What will the AMD Zen bring to the table?

[PapaJohn]

It has been teased this year and there is no official date of release. But what will it bring? Other than the fact that it will perform as good as Haswell technology. (These are opinions I am looking for. Unless you have facts) Will it be budget friendly $100-$200 cpu's. Will it be better than the Core i5's and Core i7's 4k series, and last but not least is there any way these chips can be used in socket types such as AM3+ allowing current AMD users to not have to upgrade their motherboard?

[bgibbz]

Supposedly it will be Amds return to the CPU game. 

[aisle9]

Pancakes. It will bring pancakes to the table.

[unidentical]

No point speculating. Wait for benchmarks.

[PapaJohn]

If you have no ideas on what it'll bring then there is no point on shitting on it. I just made this for people to help me understand on what to expect from the AMD Zen and if it's worth the wait. If you're a Intel Fanboy. Then just stop where you are. Turn off your computer, and think about your life.

[CostcoSamples]

I might be wrong, but I thought Zen was going to be on AM4?

 

My guess is it will be high core count, with lots of cache, 4ghz+ clock speeds, and comparable to Haswell for gaming.  It will run hot, and be priced over $300.  That's my guess and you can take it to the bank!  It will also be good for making pancakes.

[Beskamir]

Hopefully it'll be AMD's resurrection cause if it's not then bad things will happen. Like Intel getting a monopoly and average CPUs costing at least a grand.

[pcshme33]

hang on let me start up my zen test bench and get those benchmarks to you right now!

[Cracklingice]

1 minute ago, CostcoSamples said:

I might be wrong, but I thought Zen was going to be on AM4?

 

My guess is it will be high core count, with lots of cache, 4ghz+ clock speeds, and comparable to Haswell for gaming.  It will run hot, and be priced over $300.  That's my guess and you can take it to the bank!  It will also be good for making pancakes.

It's going to need to come in about a hundred cheaper than that if it wants to actually sell to more than amd hardcores.

It will bring a new unified socket.  No more APU only and CPU only sockets.  The chipset will likely bring current features such as revision 3 PCIE, usb 3 possibly up to C and DDR4.  There will also no longer be shared float points (pretty sure at least) and instead have multi thread technology.  It looks promising for budget enthusiasts.  No idea if it will have direct pcie and how many lanes that it might have.

[PapaJohn]

Just now, EnemySp0tt3d said:

hang on let me start up my zen test bench and get those benchmarks to you right now!

 I like your sarcasim. To make it more clear. Is it worth the wait?

[unidentical]

6 minutes ago, PapaJohn said:

If you have no ideas on what it'll bring then there is no point on shitting on it. I just made this for people to help me understand on what to expect from the AMD Zen and if it's worth the wait. If you're a Intel Fanboy. Then just stop where you are. Turn off your computer, and think about your life.

Alright kiddo, cool your jets.

 

I want AMD to be back, but the last generation was supposed to be AMD's big comeback. So we don't know what to expect, there's no point getting hyped, wait for benchmarks.

 

So ease off the keyboard warrioring and just be patient.

[themctipers]

8 cores and haswell ipc for under $200 please. 

[PapaJohn]

Just now, unidentical said:

Alright kiddo, cool your jets.

 

I want AMD to be back, but the last generation was supposed to be AMD's big comeback. So we don't know what to expect, there's no point getting hyped, wait for benchmarks.

 

So ease off the keyboard warrioring and just be patient.

Sorry, but. Every time I try to make discussion with people about AMD and their new products and doing some lite gaming on their 8350. People flip out about how good Intel is and start making fun of me and calling me name just because I like AMD. It's never happened here on this website but in CSGO and TeamSpeak lobbys it happens a lot.

[GreezyJeezy]

intel but better

[PapaJohn]

2 minutes ago, themctipers said:

8 cores and haswell ipc for under $200 please. 

i feel you there. I'm a budget gamer and I game lite but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy my 60 fps at max settings. 

[007agentHP]

Heres my prediction gathered from all the information i have:

 

AMD brings a FM4 Zen Based CPU to compete with the i3s and i5s (this is like the mainstream intel LGA 1150/1151)

 

for the Pentiums/i3s

a dual core with multithreading (2C/4T) priced at $65

 

for the i5s 

a quad core on the scale of haswell  priced at $150

 

for the i7  mainstreams

a quad core with multithreading (near the performance of a i7 4770)  priced at $225

 

for the Big momma (AM4)

 

A Hex Core comparable to a i7 5820k without hyperthreading for $275

a Hex core with Multithreading (basically an i7 5820K) for $325

 

a Octa-core with Multithreading (comparable to a i7 4960x) priced at $600

 

A 16 Core CPU with multthreading priced at the $1000 price tag

 

 

 

 

this is the bottom line:

 

IPC close to haswell priced Aggresively will put AMD back on top from the sheer number of sales. 

and its ipc improvement will be closer to 60-90%

 

 

sources

 

http://news.softpedia.com/news/14nm-AMD-Zen-CPU-Will-Have-DDR4-and-Simultaneous-Multithreading-471401.shtml

http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-architecture-release-schedule-revealed-rolled-server-market/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4khwmo/misconceptions_about_zens_40_ipc_improvements/

adding more

 

[aisle9]

22 minutes ago, PapaJohn said:

If you have no ideas on what it'll bring then there is no point on shitting on it. I just made this for people to help me understand on what to expect from the AMD Zen and if it's worth the wait. If you're a Intel Fanboy. Then just stop where you are. Turn off your computer, and think about your life.

I'm not a fanboy, but I did turn off my computer and think about my life. I came to an important realization: I'm hungry. Where the hell is Zen, and why hasn't it brought me my pancakes yet?!

[rattacko123]

4 minutes ago, 007agentHP said:

Heres my prediction gathered from all the information i have:

 

AMD brings a FM4 Zen Based CPU to compete with the i3s and i5s (this is like the mainstream intel LGA 1150/1151)

 

 

AMD is AM4 only except for laptop CPU, there wont be fm4

[unidentical]

3 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

I'm not a fanboy, but I did turn off my computer and think about my life. I came to an important realization: I'm hungry. Where the hell is Zen, and why hasn't it brought me my pancakes yet?!

It's the least they can do after the mess they made of the enthusiast market in the wake of Athlon.

[PapaJohn]

4 minutes ago, 007agentHP said:

Heres my prediction gathered from all the information i have:

 

AMD brings a FM4 Zen Based CPU to compete with the i3s and i5s (this is like the mainstream intel LGA 1150/1151)

 

for the Pentiums/i3s

a dual core with multithreading (2C/4T) priced at $65

 

for the i5s 

a quad core on the scale of haswell  priced at $150

 

for the i7  mainstreams

a quad core with multithreading (near the performance of a i7 4770)  priced at $225

 

for the Big momma (AM4)

 

A Hex Core comparable to a i7 5820k without hyperthreading for $275

a Hex core with Multithreading (basically an i7 5820K) for $325

 

a Octa-core with Multithreading (comparable to a i7 4960x) priced at $600

 

A 16 Core CPU with multthreading priced at the $1000 price tag

 

 

 

 

this is the bottom line:

 

IPC close to haswell priced Aggresively will put AMD back on top from the sheer number of sales. 

 

 

Thank you for replying with this. I understand these are predictions but I can indeed see these as being very close to the actually prices and what AMD will be doing to compete. Also, if this is close. I'd buy the one that competes with the Core i5. Same price as the 8350. Cheaper than a core i5 and has equal to or even better performance (Basing off of the 4k series)

[007agentHP]

Just now, PapaJohn said:

Thank you for replying with this. I understand these are predictions but I can indeed see these as being very close to the actually prices and what AMD will be doing to compete. Also, if this is close. I'd buy the one that competes with the Core i5. Same price as the 8350. Cheaper than a core i5 and has equal to or even better performance (Basing off of the 4k series)

Lisa Su (CEO of AMD) has already told investors that ZEN will be more than a 40% IPC improvement.  lying to the investors would be a fatal move

 

my guess is this within striking range of Skylake. somewhere between broadwell and skylake. and intel will only be 10-15% faster with their kaby lake series. all AMD has to do is price ZEN 15% lower than  Kaby lake and they are a very serious contender.  if priced low enough, they could completely canabalize the higher end i7 sales. 

[Hunter259]

5 minutes ago, 007agentHP said:

Lisa Su (CEO of AMD) has already told investors that ZEN will be more than a 40% IPC improvement.  lying to the investors would be a fatal move

 

my guess is this within striking range of Skylake. somewhere between broadwell and skylake. and intel will only be 10-15% faster with their kaby lake series. all AMD has to do is price ZEN 15% lower than  Kaby lake and they are a very serious contender.  if priced low enough, they could completely canabalize the higher end i7 sales. 

Well given the initial benchmarks its not there yet.

[007agentHP]

Just now, Hunter259 said:

Well given the initial benchmarks its not there yet.

Leaks you mean. and those were on Engineering Samples

the Sale units are generally clocked much faster

 

example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-I7-4960X-ES-QD2H-3-2Ghz-12MB-L3-6Core-Overcloclable-to-4-0Ghz-130W-CPU-/322212565359?hash=item4b055d916f:g:Y0MAAOSwTZ1XnsiX

vs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-4960X-3-6GHz-Six-Core-BX80633I74960X-Processor-SR1AS-/262553000108?hash=item3d2160d8ac:g:7q4AAOSw5L9XETPW

 

a 400 mhz difference

 

but then 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-i7-6700K-ES-Q0-4Core-2-6GHz-Turbo-3-4GHz-14nm-LGA1151-Multiplier-Unlock-/152183654229?hash=item236eda4755:g:3mgAAOSwARZXmNVl

 

a i7 6700K ES running at 2.6 GHZ

 

stock is 4.0 Ghz

 

that is a 1.4 GHZ difference

 

so we could be talking anywhere from 400 mhz to 1400 mhz

[Hunter259]

Just now, 007agentHP said:

Leaks you mean. and those were on Engineering Samples

the Sale units are generally clocked much faster

 

example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-I7-4960X-ES-QD2H-3-2Ghz-12MB-L3-6Core-Overcloclable-to-4-0Ghz-130W-CPU-/322212565359?hash=item4b055d916f:g:Y0MAAOSwTZ1XnsiX

vs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-4960X-3-6GHz-Six-Core-BX80633I74960X-Processor-SR1AS-/262553000108?hash=item3d2160d8ac:g:7q4AAOSw5L9XETPW

 

a 400 mhz difference

 

but then 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-i7-6700K-ES-Q0-4Core-2-6GHz-Turbo-3-4GHz-14nm-LGA1151-Multiplier-Unlock-/152183654229?hash=item236eda4755:g:3mgAAOSwARZXmNVl

 

a i7 6700K ES running at 2.6 GHZ

 

stock is 4.0 Ghz

 

that is a 1.4 GHZ difference

 

so we could be talking anywhere from 400 mhz to 1400 mhz

I hope you realize that we have tested a same clocked 5960x and it lost by quite the margin.

[NavyCuda]

I genuinely hope that AMD brings a good processor to market.  Healthy competition is good for consumers.