Help Me Build My 1st PC

[Trillx]

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

Data transfer (bandwidth) between the CPU and RAM.  Think of it as a bigger water pipe;  the X99 pipeline is twice as wide as the the Z170 pipeline.  If an application stores data in the RAM that the CPU needs to process that data, the CPU can call twice as much data all at once... if the CPU is capable of processing it that fast.

mmmm okay makes sense..... how is it that you know what too look for in when building a new rig

[stconquest]

Just now, Trillx said:

mmmm okay makes sense..... how is it that you know what too look for in when building a new rig

1.  What do you need the PC to do?  The kind of work related to specific software.

 

2.  Know the market so you know what parts should cost.  This involves knowing comparative performance between like parts:  CPU vs CPU; GPU vs GPU; etc...

 

3.  Have a budget in mind to accomplish the first goal.  

[Trillx]

3 minutes ago, stconquest said:

1.  What do you need the PC to do?  The kind of work related to specific software.

 

2.  Know the market so you know what parts should cost.  This involves knowing comparative performance between like parts:  CPU vs CPU; GPU vs GPU; etc...

 

3.  Have a budget in mind to accomplish the first goal.  

nice ..okay .

 

now do you need to have $1000 at least to build a gaming PC?

[stconquest]

4 minutes ago, Trillx said:

nice ..okay .

 

now do you need to have $1000 at least to build a gaming PC?

No.  This is a good gaming PC:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($198.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 300 55.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($18.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GAMING Video Card  ($249.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($25.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR3-80-WT 20.2 CFM  80mm Fan  ($3.99 @ NCIX US)  <<rear exhaust
Total: $696.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[Trillx]

1 hour ago, stconquest said:

No.  This is a good gaming PC:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($198.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 300 55.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($18.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GAMING Video Card  ($249.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($25.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR3-80-WT 20.2 CFM  80mm Fan  ($3.99 @ NCIX US)  <<rear exhaust
Total: $696.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-08 02:25 EDT-0400

wow ......... was not expecting that........

Now I have another question I keep seeing this thing called

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Bottlenecking

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[stconquest]

7 minutes ago, Trillx said:

wow ......... was not expecting that........

Now I have another question I keep seeing this thing called

 

Every PC has "hardware limitations" (bottlenecks) when running specific hardware.  It is unavoidable. 

 

Some games will actually be CPU limited, most are GPU limited.  This is why we mostly recommend Intel CPUs, they are the fastest by far.  They will have less of a chance to affect FPS while gaming.

 

If you are compiling code, or encoding video, the CPU will be the limiting factor (bottleneck) to completing certain tasks.  Unavoidable.  Some CPUs will do it faster (more cores anyone?), but there will always be a limit to how fast they can do certain tasks.

 

You get the best your budget allows for the particular use the PC is intended for.  By doing that well, you move the line of where the hardware is a limiting factor... but it never goes away. 

[Trillx]

18 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Every PC has "hardware limitations" (bottlenecks) when running specific hardware.  It is unavoidable. 

 

Some games will actually be CPU limited, most are GPU limited.  This is why we mostly recommend Intel CPUs, they are the fastest by far.  They will have less of a chance to affect FPS while gaming.

 

If you are compiling code, or encoding video, the CPU will be the limiting factor (bottleneck) to completing certain tasks.  Unavoidable.  Some CPUs will do it faster (more cores anyone?), but there will always be a limit to how fast they can do certain tasks.

 

You get the best your budget allows for the particular use the PC is intended for.  By doing that well, you move the line of where the hardware is a limiting factor... but it never goes away. 

okay ....

 

what's the difference between a full tower or mid tower ..... etc.

[stconquest]

2 minutes ago, Trillx said:

okay ....

 

what's the difference between a full tower or mid tower ..... etc.

Space.  Full towers are bigger than mid towers.  Some mid towers are almost as big as some full towers though.  Full towers sometimes have features that a mid won't have, like support for EATX motherboards (ExtendedATX means bigger than the regular ATX).

[Trillx]

6 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Space.  Full towers are bigger than mid towers.  Some mid towers are almost as big as some full towers though.  Full towers sometimes have features that a mid won't have, like support for EATX motherboards (ExtendedATX means bigger than the regular ATX).

nice now ..... do you need a case fan ?

[stconquest]

10 minutes ago, Trillx said:

nice now ..... do you need a case fan ?

It depends on the case.  Some cases come with enough fans to get started, a lot of cases under $100 only come with a rear exhaust.

 

Ideally you want fans to bring in more fresh air than the fans exhausting the hot air.  So if a case has one rear exhaust, two front intakes will do nicely to balance the exchanging of air inside the case.

 

This is commonly known as positive air pressure and what it does is help keep dust off of your components.  The front intake fans (any intake fans actually) will have dust filters on them.  Having more intake fans means that any air that the exhaust fan(s) is not removing, will be pushed out through any openings in the case.  So the only air getting in will be filtered for dust.

 

My case has filters all long the front and bottom.  This allows me to have 4 intake fans and three exhaust fans.

[Trillx]

2 minutes ago, stconquest said:

It depends on the case.  Some cases come with enough fans to get started, a lot of cases under $100 only come with a rear exhaust.

 

Ideally you want a bit more fresh air coming in than hot air exhausting.  So if a case has one rear exhaust, two front intakes will do nicely to balance the exchanging of air insie the case.

 

This is commonly known as positive air pressure and what it does is help keep dust off of your components.  The front intake fans (any intake fans actually) will have dust filters on them.  Having more intake fans means that any air that the exhaust fan(s) is not removing, will be pushed out through any openings in the case.  So the only air getting in will be filtered for dust.

mmmm I see..

 

do you mind reviewing this for me maybe what I need better or don't really need

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMLkJV

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMLkJV
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMLkJV/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($324.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($150.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LED 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($192.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($58.97 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GAMING X Video Card  ($299.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.69 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer H236HLbid 23.0" 60Hz Monitor  ($129.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1361.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-08 05:00 EDT-0400

[stconquest]

21 minutes ago, Trillx said:

mmmm I see..

 

do you mind reviewing this for me maybe what I need better or don't really need

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMLkJV

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMLkJV
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMLkJV/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($324.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($150.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LED 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($192.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($58.97 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GAMING X Video Card  ($299.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.69 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer H236HLbid 23.0" 60Hz Monitor  ($129.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1361.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-08 05:00 EDT-0400

RAM - You are wasting money here.  GSkill makes the best DDR4 RAM right now.  TridentZ are on top with the Ripsaw V not far behind.  32GB of better RAM is roughly $150-$160.

 

GPU - The GTX 1060 is a good card, but the monitor has a native resolution of 2560x1440.  You will see the limits of the GPU much sooner on this display when compared to either a GTX 1070, or switching to a regular 1920x1080 display.  2560x1440 = 3.69 Million pixels.  1920x1080 = 2.1M pixels.  That is a big difference in GPU power needed.  Oops, I just noticed you already switched the display to a 1080 resolution.

 

PSU - That power supply is utter crap and has no place in your build. 

 

CPU cooler - The 212 is a good cooler.  The Be Quiet! Pure Rock ($25) or the Cryorig H7 ($35) are better.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($324.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($150.88 @ OutletPC)  <<really good board
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GAMING Video Card  ($249.89 @ OutletPC)  <<do not spend $300 on this card
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.69 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.48 @ NCIX US)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM  140mm Fan  ($8.90 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM  140mm Fan  ($8.90 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer H236HLbid 23.0" 60Hz Monitor  ($129.99 @ B&H)  <<don't be afraid to add a second monitor for productivity
Total: $1354.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-08 05:19 EDT-0400

 

[Trillx]

how about now

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZH6h3F

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, stconquest said:

RAM - You are wasting money here.  GSkill makes the best DDR4 RAM right now.  TridentZ are on top with the Ripsaw V not far behind.  32GB of better RAM is roughly $150-$160.

 

GPU - The GTX 1060 is a good card, but the monitor has a native resolution of 2560x1440.  You will see the limits of the GPU much sooner on this display when compared to either a GTX 1070, or switching to a regular 1920x1080 display.  2560x1440 = 3.69 Million pixels.  1920x1080 = 2.1M pixels.  That is a big difference in GPU power needed.

 

PSU - That power supply is utter crap and has no place in your build. 

 

 

[stconquest]

Just now, Trillx said:

how about now

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZH6h3F

The EVGA NEX line is not great.  Not for that money. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($324.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($150.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GAMING Video Card  ($249.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.69 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.48 @ NCIX US)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM  140mm Fan  ($8.90 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM  140mm Fan  ($8.90 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer GN246HL 24.0" 144Hz Monitor  ($189.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1414.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-08 05:25 EDT-0400

[Trillx]

On 9/8/2016 at 2:26 AM, stconquest said:

The EVGA NEX line is not great.  Not for that money. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($324.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($150.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GAMING Video Card  ($249.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.69 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.48 @ NCIX US)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM  140mm Fan  ($8.90 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM  140mm Fan  ($8.90 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer GN246HL 24.0" 144Hz Monitor  ($189.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1414.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-08 05:25 EDT-0400

hi many i want to say thanks again for all the support .....

i want to know how i would chooses a PSU ? and whats good for what ?.... (EXP. if it cost more does that mean its better ?)

[stconquest]

Just now, Trillx said:

hi many i want to say thanks again for all the support .....

i want to know how i would chooses a PSU ? and whats good for what ?.... (EXP. if it cost more does that mean its better ?)

Gimme a sec, in a game...

 

Internal components are what determine the performance quality (immediate and over time) of PSUs.  I will give you a quick rundown of EVGA units when I get out of game.

[Trillx]

2 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Gimme a sec, in a game...

 

Internal components are what determine the performance quality (immediate and over time) of PSUs.  I will give you a quick rundown of EVGA units when I get out of game.

lol alright man good luck xD..... take you time

[stconquest]

26 minutes ago, Trillx said:

lol alright man good luck xD..... take you time

EVGA has three main manufacturers for their PSUs:

 

1.  Seasonic - GS/PS

 

2.  Superflower - B2,G2,P2

 

3.  FSP - B, B1, G1 (NEX), GQ, BQ

 

The EVGA units made by Seasonic and Superflower have internal components, and build quality, ranging from good to excellent.

 

The FSP units are not always so good and range from bad to good.

 

How specific do you want further explanation?  I don't that much about PSUs, I understand capacitor degradation and thermal tolerances play a role in performance and longevity.

 

 

[Trillx]

12 hours ago, stconquest said:

EVGA has three main manufacturers for their PSUs:

 

1.  Seasonic - GS/PS

 

2.  Superflower - B2,G2,P2

 

3.  FSP - B, B1, G1 (NEX), GQ, BQ

 

The EVGA units made by Seasonic and Superflower have internal components, and build quality, ranging from good to excellent.

 

The FSP units are not always so good and range from bad to good.

 

How specific do you want further explanation?  I don't that much about PSUs, I understand capacitor degradation and thermal tolerances play a role in performance and longevity.

 

 

okay ........ daaaauuummmmm thank ...if i can ask how did you learn this ?

[stconquest]

4 hours ago, Trillx said:

okay ........ daaaauuummmmm thank ...if i can ask how did you learn this ?

Hanging around here at LTT... and researching.