Bottleneck?

[Darkseth]

Yea, but the fps difference between a weaker CPU and a stronger CPU  gets smaller, the higher the Resolution (because the Bottleneck "shifts" more to the GPU). But that Video above me explained it very good.

 

However: Lets see, the i5 750 + GTX 1080 user who plays in 4k. If that Person has enough fps here, there is no reason to upgrade the CPU yet. Even if it Bottlenecks a bit.^^

[PCGuy_5960]

On 8/13/2016 at 0:01 PM, App4that said:

NO!!!!

 

The CPU has the same work load. Dude...

I meant, RELATIVE to the GPU load.... Not that it has to do less work in general... BTW, that is a first gen i5.... A 6600K runs circles around it....

 

On 8/13/2016 at 11:58 AM, App4that said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-the-best-pc-hardware-for-fallout-4-4023

 

You look at the minimum, not the average. A i7 helps with your minimum fps. 

Minimums can be affected by an i5... I was talking about average FPS.... 

[App4that]

On 8/13/2016 at 0:05 PM, PCGuy_5960 said:

I meant, RELATIVE to the GPU load.... Not that it has to do less work in general... BTW, that is a first gen i5.... A 6600K runs circles around it....

Yes, it's used as an extreme example to make the problem easier to see. 

 

On 8/13/2016 at 10:14 AM, App4that said:

@ARikozuM

 

This isn't about your opinion, or any feels. This is about facts. And a 6600k holds a 1080 back, it bottle necks it. If you want to discuss the severity of that bottle neck, that's a separate topic. But an incorrect comment was made, and I corrected it. 

 

It's been corrected, let it go. 

 

On 8/13/2016 at 0:06 PM, PCGuy_5960 said:

Minimums can be affected by an i5... I was talking about average FPS.... 

To an enthusiast, minimums are more important. 

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Yes, it's used as an extreme example to make the problem easier to see. 

And, with a 6600K, you get a whopping 1-3fps lower than you would with a 6700K.... 

1 minute ago, App4that said:

To an enthusiast, minimums are more important. 

An enthusiast would have an i7... To the average gamer, an i5 will do a fine job, even with a 1080...(provided that it's Haswell, Broadwell or Skylake) 

[App4that]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

And, with a 6600K, you get a whopping 1-3fps lower than you would with a 6700K.... 

An enthusiast would have an i7... To the average gamer, an i5 will do a fine job, even with a 1080...(provided that it's Haswell, Broadwell or Skylake) 

There's just, so much no here. 

 

If you want "fine", why the*&^% bloody*&^%ing hell would you waste the *&^%ing money on a *&^%ing overpriced 1080? Seriously?!?

 

Are you SO driven to validate your purchase you'd defend that position? Paired with a 1070 the 6600k is a great choice, if you don't mind a few dips. But you're defending the position to over pay for a 1080 just to see it held back. You realize that, right?

 

Probably not...

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

There's just, so much no here. 

 

If you want "fine", why the*&^% bloody*&^%ing hell would you waste the *&^%ing money on a *&^%ing overpriced 1080? Seriously?!?

 

Are you SO driven to validate your purchase you'd defend that position? Paired with a 1070 the 6600k is a great choice, if you don't mind a few dips. But you're defending the position to over pay for a 1080 just to see it held back. You realize that, right?

 

Probably not...

For starters, I would never pay $700 for a 1080, even though I have a 5820K (personally)... 

 

And, no, you shouldn't pay $700 for a GPU and $250 for a CPU... But if you do, it won't be unplayable... Just subpar....

 

That's my point... 

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

For starters, I would never pay $700 for a 1080, even though I have a 5820K (personally)... 

 

And, no, you shouldn't pay $700 for a GPU and $250 for a CPU... But if you do, it won't be unplayable... Just subpar....

 

That's my point... 

Where. Have I said. Unplayable.

 

I have said. Bottlenecked. For the third time,     READ

 

2 hours ago, App4that said:

@ARikozuM

 

This isn't about your opinion, or any feels. This is about facts. And a 6600k holds a 1080 back, it bottle necks it. If you want to discuss the severity of that bottle neck, that's a separate topic. But an incorrect comment was made, and I corrected it. 

 

It's been corrected, let it go. 

 

 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, App4that said:

Where. Have I said. Unplayable.

 

I have said. Bottlenecked. For the third time,     READ

 

 

TBH, you did say, 20fps because i5.... 

 

For me 20fps is defined as unplayable... 

[App4that]

That was an example. Easier to say 100 than 88. 

 

As has been said a thousand or more times on this and other forums it depends on the game. Usually the optimization, another words ports. If you dabble on the port side you'll want that i7. If you do mostly shooters you'll never notice. 

 

But it being fine in a few games doesn't change when it's not. It only takes one game for the fact that the CPU holds back any card to be true. And since the games that are usually the problem come from over confident developers that makes it all the more relevant. 

 

If you want to make generalizations, prepare yourself to be corrected in a generalized manner. 

 

oops, @PCGuy_5960  

[PCGuy_5960]

@App4that My point was that the i5 should be fine for the average gamer... Agree that it's game dependent btw....

[App4that]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

@App4that My point was that the i5 should be fine for the average gamer... Agree that it's game dependent btw....

I have a visceral reaction to the word, fine. But I agree. 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, App4that said:

I have a visceral reaction to the word, fine. But I agree. 

Then, let me rephrase that

"the i5 should satisfy the average gamer's needs"

[Dabombinable]

If you mean the A8 6800K, definitely.

[SLIClocker]

On 8/13/2016 at 3:14 PM, App4that said:

So you do zero research, yet still post.

 

classic

 

Do some research and come back.

I own a Intel Core I5 6600K so i would know.

[App4that]

3 hours ago, SLIClocker said:

I own a Intel Core I5 6600K so i would know.

Know what? Play Fallout 4. Turn everything to ultra including Godrays and the shadow distance. Walk around downtown Boston. Watch your FPS and GPU utilization.

 

Get back to me.

[SLIClocker]

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

Know what? Play Fallout 4. Turn everything to ultra including Godrays and the shadow distance. Walk around downtown Boston. Watch your FPS and GPU utilization.

 

Get back to me.

I am using 2 Nvidia Geforce GTX 970's in sli, also i have proof. No bottleneck at all!. Get back to me.

[App4that]

35 minutes ago, SLIClocker said:

I am using 2 Nvidia Geforce GTX 970's in sli, also i have proof. No bottleneck at all!. Get back to me.

Yes, you have a bottle neck. I had a bottle neck with a 290. Why I know exactly how to cause said bottle neck. So you can smile all you want, the truth remains you're bottle necking your cards. 

[Snakkey]

 

1 hour ago, App4that said:

Yes, you have a bottle neck. I had a bottle neck with a 290. Why I know exactly how to cause said bottle neck. So you can smile all you want, the truth remains you're bottle necking your cards. 

Lol u revived a dead topic but srsly u are bottle necking those 970s. The have borderline 1080 performance, and the 1080 requires a 6700k at the minimum.

[Nena Trinity]

You will be fine!

[SLIClocker]

1 hour ago, App4that said:

Yes, you have a bottle neck. I had a bottle neck with a 290. Why I know exactly how to cause said bottle neck. So you can smile all you want, the truth remains you're bottle necking your cards. 

Wow your cpu must have not won the silicon lottery. Oh and what speed is my I5 6600k running at um hmmm let me guess i think i pushed it to 4.7ghz? Sorry no bottleneck here. Have fun trying to figure out more excuses.

[App4that]

2 hours ago, SLIClocker said:

Wow your cpu must have not won the silicon lottery. Oh and what speed is my I5 6600k running at um hmmm let me guess i think i pushed it to 4.7ghz? Sorry no bottleneck here. Have fun trying to figure out more excuses.

Take it to 5GHz, still a bottleneck. Modern games are built to use four threads, how many threads does your CPU have again? How many threads does your OS need? Your antivirus? Having 8 threads verses 4 means the game gets those 4 threads, along with the need met of the rest of your system. And with DX12 offering even more multi thread support, your little i5 is cute. But not something you want for high end gaming. It's a mainstream solution, and a great one at that.

 

Now move along. 

[Chirag Borawake]

No, it won't bottleneck your card.

[SLIClocker]

10 hours ago, App4that said:

Take it to 5GHz, still a bottleneck. Modern games are built to use four threads, how many threads does your CPU have again? How many threads does your OS need? Your antivirus? Having 8 threads verses 4 means the game gets those 4 threads, along with the need met of the rest of your system. And with DX12 offering even more multi thread support, your little i5 is cute. But not something you want for high end gaming. It's a mainstream solution, and a great one at that.

 

Now move along. 

Look just give up now. People have their own opinions. And you cannot judge anyone for that. So please just stop quoting me now.

[App4that]

42 minutes ago, SLIClocker said:

Look just give up now. People have their own opinions. And you cannot judge anyone for that. So please just stop quoting me now.

Right, your "opinion" is that 4=8.

 

Good luck with that. 

[ARikozuM]

22 minutes ago, App4that said:

Right, your "opinion" is that 4=8.

 

Good luck with that. 

You really do like fighting with people, don't you?

Like getting a 1000W PSU for your 180W GPU.

Or trying to say that an i5 is [absolutely atrocious] or [a betrayal to enthusiasts everywhere]. Try to remember that your CPU is working on something more than just the game while your GPU is only working on the game.