group.  Provocateurs are not new, they are quite common.  Money interests do all sorts of nefarious things to communities.  Poor communities are easier targets as they have fewer resources to fight back.  If that DAPL employee was not caught by the protesters and fired a few shots on the police there, what do you think would happen next?

 

You are distracted, and you think I am like you. 

[DutchTexan]

1 minute ago, Speedyv said:

Read up on Gore v Bush. It is not even close to claiming that the whole democratic system of this country is rigged (if he loses). And then practically inciting riots and violence in the case of his defeat. 

 

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/supremecourt/future/landmark_bush.html

 

And stop being a patronizing twat. 

my point was that it is possible to contest an election. Throwing away that right would be stupid when voter fraud has and does very much exist. I have witnessed it this election.

[crysilis]

53 minutes ago, Atmos said:

Welcome to the new Generation here in the US bucko, where racism as long as its thought to be for the good of the people being discriminated against, is completely okay with everyone, and infact encouraged!

 

For fucks sake we even now have SEGREGATED SCHOOLS AGAIN. Because apparently black people just can't live in the same dorm with fucking other ethnicities. The fucking left leaning, sjw, illiberals that are pushing for so much social and federal power need to be fucking kicked to the curb. I will not stand for racism in my country.

link to segregated schools plz?

[othertomperson]

1 minute ago, DutchTexan said:

Sorry, I assume you are young due to the nature of exposure to the election, therefore your opinion.

Could I have that in the form of a coherent sentence please?

 

Are you aware that Donald Trump himself has two trials coming up -- one for fraud, and another for allegedly raping a 13 year old? You're so gung-ho on "guilty until proven innocent" for Clinton, it seems odd that you're so quiet that your own candidate's legal difficulties right now.

 

I paint Donald Trump as a thread to democracy because he is. He's a fascist extremist. Why do you think the Republican Party has largely abandoned him?

[Atmos]

3 minutes ago, crysilis said:

link to segregated schools plz?

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/28906/
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/08/civil-rights-leader-says-california-colleges-segregated-dorms-violate-federal-laws/

Two very different pieces on the same subject.

Thanks the fucking left leaning neo-communist illiberal party.

[othertomperson]

1 minute ago, Atmos said:

Thanks the fucking left leaning neo-communist illiberal party.

The USA doesn't have such a thing.

[Atmos]

1 minute ago, othertomperson said:

The USA doesn't have such a thing.

Its called the current left.

Just look into it, no seriously. The SJW pc crowd is almost entirely marxist, and they're gaining frightening amounts of federal power to match the social pressure they're capable of putting on people. Its fucking disgusting.

[othertomperson]

3 minutes ago, Atmos said:

Its called the current left.

Just look into it, no seriously. The SJW pc crowd is almost entirely marxist, and they're gaining frightening amounts of federal power to match the social pressure they're capable of putting on people. Its fucking disgusting.

...they want the proletariat to own and control the means of production and you think that's "fucking disgusting"?

 

Marxism is pretty workable within a capitalist society tbh, all it would take is for workers to also be shareholders in the companies they work for. In other words, these companies would be Co-Operatives.

[DutchTexan]

3 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Dude, don't.  I don't give a fuck if you like me, that is not why I am here.

 

I have seen enough reports of DNC emails to make my stomach queasy.  Partly because it displays the political corruption prevalent in US politics, partly because it emboldens Trump supporters to believe he is anything but worse.

 

Stop thinking black vs white, or Reps vs Dems.  I use the term bigotry because it is the right term. 

 

If you look at the recent police action in Dakota, this form of bigotry against native american supporters, you realize the police/security are positioned as a superior class.  They can break the law and get away with it.  They fire bullets (rubber and real), use attack dogs, shoot pepper spray, and falsely arrest people. 

 

How were the Bundy's acquitted after attempting to incite violence against the state?  Is everyone allowed to take up arms against the state as they did?  Is everyone allowed to call for a civil war like they did?  Does the USA not have laws against these types of actions?  They do.  Bigots group together and pledge devotion to each other.  There is no way you can look at the videos of those idiots and not see they were calling for a war against the government for political gain.  That is more commonly referred to as:  terrorism.

 

A DAPL employee was caught yesterday, with rifle in hand, trying to infiltrate a protest group.  Provocateurs are not new, they are quite common.  Money interests do all sorts of nefarious things to communities.  Poor communities are easier targets as they have fewer resources to fight back.  If that DAPL employee was not caught by the protesters and fired a few shots on the police there, what do you think would happen next?

 

You are distracted, and you think I am like you. 

Hey, thanks for the thought and effort. Alls I have to say is that we do, in fact, have the constitutional authority to overthrow our governemnt. We did not rebel against the strongest military force in the world just becasue we wanted security. America exist for freedom. When that freedom no longer rings, Americans will rise up and fight the tyranny. It is that simple.

 

Justice is not the interest of the stronger. Justice is the excellency of the soul. Many things happening today are just unfortunate and they are due to the fundamental ills of society. I cannot help it. All I can do is better myself as an individual, I can't fix other people. 

 

People vote for Donald, becasue they are paying attention. I know that I know nothing.

[othertomperson]

1 minute ago, DutchTexan said:

Hey, thanks for the thought and effort. Alls I have to say is that we do, in fact, have the constitutional authority to overthrow our governemnt. We did not rebel against the strongest military force in the world just becasue we wanted security. America exist for freedom. When that freedom no longer rings, Americans will rise up and fight the tyranny. It is that simple.

 

Justice is not the interest of the stronger. Justice is the excellency of the soul. Many things happening today are just unfortunate and they are due to the fundamental ills of society. I cannot help it. All I can do is better myself as an individual, I can't fix other people. 

 

People vote for Donald, becasue they are paying attention. I know that I know nothing.

That moment you realise that these people really exist, they aren't just the products of exaggerated satire.