Bottleneck?

[App4that]

3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

You really do like fighting with people, don't you?

Like getting a 1000W PSU for your 180W GPU.

Or trying to say that an i5 is [absolutely atrocious] or [a betrayal to enthusiasts everywhere]. Try to remember that your CPU is working on something more than just the game while your GPU is only working on the game.

No, I despise people who spread their opinion as fact. 

 

This section has a bottleneck topic with people lying that a i5 is fine in it, and topics asking why their system with a i5 doesn't get the same fps they see in reviews after buying an expensive new graphics card at the same time all the time. 

 

Lying to people and getting their hopes up is harmful. And this forum is a constant reminder to that, yet this discussion never seems to end. 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, App4that said:

No, I despise people who spread their opinion as fact. 

 

This section has a bottleneck topic with people lying that a i5 is fine in it, and topics asking why their system with a i5 doesn't get the same fps they see in reviews after buying an expensive new graphics card at the same time all the time. 

 

Lying to people and getting their hopes up is harmful. And this forum is a constant reminder to that, yet this discussion never seems to end. 

You can inform them correctly. To say "Get a 1070 or 1060" is just as harmful. In no way, is an i5 holding back the 1080, while the i7 is the only one to keep up. GPU's are purpose built for limited and repeated calculations whether they involve algorithms for engineering or textures and physics in games. A CPU can deny the user of ~10 or so frames but a lesser GPU can vary it by much more in graphic intensive workloads. Unless the user is generations behind LGA1150 or the AMD equivalent getting the lesser card would only benefit if the money saved would allow for a whole system upgrade of suitable performance.

 

If you truly want to better this community, try suggesting potential upgrade paths for users that can use the money saved.

But to get a 1070 and going from a 4690K ($200) to a 4790K ($300) is foolish as the CPU is not delivering any valuable performance even after the old CPU is sold as the money saved covered only one component.

 

If you want to tell a user to go with a 1060, rather than the 1080, for the moment saving about 500-600 using the same 4690K and upgrade to a 6700K or non-K would be a beneficial upgrade as it would cover the new RAM, motherboard, and CPU.

 

Finally, unless your GPU is below 30-50% while the CPU is at 100%, you're likely not bottlenecked but rather facing a game that is more reliant on a CPU than a GPU. It's all about "How is the game programmed?". Arma 3 has many features in-engine that would be much better off-loaded to the GPU but the calls were sent to the CPU (maybe for stability). Don't let your enthusiast state of mind apply to everyone that's using a 1080@60hz monitor.

[Crusader93]

On 13.8.2016 at 1:29 AM, PCGuy_5960 said:

No, not even a 1080

Yes, it will bottleneck a 1080 in 1080P@144hz. Dont spread false information!

 

If you are going to buy a 1060, you have absolutely nothing to be afraid of with a 6600K. If you havent bought this CPU yet, buy the i7 6700K instead. If you have bought the 6600K, you are totally fine in every aspect with a 1060

[App4that]

@ARikozuM try reading what I've written rather than just reacting to the bits you don't like. 

[SLIClocker]

59 minutes ago, App4that said:

@ARikozuM try reading what I've written rather than just reacting to the bits you don't like. 

Just give up. No one is saying it is true like they actually "KNOW" ok. Now do everyone a favor and go away. THESE ARE ONLY OPINIONS, STOP TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOU KNOW IT ALL. Do you even own an I5 6600K??? No i did not think so! Do you even own a Nvidia GTX 1080? No! So where is your proof. My proof is that i actually know because i own one! So now put this to rest PLEASE!

[Simon771]

there is no such thing as bottleneck

only headroom for some components

 

But yeah ... i5 4xxx or 6xxx paired with GTX 1060, is perfect match.

GTX 1070 or GTX 1080 with i5 however ... it will bottleneck in some scenarios. Like 144Hz monitors and CPU heavy games.

[Dabombinable]

26 minutes ago, SLIClocker said:

Just give up. No one is saying it is true like they actually "KNOW" ok. Now do everyone a favor and go away. THESE ARE ONLY OPINIONS, STOP TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOU KNOW IT ALL. Do you even own an I5 6600K??? No i did not think so! Do you even own a Nvidia GTX 1080? No! So where is your proof. My proof is that i actually know because i own one! So now put this to rest PLEASE!

I ran my 4790K with hyperthreading disabled for a while due to its temps and in some games at 1080p, it bottlenecked my GTX 970 (note-a CPU is too hot to me when it gets near 80^oC). Imagine what its like with a GTX 1080. i5 have problems because they have 4 threads total, and games, the OS and other back ground process have to fight over them, which you don't see with i7 or as much as I hate saying it, the FX 8*** series as they have 8 threads, meaning that games can actually pretty much reserve their own resources without causing any problems.

[PCGuy_5960]

2 hours ago, Crusader93 said:

Yes, it will bottleneck a 1080 in 1080P@144hz. Dont spread false information!

 

If you are going to buy a 1060, you have absolutely nothing to be afraid of with a 6600K. If you havent bought this CPU yet, buy the i7 6700K instead. If you have bought the 6600K, you are totally fine in every aspect with a 1060

Already discussed that.... Take a look at the posts between this and this.... 

[SLIClocker]

On 8/17/2016 at 3:09 AM, Dabombinable said:

I ran my 4790K with hyperthreading disabled for a while due to its temps and in some games at 1080p, it bottlenecked my GTX 970 (note-a CPU is too hot to me when it gets near 80^oC). Imagine what its like with a GTX 1080. i5 have problems because they have 4 threads total, and games, the OS and other back ground process have to fight over them, which you don't see with i7 or as much as I hate saying it, the FX 8*** series as they have 8 threads, meaning that games can actually pretty much reserve their own resources without causing any problems.

Don't you find it funny that my I5 6600k runs better than my previous I7 4770? Now can we put this to rest! Here is proof! Also i had google tabs and applications open! Now can we put this to rest.

 

This was run with all cores activated!

[Dabombinable]

1 hour ago, SLIClocker said:

Don't you find it funny that my I5 6600k runs better than my previous I7 4770? Now can we put this to rest! Here is proof! Also i had google tabs and applications open! Now can we put this to rest.

1. Architectural improvements including the IPC increase

2. Clocked 600MHz higher than the boost speed

3. The boost speed with all 4 cores and threads under load is 3.7GHz

[SLIClocker]

12 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

1. Architectural improvements including the IPC increase

2. Clocked 600MHz higher than the boost speed

3. The boost speed with all 4 cores and threads under load is 3.7GHz

Meaning you need to calm down..... You said that my I5 6600K @"4.5ghz" is a bottleneck. The I5 is not a bottleneck.

[Dabombinable]

29 minutes ago, SLIClocker said:

Meaning you need to calm down..... You said that my I5 6600K @"4.5ghz" is a bottleneck. The I5 is not a bottleneck.

If you have a GTX 1080 it would......your only running a GTX 970 SLI setup which is significantly weaker (though that won't stop me from going with it-since just 1 GTX 970 can handle FO4 at 2715x1527 DSR without running out of vRAM-and because I will need the extra performance for when I start re-modding FO4 and my current Skyrim setup)

[PRTI]

On 8/12/2016 at 6:50 PM, ARikozuM said:

We should probably open a topic or billboard to answer this once and for all...

Yeah like "Bottlenecks" board so people can post these questions

 

On 8/17/2016 at 1:19 AM, Crusader93 said:

Yes, it will bottleneck a 1080 in 1080P@144hz. Dont spread false information!

 

If you are going to buy a 1060, you have absolutely nothing to be afraid of with a 6600K. If you havent bought this CPU yet, buy the i7 6700K instead. If you have bought the 6600K, you are totally fine in every aspect with a 1060

It even bottlenecks a 1070 in 1080p@144Hz

[App4that]

4 hours ago, SLIClocker said:

Meaning you need to calm down..... You said that my I5 6600K @"4.5ghz" is a bottleneck. The I5 is not a bottleneck.

The only person making a big deal about this is you. You're insecure about having an i5 so you get a short man complex and make a scene.

 

Your 6600k is a bottleneck for a 1070 and higher in some games. Get over it. Stop using your insecurities to spread misinformation on this forum.