AMD Zen

[Jerome.PC]

Building a pc soon, but is the amd zen worth wairing for?
 

[glitchmaster0001]

its worth the wait since zen is just right around the corner. 

[tlink]

2 minutes ago, Jerome.PC said:

Building a pc soon, but is the amd zen worth wairing for?
 

we don't know exactly if its worth it but hey why the hell not its so close to release you might as well wait.

[AMD Radeon]

Zen will be the most amazing thing since the invention of spaghetti.

 

Just wait...

[Mira Yurizaki]

It will be worth waiting to see what will happen to the x86-64 landscape, but not for "omfg someone who's going to give Intel a run for their money".

 

If you want something now, just build something now.

[ThinkWithPortals]

2 minutes ago, AMD Radeon said:

Zen will be the most amazing thing since the invention of spaghetti.

 

Just wait...

Seems an AMD employee found his way onto the forum

AMDMASTERRACE

[pcshme33]

11 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

Seems an AMD employee found his way onto the forum

AMDMASTERRACE

White Lightning: i5-4690K w/ CRYORIG H5 Ultimate 

[ThinkWithPortals]

2 minutes ago, EnemySp0tt3d said:

White Lightning: i5-4690K w/ CRYORIG H5 Ultimate 

CPUs suck, GPUs dont

[Curious Pineapple]

They may have decided that 64 bit is too old and it's taken so long to get Zen out as it's 128 bit. You never know

[Godlygamer23]

3 hours ago, AMD Radeon said:

Zen will be the most amazing thing since the invention of spaghetti.

 

Just wait...

Just like Bulldozer was supposed to be amazing.

 

Wait, it was really a big letdown. 

[SLAYR]

4 hours ago, Jerome.PC said:

Building a pc soon, but is the amd zen worth wairing for?
 

It is supposed to release maybe middle of next year, and when it will be available to purchase readily maybe a month or two after that, so no it really isn't, unless you can wait possibly up to another year.

 

 

[os2wiz]

One question I have not been able to have solid information with Zen is the design of the Integrated Memory Controller or IMC. What improvements are there, because the Bullddozer-Piledriver IMC was not very good.

[zJordan]

8 minutes ago, os2wiz said:

One question I have not been able to have solid information with Zen is the design of the Integrated Memory Controller or IMC. What improvements are there, because the Bullddozer-Piledriver IMC was not very good.

Yep, I am also interested in this.

 

We don't know enough about Zen yet but we need to know more about chipset, etc.

[MMKing]

4 hours ago, Curious Pineapple said:

They may have decided that 64 bit is too old and it's taken so long to get Zen out as it's 128 bit. You never know

64 bit CPUs can handle about 16 exabytes of memory. Making 128 bit CPUs would be a retarded move, as you would require a larger CPU and the speed increase would be 5% if you're an optimist, doing math. Maybe in 25 years we will hear about some super computer using custom 128 bit CPUs.

 

For the record, the most powerful computer is the Sunway TaihuLight, with about 1.31 exabytes.

[Space Reptile]

7 hours ago, Curious Pineapple said:

They may have decided that 64 bit is too old and it's taken so long to get Zen out as it's 128 bit. You never know

cant wait for 302,231,454,903,657,293,676,544 petabytes of ram

[AMD Radeon]

9 hours ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Just like Bulldozer was supposed to be amazing.

 

Wait, it was really a big letdown. 

Bulldozer =/= Zen

[Space Reptile]

13 minutes ago, AMD Radeon said:

Bulldozer =/= Zen

exactly , AMD made clear they learned from they're mistakes

[Godlygamer23]

2 hours ago, AMD Radeon said:

Bulldozer =/= Zen

Yes, but AMD has made far too many claims in the past that have not come true. I'm staying skeptical, and nothing you say will change that. 

[Godlygamer23]

1 hour ago, Space Reptile said:

exactly , AMD made clear they learned from they're mistakes

Time will tell. 

[it_dont_work]

5 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Yes, but AMD has made far too many claims in the past that have not come true. I'm staying skeptical, and nothing you say will change that. 

I'm on the skeptical side as well, but then again It's not like I trust intel marketing either.

 

I bought into the hype for FX, and ended up waiting a month for a bios update just to use the system without crashing. The lack of any real announcement sounds like at the best they have similar performance to haswell, which is still pretty good. AMD seem to be keeping a tighter lip than in the past, which lead to some wild speculation on the rx series.

15 hours ago, Jerome.PC said:

Building a pc soon, but is the amd zen worth wairing for?
 

My 2c is no it's not worth waiting for if your ready to buy now. Wait till it's release, then it'll be a short wait for the next quarter releases, so on and so forth. Enjoy now if you've the cash since there's always something 'better' over the horizon in hardware land. Given I am currently waiting to see how zen stacks up before I upgrade next, but that's when I'll have the cash to upgrade. I'm hopeful it'll provide good multi threaded performance for my workloads, in a slightly cheaper range than Intel's enthusiast range, but I was also around for the Athlon generation of amd, and they tend to put a price point on comparable performance. TLDR: if you wait for Zen and it's what its hypes to be, you might save 80 bucks compared to intel equivalent. 

[Meddadog]

Simple version... if you are set on AMD, you need to wait, hands down.

 

If intel is OK for you, then buy now if you have the money. There will always be newer and better around the corner, but not usually enough to keep delaying your new upgrade IMO 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

18 hours ago, Jerome.PC said:

Building a pc soon, but is the amd zen worth wairing for?
 

Whether Zen is worth it, we'll know when Zen is out. The question today would be: is the actual information about Zen worth waiting? Then I'd say it depends on your urgencies and the market segment you are targeting.

 

10 minutes ago, Meddadog said:

There will always be newer and better around the corner, but not usually enough to keep delaying your new upgrade IMO 

There's always a new product, yes. But there's rarely a radical change of architecture and the potential for a significant portion of the market to become a duopoly again. What you say it's true for "Skylake or waiting for Kaby Lake", or "Bulldozer or waiting for Piledriver" back in the day. Zen is closer to "Core Duo/Phenom II or waiting for Sandy Bridge/Bulldozer", with the added market structure thing (when Sandy Bridge launched it was still a 2-company market). That's why I argue that people in no rush may have something to gain from waiting for the information this particular time, regardless of which CPU they eventually buy.

[Curious Pineapple]

12 hours ago, MMKing said:

64 bit CPUs can handle about 16 exabytes of memory. Making 128 bit CPUs would be a retarded move, as you would require a larger CPU and the speed increase would be 5% if you're an optimist, doing math. Maybe in 25 years we will hear about some super computer using custom 128 bit CPUs.

 

For the record, the most powerful computer is the Sunway TaihuLight, with about 1.31 exabytes.

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