Is it worth overclocking my i5-6400?

[NeoSk11zle]

So I have my build http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/fPtqRG and I downgraded my 6500 to 6400 so I could overclock it to get more bang for my buck. The only thing now, is it worth it to overclock my 6400, I know there are some trade offs like less 'lifetime' more heat etc., you-know the normal stuff (I don'think I have a good fan setup for overclocking, but I am not prepared to pay for a water cooler). But is there anything bad in overclocking my non-k cpu using the base-clock overclock method. I've dappled around a bit but I want to be fully prepared for the consequences I am going to have in order to get a better deal as the 6400 is way cheaper than the 6500, in my country New Zealand. Thanks. 

[arnavvr]

3 minutes ago, NeoSk11zle said:

So I have my build http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/fPtqRG and I downgraded my 6500 to 6400 so I could overclock it to get more bang for my buck. The only thing now, is it worth it to overclock my 6400, I know there are some trade offs like less 'lifetime' more heat etc., you-know the normal stuff (I don'think I have a good fan setup for overclocking, but I am not prepared to pay for a water cooler). But is there anything bad in overclocking my non-k cpu using the base-clock overclock method. I've dappled around a bit but I want to be fully prepared for the consequences I am going to have in order to get a better deal as the 6400 is way cheaper than the 6500, in my country New Zealand. Thanks. 

 

Just go for it! Monitor your temps and voltages, there is a great guide out there by Paul's Hardware.

[NeoSk11zle]

Just now, arnavvr said:

Just go for it! Monitor your temps and voltages, there is a great guide out there by Paul's Hardware.

See the thing is that this method I have never tried before. Could you link the video on how to do the overclocking non-k cpu vid. Thanks.

[arnavvr]

Just now, NeoSk11zle said:

See the thing is that this method I have never tried before. Could you link the video on how to do the overclocking non-k cpu vid. Thanks.

 

 

[NeoSk11zle]

Just now, arnavvr said:

 

Thanks m8

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, NeoSk11zle said:

See the thing is that this method I have never tried before. Could you link the video on how to do the overclocking non-k cpu vid. Thanks.

I believe you can no longer overclock the no k model i5s. Intel got on that pretty fast when they realize people were doing that.

[NeoSk11zle]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

I believe you can no longer overclock the no k model i5s. Intel got on that pretty fast when they realize people were doing that.

Yeah so I saw the annotation about that on the vid. But I heard Science Studio talk about it being possible. 

[arnavvr]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

I believe you can no longer overclock the no k model i5s. Intel got on that pretty fast when they realize people were doing that.

 

You still can, but it requires BIOS modification now.

[thewipyk]

5 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

Just go for it! Monitor your temps and voltages, there is a great guide out there by Paul's Hardware.

I disagree. Having the CPU overclocked will not benefit you in games more than 1-2 fps. OC-ing CPU is only worth it, when you are doing CPU bound rendering.

[NeoSk11zle]

Just now, arnavvr said:

You still can, but it requires BIOS modification now.

Wait wut. Does my mobo support this. 

[NeoSk11zle]

1 minute ago, thewipyk said:

I disagree. Having the CPU overclocked will not benefit you in games more than 1-2 fps. OC-ing CPU is only worth it, when you are doing CPU bound rendering.

1-2 framesssssssssssssssssssssss! are you serious.?

[thewipyk]

6 minutes ago, NeoSk11zle said:

1-2 framesssssssssssssssssssssss! are you serious.?

On cities skylines you might get 4-5. Mightbe more, depending on the OC, but I highly doubt you can efficiently OC a non-K processor. 

EDIT: In summary, I think you are better off with the 6500. Just look at it: 3.2 vs 2.7. You won't be able to OC your 2.7Ghz 6400 over the 3.2 of the 6500.... Not to mention turbo boost. So buy the 6500.

[zMeul]

18 minutes ago, NeoSk11zle said:

I downgraded my 6500 to 6400 so I could overclock it to get more bang for my buck

really really really bad move

 

you can't overclock non K CPUs anymore

you can if you buy some very specific ASRock Hyper motherboards :

• Fatal1ty H170 Performance/Hyper: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty H170 PerformanceHyper/
• H170 Pro4/Hyper: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H170 Pro4Hyper/
• B150A-X1/Hyper: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B150A-X1Hyper/
• B150M Pro4/Hyper: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B150M Pro4Hyper/

[rn8686]

7 minutes ago, NeoSk11zle said:

1-2 framesssssssssssssssssssssss! are you serious.?

It depends on what game you are playing. If FPS or non-CPU bound games, only about 5 fps improvement at best. If playing open world games, 10+ fps is possible. But I still wouldn't recommend overclocking a locked CPU. 

Overclocking locked Intel CPUs also results in:

 

1. You lose your iGPU.

2. You lose your CPU core thermal sensors.

3. L1 cache speed is reduced by 75%.

4. You lose C-states.

5. AVX instruction set gets disabled.

[NeoSk11zle]

This is getting really scary now. I am going to proceed to kill my self

[Universal_Cereal_Bus]

I just realized that you're in NZ and those prices are pricey... I'll let you know if I find anything. But the i5-6500 upgrade cost from i5-6400 is not that much more different than in the US.

 

What I would add is that if you are making this for gaming only, you might want to consider an older platform that doesn't have as expensive a motherboard and ram.

[Universal_Cereal_Bus]

Try configuring a system here: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/systems/systemdetail.asp?systypeid=4

 

It seems that you might end up with a favorable deal. They let you change basically everything. You lose the build it yourself part of it but it may be cheaper.

[Imakuni]

7 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

I believe you can no longer overclock the no k model i5s. Intel got on that pretty fast when they realize people were doing that.

6 hours ago, zMeul said:

you can't overclock non K CPUs anymore

you can if you buy some very specific ASRock Hyper motherboards :

• Fatal1ty H170 Performance/Hyper: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty H170 PerformanceHyper/
• H170 Pro4/Hyper: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H170 Pro4Hyper/
• B150A-X1/Hyper: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B150A-X1Hyper/
• B150M Pro4/Hyper: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B150M Pro4Hyper/

You can still do it just fine. So long as you have a compatible Z170 board (and the proper BIOS), it's still as much of a thing today as it was when first announced.

 

Which is another way to say it's not worth it. Too many downsides imo. If you really want to OC, just get a proper CPU to do the job. Or spend your time OCing RAM< which will give almost as much of a benefit without any downsides.

7 hours ago, arnavvr said:

but it requires BIOS modification now.

That was always the case...

 

[zMeul]

3 minutes ago, Imakuni said:

That was always the case...

not true

it used to be possible to OC via BLK until Intel forced every mobo manufacturer to update the BIOS

[Imakuni]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

not true

it used to be possible to OC via BLK until Intel forced every mobo manufacturer to update the BIOS

It was never possible to OC via BCLK. Then mobo manufacturers came up with special Bios that allowed to do so, if you updated to those. Then Intel requested those Bios to be taken down (though they are still available on other sites).

 

Regardless, you always needed to do a BIOS swap to be able to do it. And you still need to do so nowadays.

[typographie]

7 hours ago, NeoSk11zle said:

and I downgraded my 6500 to 6400 so I could overclock it to get more bang for my buck.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why is an i5-6400 any more able to overclock than the 6500? Both are locked, and as far as I know both can overclock/could once be overclocked the same workarounds.

[Imakuni]

6 minutes ago, typographie said:

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why is an i5-6400 any more able to overclock than the 6500? Both are locked, and as far as I know both can overclock/could once be overclocked the same workarounds.

I think he meant going with a cheaper 6400 to invest the money onto a cooler / mobo.

[NeoSk11zle]

16 hours ago, Imakuni said:

I think he meant going with a cheaper 6400 to invest the money onto a cooler / mobo.

Yeah, because I can overclock my cpu and get it cheaper!
 

[Brooksie359]

20 hours ago, NeoSk11zle said:

Yeah, because I can overclock my cpu and get it cheaper!
 

tbh the 6500 is a good cpu and doesnt really need to be overclocked to do well in most games