Apple...

[ALwin]

9 hours ago, Enderman said:

if you try windows for more than 12 minutes and actually learn how to use it, it is far better than OSX

On what planet?  Besides for gamers.

 

OSX has a number of advantages of Windows, not just in terms of security because it's based on UNIX.

 

As for software support, that's up to the software developer to support the OS.  And while there are many software that do not run on OSX, there are also many that run on OSX and share similar functionalities between OSX and Windows.

[Bsmith]

*sees title*

Not this stuff again.... Please use a few braincells before you speak, the first comment from @Atmos nails it perfectly.
They don't aim that market, they aim for a market where the hardware is simple, stable, efficient and the software gets to further enhance that job.
Hell like said, OSX/macOS is even free! so go macintosh, which also also been said before.

 

hmm... Guess I didn't add anything new after all.

[mikat]

29 minutes ago, ALwin said:

Real professionals buy Eizo monitors, Quadro/Firepro (workstation end) GPUs...

my dad is a real professional and he runs on iGPU
and a premierecolor screen that cost way too much lol

[ALwin]

2 minutes ago, mikat said:

my dad is a real professional and he runs on iGPU
and a premierecolor screen that cost way too much lol

We call that semi-pro

[mikat]

1 minute ago, ALwin said:

We call that semi-pro

well by definition he is a professional, since he earns money with it  (photographer)

[mikat]

23 minutes ago, Bsmith said:

*sees title*

Not this stuff again.... Please use a few braincells before you speak, the first comment from @Atmos nails it perfectly.
They don't aim that market, they aim for a market where the hardware is simple, stable, efficient and the software gets to further enhance that job.
Hell like said, OSX/macOS is even free! so go macintosh, which also also been said before.

 

hmm... Guess I didn't add anything new after all.

OSX can be simple but also has a lot of advanced features that are just easier on mac or only available on mac..

[TriFlix Films]

Build a Hackintosh, bud. 980ti for OSX and 1080 for PC. (You can have both GPUs in the system at one and select which one the Operating System runs on)

 

OSX

Pros:

• Final Cut Pro
• Garage Band

Cons:

• Limited Hardware
• Limited Gaming

PC

Pros:

• Felxibility with software
• A lot more software for Video Editing/Gaming
• Lots of Hardware

Cons:

• No FCP or Garageband

 

 

 

 

[ALwin]

2 minutes ago, TriFlix Films said:

A lot more software for Video Editing

All the good stuff runs on OSX, and some really good ones are OSX and Linux only.

[-iSynthesis]

10 hours ago, Enderman said:

if you try windows for more than 12 minutes and actually learn how to use it, it is far better than OSX

I'm a windows user and got to use OSX on a 2 week holiday job with a mac mini. That time has changed how i view things, OSX > Windows on everything but gaming. The OS is simply built hundreds of times better so that even a spec-wise weak mac mini easily gets faster loading times on professional applications like Photoshop than my PC, even using a SSD in it. It's a pure pleasure to see how smooth it works compared to Windows, which gives me problems after problems which i sometimes can't even fix like my damn start menu not working. I'd be using it if i wasn't gaming 70% of them time when I'm on my PC. 

[TriFlix Films]

3 minutes ago, ALwin said:

All the good stuff runs on OSX, and some really good ones are OSX and Linux only.

I prefer FCP for NLE however their Hardware is not nearly good enough for real VFX in Maya, 3DS Max, Fume Effects. I am trying to get my PC to go Hackintosh just for NLE then export and VFX in HitFilm + 3DS Max + Gimp.

 

Don't lie to yourself... Motion 5 is a dead Apple project and not nearly good enough to support 3D models which requires mod support to do anyway.

 

The problem is unless you drop 4k on a Mac Can you won't be able to even compete with a $1700 PC in the world of VFX and Modeling.

[thekeemo]

48 minutes ago, ALwin said:

On what planet?  Besides for gamers.

 

OSX has a number of advantages of Windows, not just in terms of security because it's based on UNIX.

 

As for software support, that's up to the software developer to support the OS.  And while there are many software that do not run on OSX, there are also many that run on OSX and share similar functionalities between OSX and Windows.

Is the lack of snapping not enough for you?

[daniielrp]

9 minutes ago, thekeemo said:

Is the lack of snapping not enough for you?

El capitan added "snapping" on OS X a year ago.

[Enderman]

18 minutes ago, -iSynthesis said:

I'm a windows user and got to use OSX on a 2 week holiday job with a mac mini. That time has changed how i view things, OSX > Windows on everything but gaming. The OS is simply built hundreds of times better so that even a spec-wise weak mac mini easily gets faster loading times on professional applications like Photoshop than my PC, even using a SSD in it. It's a pure pleasure to see how smooth it works compared to Windows, which gives me problems after problems which i sometimes can't even fix like my damn start menu not working. I'd be using it if i wasn't gaming 70% of them time when I'm on my PC. 

this sounds like you dont know how to properly maintain windows

 

maybe you upgraded to windows 10, or cloned to your SSD, or something like that which you should not have done

[thekeemo]

Just now, daniielrp said:

El capitan added "snapping" on OS X a year ago.

give me easy compatibility with all PC hardware and OSX might be in my future

[daniielrp]

7 minutes ago, thekeemo said:

give me easy compatibility with all PC hardware and OSX might be in my future

Well that's big issue really - OS X works so well because it only has to work on a limited range of hardware that Apple test it on. 

 

If they were like Microsoft and tried to support everything then that's where you run in to issues. 

[ALwin]

19 minutes ago, TriFlix Films said:

Don't lie to yourself... Motion 5 is a dead Apple project and not nearly good enough to support 3D models which requires mod support to do anyway.

I'm not talking about Motion.  I mean software like Autodesk Flame.

 

As for spending $4000.00 on a Mac, for people who spend $10,000.00 or more on a camera, it's pocket change.

 

[thekeemo]

1 minute ago, daniielrp said:

Well that's big issue really - OS X works so well because it only has to work on a limited range of software that Apple test it on. 

 

If they were like Microsoft and tried to support everything then that's where you run in to issues. 

Only thing I like about OSX is that the search function works which is big for me

[daniielrp]

1 minute ago, thekeemo said:

Only thing I like about OSX is that the search function works which is big for me

You know I would dump Windows 10 in a heartbeat for my gaming rig(if possible) just because of how piss poor the search is. 

 

I know Linus has mentioned this in videos before too - I just don't get why it is so inconsistent. Sometimes it'll work and find a file or setting I want, then others it will take me to a fucking bing search page for device manager or something. It infuriates me. 

[TriFlix Films]

1 hour ago, ALwin said:

I'm not talking about Motion.  I mean software like Autodesk Flame.

 

As for spending $4000.00 on a Mac, for people who spend $10,000.00 or more on a camera, it's pocket change.

 

Dude, who you think the target audience is? Why you're probably correct on the above statement. Very few people on this forum, this thread specifically are dropping that kind of money. I am heavily into independent film but even then 10k is unrealistic for most. In production, 10-300k for a camera... sure. But for this target audience, no one is having it.

 

I have $430 used NX500 and a $1700 rig I built and bought myself. I am in the middle of building a DIY 3 axis gimbal valued at $1500 but bought the parts for $350. I remodeled my entire room into an office. I am paying my way through full time engineering college at Purdue University. While maintaing a 29 hour job and running a film company. $270 per month car insurance. I couldn't have dont it alone but dont act like I haven't earned it. 3DS Max, HitFilm, AE, FCP, Motion 5, Blender, Maya, and Divenci Resolve are more than enough for 95% of the filming community. Most of those softwares are free to students or come free with other commonly purchased products. Rant Over.

Point being, I dont need a computer to edit 8k footage, I just need one that can edit fume effects, fluids, 3d models and vfx as fast as possible for under $4000. Why would I pay the full $4000 when I could buy the same thing for $1700 and spend $2300 on a really good camera/audio set-up? I know its all about the users budget, but frankly most people don't have the budget you speak of.

 

No hard feelings, just hate when people bring up the whole "money is disposable" argument. Its reletive to the indivual. By the way... despirte all that, I am still debt free. Thank God.

[Atmos]

8 hours ago, mikat said:

I've got a hackintosh (dual booted with win10 using clover) and a macbook air, and i prefer osx to linux because of program compatibility, and i prefer osx to windows because of the terminal and the better support for full screen (loving the full screen split feature on el capitan)

 

my advice: eiter build a hackintosh or buy the cheapest macbook air and upgrade it

but: hackintoshes are against apple's TOS so we can't help you with your hackintosh (discussed this with a mod, falls under piracy they think), but there are other forums just for hackintoshing where you can ask your hackintosh questions  

 

and OP, they will probably renew their mac pros this fall, would be stupid not to, the broadwell-ep chips just came out and apple is launching new products
 

 

The problem the OP is still having is, even if he built a hackintosh, he wouldn't just be able to throw in the latest graphics card, or the latest cpu and overclock it. That's the whole problem, he's just upset he can't do those things. I understand him, I really do. However aggressive against apple my first post on here was, it hit the nail on the head. Apple doesn't value those markets since they lost them so completely so long ago, so they have no reason to support them anymore.

[Bsmith]

2 hours ago, mikat said:

OSX can be simple but also has a lot of advanced features that are just easier on mac or only available on mac..

I know I know, I love my mac for the fact that it can run 5h+ photoshop without battery problems or the automator script system and the deeply rooted swift programming language.

but it's just that most times someone comes up with something regarding apple, IOS or OSX they only at half the picture and only name the downsides even when they are serious, without thinking of possible upsides of that problem or looking at the perspective from who it is targeted. Instead it's only from their view without looking further, behind that barrier called "a individual" that buys something mass produced.

[ALwin]

2 hours ago, TriFlix Films said:

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Well people who can afford to invest in a Mac have the right to do so, and people who can't... well they shouldn't be complaining about why Macs are expensive or that they can't afford one.  And if someone comes onto this forum and asks for advice about OSX or Mac or other Apple products, they shouldn't be harassed because they want to buy something nice and that they can afford it.

 

Same thing for cameras and other gear.

2 hours ago, TriFlix Films said:

3DS Max, HitFilm, AE, FCP, Motion 5, Blender, Maya, and Divenci Resolve are more than enough for 95% of the filming community

Perhaps some percentage of the indie community, but definitely not 95%.  But then again, I guess it can be 95% since these days everyone seems to call themselves a filmmaker after buying a DSLR that can record video.

 

 

 

For those truly working as professionals in the field, buying the necessary gear and software means making the necessary investments.  Working with what they currently have can only take them a certain distance...

 

 

Too many people on this forum ask for "professional" level 'guidance' with amateur budgets, and when someone explains to them "why" investing $##### amount is required if they have XXXX expectations they complain.

[-iSynthesis]

5 hours ago, Enderman said:

this sounds like you dont know how to properly maintain windows

 

maybe you upgraded to windows 10, or cloned to your SSD, or something like that which you should not have done

I did a clean install with a fresh Win10 CD on my SSD. My mom has the same problem with a clean (from ASUS factory) install of win10 on a hdd. Theres several solutions i have tried online but they either did not work or only worked until the next restart. My dad tried to upgrade to Win10 from Win7, completly crashed his entire HDD and destroyed the Ubuntu partition. Even my school had to return to Win7 because Win10 wouldn't work on the system. It's a pure disaster once you see how well OSX is programmed because it plain works. 

[Enderman]

9 minutes ago, -iSynthesis said:

I did a clean install with a fresh Win10 CD on my SSD. My mom has the same problem with a clean (from ASUS factory) install of win10 on a hdd. Theres several solutions i have tried online but they either did not work or only worked until the next restart. My dad tried to upgrade to Win10 from Win7, completly crashed his entire HDD and destroyed the Ubuntu partition. Even my school had to return to Win7 because Win10 wouldn't work on the system. It's a pure disaster once you see how well OSX is programmed because it plain works. 

uh, no, thats just ignorance and lazyness

you do not upgrade to windows 10, you clean install it

and pretty much nobody else has problems with windows 10 so you're obviously doing something wrong

 

but osx is definitely better for technology-incompetent people who dont know how to even run a simple command like sfc /scannow

so i guess you can enjoy OSX becaise it "plain works" (said every console peasant ever)

[TriFlix Films]

1 hour ago, ALwin said:

Well people who can afford to invest in a Mac have the right to do so, and people who can't... well they shouldn't be complaining about why Macs are expensive or that they can't afford one.  And if someone comes onto this forum and asks for advice about OSX or Mac or other Apple products, they shouldn't be harassed because they want to buy something nice and that they can afford it.

 

Same thing for cameras and other gear.

 

Perhaps some percentage of the indie community, but definitely not 95%.  But then again, I guess it can be 95% since these days everyone seems to call themselves a filmmaker after buying a DSLR that can record video.

 

 

 

For those truly working as professionals in the field, buying the necessary gear and software means making the necessary investments.  Working with what they currently have can only take them a certain distance...

 

 

Too many people on this forum ask for "professional" level 'guidance' with amateur budgets, and when someone explains to them "why" investing $##### amount is required if they have XXXX expectations they complain.

ALwin,

This entire thread originated as a rant with the premise:

1. Why is Mac Overpriced

2. Why is Mac underspeced

3. How can I have OSX while avoiding 1 and 2

 

Don't get me wrong, you know your stuff and I've referred to your material several times in the past. Understand that this is the future... people are making successful movies with cellphones and decent audio equipment... No, I don't mean Hollywood block busters, I mean digital shorts that's fun to make. While I enjoy making content and want to making a full time career out of it, personally I would never want to work in I guess what you seem to refer to as, "professional."

 

Your concept of success is what a lot of millennials aim to avoid. Most people I know in my age group would rather live humbly making enough to survive and working with close friends opposed to huge projects involving hundreds of employees. This is made possible thank to advancements in technology, consumer grade products are gaining closer and  closer to commercial. It's getting harder to tell what was made in Hollywood and what was made in a backyard...

 

Given, I don't know your age but given your wisdom I could only imagine it tail end of millennials or later. We always appreciate your critiques and advice but please know it's simply advice, people can take it or leave it, no one knows everything.

Respectfully,

A practical 20 year old from the Midwest