PSA - Turkish Government being attacked by Turkish Military. Tanks and soldiers in Instanbul

[Okjoek]

2 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Saddam Hussein-Iraq

Francisco Franco-Spain

Somoza family-Nicaragua (he threw people in volcanoes)

Fulgencio Batista-Cuba

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi-Iran

 António de Oliveira Salazar-Portugal

Hosni Mubarak-Egypt up till 2011

Mohamed Morsi-Egypt 2012-2013

I can continue but know I have to look the names up more, instead of actually knowing their last names

Can't forget Korean and Vietnam wars. We propped up some pretty sick people in there if I recall. 

 

Wasn't Franco put in by Hitler/Mussolini? I don't recall US having anything to do with that and staying neutral.

[AresKrieger]

3 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

 

Wasn't Franco put in by Hitler/Mussolini? I don't recall US having anything to do with that and staying neutral.

He was anti commie after the war, the US even supported Stalin, of course this was due to Hitler being such a threat

[Okjoek]

1 minute ago, AresKrieger said:

He was anti commie after the war, the US even supported Stalin, of course this was due to Hitler being such a threat

Oh yeah. I could see us supporting him after WWII

[AresKrieger]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States Well I should have just looked on wiki first lol, it has a fairly inclusive list

[Okjoek]

Analysts on Russia's RT news are calling the coup a botched attempt. Apparently you should perform a coup at night when things are more quiet and make sure the head of state is accessible.

[apm]

28 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

This isn't over yet, give it a day or two to see. Erdogan is still on the run otherwise he wouldn't have tried to get asylum in the first place.

he did? when and where?

wasnt he on holidays somewhere south and flew almost straight to istanbul a few hours after it all started?

he is not on the run, he landed in istanbul a few hours ago, was on aljareeza and did a press conference.

its over.

13 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

Analysts on Russia's RT news are calling the coup a botched attempt. Apparently you should perform a coup at night when things are more quiet and make sure the head of state is accessible.

well it was at night, it started about 5h ago, so midnight local time(?)

they just couldnt get to erdogan.

friday is probably a bad day for coup too.

thousands of protesters arent good either.

[Okjoek]

I guess I'll just check to see how it has unfolded further in the morning. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it for now. 

[handymanshandle]

2 hours ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Western Governments like the status quo, the liberal governments have been supporting Turkey and throwing support behind Erdogan and dictators for years.  If you turn on CNN all you can see is them talking 'bout how he is loved by his people despite committing a genocide, killing freedom of speech, censoring anyone who disagrees with him and attempting to remove any and all -actual- liberal voices of reason(Liberal as in classical liberal / modern conservative, and not the faux-socialist liberal that plagues the West.)  The status quo in Turkey is what they love, because it creates more turmoil and creates a better need for social programs, taxes, and government consolidation as 'refugees' flee in to our countries.  

It is all....  BY DESIGN.  *Lightning strikes*  

I marked that as funny as modern conservatives aren't very progressive, but I wouldn't say the Libs are either. I think the Green Party and the Democratic Socialist party are the better bets, or maybe even the Libertarian Party since they don't want to make more shit illegal they seemingly want to either make stuff legal or leave it up to the states even though in some instances the states shouldn't be trusted with certain things. Looking at you North Carolina and Indiana and other states with similar laws

Like I've said in another particular thread I think Nationalism is a terrible thing, and if you're going to be proud of your country just keep it at patriotic levels not nationalistic levels. WWII Germany and Italy, are great example of why nationalism is terrible. You know Fascism and all. Not a really great thing. 

 

I wasn't sure which side was better. The Turkish gov't or the Turkish military. From what it sounds like the Turkish Military is better but not really sure what Martial law and curfews means for Turkish citizens.

[AlwaysFSX]

15 minutes ago, apm said:

he did? when and where?

wasnt he on holidays somewhere south and flew almost straight to istanbul a few hours after it all started?

he is not on the run, he landed in istanbul a few hours ago, was on aljareeza and did a press conference.

its over.

I've been checking the news every so often, last I heard he's still looking at going to other countries.

[atrash]

Anti-coup protestor =/= Pro Erdogan fyi.. Hence I don't think he's perfectly safe for now. 

[SurvivorNVL]

30 minutes ago, wcreek said:

I marked that as funny as modern conservatives aren't very progressive, but I wouldn't say the Libs are either. I think the Green Party and the Democratic Socialist party are the better bets, or maybe even the Libertarian Party since they don't want to make more shit illegal they seemingly want to either make stuff legal or leave it up to the states even though in some instances the states shouldn't be trusted with certain things. Looking at you North Carolina and Indiana and other states with similar laws

Like I've said in another particular thread I think Nationalism is a terrible thing, and if you're going to be proud of your country just keep it at patriotic levels not nationalistic levels. WWII Germany and Italy, are great example of why nationalism is terrible. You know Fascism and all. Not a really great thing. 

 

I wasn't sure which side was better. The Turkish gov't or the Turkish military. From what it sounds like the Turkish Military is better but not really sure what Martial law and curfews means for Turkish citizens.

The Libertarians are the best choice, but they'll never go anywhere.  It's either economic freedom and some social freedoms being off, or full, insane levels of social freedom and economic distress.  We've discussed things like this before.  I am sure you've read up on the libertarian platform as well.  It's great.  Though, when it comes to the state laws - they're designed because people in those states want things a certain way.  And that's fine.  I'm glad that even though you believe one thing, and I another, it never goes toward attacks on the few times we've communicated.  I've spent the last three hours arguing with some of my Liberal friends(Communists, actual marxists), and there's no real arguement on their end.  It just devolves in to emotional disputes and yelling to try and disrupt my thought, articles, and history.  

In short:  I appreciate you, wcreek.  

The Military is the better of the options because they wanted democracy, accountability, and human rights / free speech back in play.  They failed, and now the Ottomans will rise again with Adolf Erdogan as the leader.

Also the religious freedom laws and bathrooms laws of states are up to those states to decide(Personally I'm an atheist and if a business doesn't want to serve someone, they lose a customer and someone can just make a business that will cater.  Market competition.  No place for the Government.  My beliefs.).  People who disagree with it are free to move, or vote in someone who will change those laws, but that's the way it is.  It's up to a state to decide, not the Fed Govt.  Each state is basically a micro-country, it's got culture, and style and all.  Like England, but without all the insane accents every 3 minutes.

[SurvivorNVL]

What I said above may not make any sense, as I am just brain dead right now.

[handymanshandle]

4 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

The Libertarians are the best choice, but they'll never go anywhere.  It's either economic freedom and some social freedoms being off, or full, insane levels of social freedom and economic distress.  We've discussed things like this before.  I am sure you've read up on the libertarian platform as well.  It's great.  Though, when it comes to the state laws - they're designed because people in those states want things a certain way.  And that's fine.  I'm glad that even though you believe one thing, and I another, it never goes toward attacks on the few times we've communicated.  I've spent the last three hours arguing with some of my Liberal friends(Communists, actual marxists), and there's no real arguement on their end.  It just devolves in to emotional disputes and yelling to try and disrupt my thought, articles, and history.  

Yeah, well I just like the libertarians because they seem to be more logical than the democrats and less of a threat to muh civil rights because the Republican party seems like it's having another Evangelical Christian uprising and kinda taking an even more homophobic approach to things. I guess at one point I would agree with more things that the left has had to say but I'd say that THaC, Tyler Preston and Sargon of Akkad have made some pretty good points in general. 

9 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

In short:  I appreciate you, wcreek.  

I guess I appreciate you too.

9 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

The Military is the better of the options because they wanted democracy, accountability, and human rights / free speech back in play.  They failed, and now the Ottomans will rise again with Adolf Erdogan as the leader.

Well Wikipedia says its ongoing still so maybe the Military might have a chance.

13 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Also the religious freedom laws and bathrooms laws of states are up to those states to decide(Personally I'm an atheist and if a business doesn't want to serve someone, they lose a customer and someone can just make a business that will cater.  Market competition.  No place for the Government.  My beliefs.).  People who disagree with it are free to move, or vote in someone who will change those laws, but that's the way it is.  It's up to a state to decide, not the Fed Govt.  Each state is basically a micro-country, it's got culture, and style and all.  Like England, but without all the insane accents every 3 minutes.

Well there's things that I could see being a problem though the there isn't an intervention by the US Government. As there might be numerous factors that would make it harder to leave a state. But I do agree, each state is nearly its own country. I think I've said before but I'd rather be proud of being Minnesotan over American, because the state legislature and governor of MN has more influence over how things are done in MN than the POTUS or the US Congress. I'm an Agnostic Atheist, but I think that businesses shouldn't be able to allow their religion into their business. But I suppose most businesses are privately owned so I guess that's that is the business owners choice if they want to discriminate.

[Tech_Dreamer]

Turkish Military now...

 

[apm]

heres a good livefeed, in case you missed it: https://www.reddit.com/live/x9gf3donjlkq

 

the coup is over.

it was so badly planned it could have been a setup by erdogan.

on a friday night, internet still working and they couldnt get erdogan.

[Tech_Dreamer]

So many 2 faced shit in this world , not sure what the truth is , public media is twisted & twisting words depending on politics, RT interview with a former CIA  contractor (shown on RT couple of minutes ago) suggested that CIA could've been involved , not sure what to make of it & stories surrounding what lead to the coup , But also few are saying it was staged from within to get more support for the president

[SurvivorNVL]

The coup is still underway it seems.  Hasn't stopped.  Nearly 1000 already arrested and -   What we Know: Bosphorus strait is closed, Ankara still under rebel control, F-16 strikes continue, large military presence on the streets  -  It is looking increasingly likely that 1st Tactical Air Force Command which controls the TuAF in Ankara/Istanbul is supporting the coup  -  In the central turkey town of Malatya, riots ongoing after "10 military cargo planes" arrived at the airport, which is now blocked.  -  Big news is all senior command structure of Army is missing: Chief of Staff, Commanders of Land Forces, Air Forces, Navy, Gendarmerie & more  -  About a dozen ships of various countries suddenly transmitting active transponders within the past 15 minutes at Pendik. possibly evacuating -  29 colonels and 5 generals have been sacked, some of them arrested   

http://www.defconwarningsystem.com/

[Castdeath97]

9 hours ago, Energycore said:

Well, in a world where you can get T-55s for less than a Tesla car

 

 

That said, oh shit

I have only seen Leopard 2 tanks so far 

[Castdeath97]

8 hours ago, Energycore said:

 

These are Leopard 1A5s or 1A4s

Add on turret armour seems to be missing so it seems to be a 1A4.

[thekeemo]

4 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

Saddam Hussein-Iraq

Francisco Franco-Spain

Somoza family-Nicaragua (they threw people in volcanoes)

Fulgencio Batista-Cuba

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi-Iran

 António de Oliveira Salazar-Portugal

Hosni Mubarak-Egypt up till 2011

Mohamed Morsi-Egypt 2012-2013

I can continue but know I have to look the names up more, instead of actually knowing their last names

You forgot Pinochet among others.. (pinochet is a big one also Morsi was not military coup he was removed as a result of a coup by El Sisi)

anyway

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Unconfirmed: Captured Coup-Soldiers claim that their commander told to them it was "Training" not a "Coup" they also claim that they had no idea what was going on untill People tried to attack them.

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1374 members of the armed forces taken into custody over coup attempt, Turkey's justice ministry says.

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Turkish Red Cross: More than 1,000 people injured in Turkey coup attempt. About 800 people being treated at Ankara hospitals, another 200 at hospitals in Istanbul.

 

[Tech_Dreamer]

[handymanshandle]

@SurvivorNVL I was wonder what you meant by the Turkish government being genocidal or whatever.

Is this what you mean? Considering what the Turkish government tries to pull...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_denial

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Many other countries, most controversially the United States (pressured by both the Turkish lobby and Anti-Defamation League) and Israel, have deliberately avoided officially recognizing it as a genocide to avoid harming relations with Turkey.The Turkish government has spent millions on Washington lobbying over the past decade, much of it focused on the Armenian genocide issue, and has in the past threatened politicians from other countries with strong retaliation to prevent them from using the word genocide.

I mean this quote right here, which sounds to be true. Super scummy af. I mean before all of this I didn't think much about Turkey or care too much about them. But after this, it's a damn shame the Military is losing.

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The Turkish regime has also been accused of attempting to intimidate and silence foreign investigative journalists and genocide scholars.

 

[Prysin]

9 hours ago, Okjoek said:

Apparently the US Government said Turkish people should support the democratically elected government. If this is the case the Coup is definitely not on our (USA)side.

ofcourse they have to say that. With nukes and other military assets stored in turkey, its madness to support a coup that might fail. What would happen to your assets if the coup fails and you didnt support the overly sensitive president that cannot even handle people making memes of him on the internet.

[.spider.]

According to tagesschau.de: Erdogan called the coup attempt "a gift of God", which speeds up the "purification" of the military.

 

[MrDynamicMan]

8 hours ago, 69ing Rainbow Dash said:

when will this happen to Obama?

*can't tell if being satirical or just a massive republican*