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[TriFlix Films]

7 minutes ago, terrytek said:

honestly i need a new gaming pc, or a new macbook pro for portability. a new gaming pc on pcpartpicker according to what i want is around 1500. the macbook pro starts at 2 grand, but education pricing  (do i have to be in college for that?) starts at 100 bucks lower, for the 15 inch model, which is the more powerful model.

 

really, any video editor that apple makes is really top notch. hell, even imovie is 100x better than windows movie maker, because the graphics for imovie and the transitions and everything just like blend in. on windows movie maker, everything is so abrupt, and jarring. i hate it.

Buy the laptop from Best Buy and ask for:

1) A Certified Refurb Model (Refurbed by Apple)

2) A Student Discount

3) A New to the Area Discount (Just say you recently moved to the area)

 

So $2000 Mac Laptop thats been refurbed marked down to $1800 + $200 off for students + 10% off for New to Area = $1440

 

You're welcome

[terrytek]

4 minutes ago, TriFlix Films said:

Buy the laptop from Best Buy and ask for:

1) A Certified Refurb Model (Refurbed by Apple)

2) A Student Discount

3) A New to the Area Discount (Just say you recently moved to the area)

 

So $2000 Mac Laptop thats been refurbed marked down to $1800 + $200 off for students + 10% off for New to Area = $1440

 

You're welcome

1. not a big fan of refurb. but does that mean it still comes with everything like a new macbook pro, including the original box?

2. i saw a student discount for apple, but would i have to be in college? or would a high schooler like me qualify?

3. not sure if i wanna lie. why is this even relevant tbh? but hey, if i can get some extra discounts, that works

 

i like these tips, a good 600 bucks off original.

[TriFlix Films]

2 minutes ago, terrytek said:

1. not a big fan of refurb. but does that mean it still comes with everything like a new macbook pro, including the original box?

2. i saw a student discount for apple, but would i have to be in college? or would a high schooler like me qualify?

3. not sure if i wanna lie. why is this even relevant tbh? but hey, if i can get some extra discounts, that works

 

i like these tips, a good 600 bucks off original.

1. Yeah, its everything and all apple products must be reburished by Apple to be sold in retail so you're fine. Same box and parts.
2. Best Buy is usually flexible when it comes to student discounts, I got them in high school
3. I understand not wanting to lie, have any friends that recently moved to the area? Best Buy doesn't ask for proof or anything. Someone just needs to mention it.

[terrytek]

1 minute ago, TriFlix Films said:

1. Yeah, its everything and all apple products must be reburished by Apple to be sold in retail so you're fine. Same box and parts.
2. Best Buy is usually flexible when it comes to student discounts, I got them in high school
3. I understand not wanting to lie, have any friends that recently moved to the area? Best Buy doesn't ask for proof or anything. Someone just needs to mention it.

1. ok, but i'm still kinda on edge about refurbished parts. i bought a computer for my dad last year, refurbished for like 800 bucks. but like the next month, the computer shit on itself.

2. ok good to know. do you think apple's education discount applies to high school students too?

3.kinda weird how they don't ask for proof. like don't they know there could be people trying to take advantage of the system? and also, what does location have to do with getting a discount?

[HeadsUpHigh]

http://create.pro/configure

 

The closest thing you can get to an actual mac pro with new hardware and it's a bit better and more stable than building the hackintosh yourself

[KWelz]

Refurb is indeed often the way to go with apple.   I have purchased many that way.   Best Buy does have certified refurbished.  You can also get them directly from apple and through Microcenter.   I got a top end Macbook with 512Gb SSD last week for 1100.  New it is around 1600.  It was in perfect condition and just like new except for the refurbished sticker.  Has the same apple 1 year warranty and is eligible for applecare 

[TriFlix Films]

24 minutes ago, HeadsUpHigh said:

http://create.pro/configure

 

The closest thing you can get to an actual mac pro with new hardware and it's a bit better and more stable than building the hackintosh yourself

At first I was skeptical but, to be honest the site isn't that over priced when compared to apple themselves but have the option of some crazy customability.

 

To build my $1700 Hackintosh it would cost about $2300 dollars and it would be an actual Mac  Only issue is I live in the US and imagine there would be some additional underlining fees.

• $600 to do it myself? Worth it.
• Will I have headaches and nightmares over the difficulty to get it running knowing it'll never run OSX and FCP as well as the actual Mac? Most definantly
• With $600 I could buy a 1080 or AMD equivalent when it's released
• Have a 970 and a 1080 in my rig, 970 for OSX and 1080 for Windows

It's up to the individual, but this website is definantly the way to go if you want a non-refurbished Apple for specific high-end needs like video editing. Great find.

[HeadsUpHigh]

9 minutes ago, TriFlix Films said:

At first I was skeptical but, to be honest the site isn't that over priced when compared to apple themselves but have the option of some crazy customability.

 

To build my $1700 Hackintosh it would cost about $2300 dollars and it would be an actual Mac  Only issue is I live in the US and imagine there would be some additional underlining fees.

• $600 to do it myself? Worth it.
• Will I have headaches and nightmares over the difficulty to get it running knowing it'll never run OSX and FCP as well as the actual Mac? Most definantly
• With $600 I could buy a 1080 or AMD equivalent when it's released
• Have a 970 and a 1080 in my rig, 970 for OSX and 1080 for Windows

It's up to the individual, but this website is definantly the way to go if you want a non-refurbished Apple for specific high-end needs like video editing. Great find.

its not a mac its a hackintosh with an apple-styled website. I have no personal experience about this stuff but as far as I know home-built hackintosh machines are considered very unstable and a pain to build. If you want a hobby machine then make it yourself if you want to do something proffesional with it then it might be better to buy it from them since they probably know better. That's all.

 

Funny thing facebook suggested this site on an ad after I posted on this thread hmmm...

[iamdarkyoshi]

18 hours ago, -iSynthesis said:

Well Microsoft gives the Option to upgrade, why the hell would you not do it, lol. A normal User, who wants to use his PC normally and has no idea how to clean install an OS is ignorant and lazy to you? If Microsoft gives the option it damn has to work otherwise its Microsoft fault for implementing something which doesn't work.

This needs to be printed, preferrably in comic sans, copied, and send to M$.

[ALwin]

2 hours ago, terrytek said:

the macbook pro starts at 2 grand, but education pricing  (do i have to be in college for that?) starts at 100 bucks lower

Register as a business customer at the Apple Store, you get a 10% discount on main products and somewhat lower discount on accessories. Well, at least where I live they offer that.

 

53 minutes ago, TriFlix Films said:

Will I have headaches and nightmares over the difficulty to get it running knowing it'll never run OSX and FCP as well as the actual Mac? Most definantly

When you work in an environment where time is a factor or where projects have a short deadline or products have to be produced quickly, the headaches and nightmares will not be worth the $1700 or so you save.

[TriFlix Films]

16 minutes ago, ALwin said:

When you work in an environment where time is a factor or where projects have a short deadline or products have to be produced quickly, the headaches and nightmares will not be worth the $1700 or so you save.

You must be from a different part of US, my culture thrives on stressful situations and stress Its our motivation. Makes us work harder to get things done.

 

Once a Hackintosh is up and running their failure rate isn't much higher than normal windows, mostly depends on the hardware you choose. The headaches are during the building process.

[ALwin]

7 minutes ago, TriFlix Films said:

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I live in Switzerland.  Try working as a real video producer, you haven't seen stress until you are required to film, edit and produce/broadcast several items a day or pack your camera bag and head out to cover some events with a few minutes of notice.

 

 

3 hours ago, TriFlix Films said:

the only laptops I recommend are the custom built Sager's

And one of the reasons I can manage and do my job is because of Apple's MacBook Pros which weigh a lot less and easier to carry around than Windows based concrete bricks.

[TriFlix Films]

1 minute ago, ALwin said:

I live in Switzerland.  Try working as a real video producer, you haven't seen stress until you are required to film, edit and produce/broadcast several items a day or pack you camera bag and head out to cover some events with a few minutes of notice.

Sounds like fun You must be very happy with your occupation, stress can be a wonderful tool. But always remember quality > quantity.

[ALwin]

14 minutes ago, TriFlix Films said:

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I love my job, I live to work and travel all around the world with my camera.

 

True, quality is important.  Which is why having the right tools, that are solid and reliable is very important, even if they are initially expensive.  But the return of investment is worth it.  Last year I spent around $15,000.00 on a new camera and accessories and now it's been about eight months since and I've already recuperated roughly ten times my initial investment working with that camera alone.

[TriFlix Films]

17 minutes ago, ALwin said:

What he said^

Traveling on the go = Mac Book (makes sense)

I can throw together good quality faster on dads my old Mac (2011 iMAC $3500 when bought) than my new PC (GPU 5 times faster than the mac according to GPU Comparrison).

 

The mac just doesnt have the "horse-power" for 3D rendering, Fume Effects, VFX, that I needed which is why I built my PC. I care more about perfect explosions and effects than story #MichaelBay #Expendables #WarcraftMovie #RED #DeadPool

 

Our choices seem to make sense based on the content we create

[laminutederire]

I don't like at all Apple's philosophy of the black box, but it's interesting to see they don't use nvidia's hardware that much!

Haven't they signed a contract with amd to use their gpu only for a given time-frame?

 

To the OP, windows isn't hard to use, don't limit yourself to only OSX. I personnally never used OSX because I'm poor, but I know all OS are different and they offer both advantages and drawbacks, so saying OSX is better than Windows is plainly wrong.

 

It is like saying the 30ko microej OS is worse than Linux  because you can do less stuffs with it. You can do less stuffs,  but it's 30ko so you can run it on basically anything, and you can use those better in embedded systems. Intended use are everything. And if you want a really beastly machine for gaming or for some other heavy tasks, you are better off building your own PC with Windows and Linux

[ALwin]

1 hour ago, TriFlix Films said:

Our choices seem to make sense based on the content we create

You and I work in completely different levels of video production.  I work mainly as a freelance professional ENG and documentary producer for large agencies, not indie, where I don't need to work heavily in 3D effects.  You were as an amateur indie video maker (I'm assuming).

 

But if I were going to get involved in 3D effects, special effects, motion graphics, I'd still spend around $10,000.00 on a fully rigged out Mac Pro, perhaps $2000.00-3000.00 each on multiple Eizo ColorEdge monitors and spend around another $10,000.00+ or so on software like AutoDesk Flame or Nuke. Because if I start taking up projects that require those sort of 3D animations and special effects, I'll be working on the type of stuff where clients expect high quality work.

 

The primary reason I haven't purchased a Mac Pro is because the new model uses an AMD GPU and I want a nVidia Quadro.

 

I need to be able to collaborate with other people who work on the projects with me and need to be able to run the same tools they use.

 

So no, our choices are not based on the content we create.  Mine is based on what I require from my hardware, which it has to be reliable, works with the least possible failure rate, and be able to handle my work.  Without having to think about what I need to tweak or do to coax the hardware into running smoothly.

[TriFlix Films]

24 minutes ago, ALwin said:

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While amatuer (no offense taken) is probably the most suitable word given, I am only 20 with no formal training in filmmaking, I started 8 years ago... thats nearly half my life dedicated to filmmaking. I've been enrolled in engineering course since 10 (half my life).

 

If you measure success by money... no I am not successful. But I measure it by reaching established goals... I am an overachiever.

 

I don't have clients, I have audiences. I don't recieve money, I recieve compliments.

 

To you I am an amatuer, a hobbyist, an enthusiast. But what I do still generates passive income. I have a full time job and full time school, yet manage to put aside 40+ hours a week for filmmaking with occassional clients, often times working for free. My job is considered lower-middle class as I do make more than twice the minimum wage, that would be 29,000 before tax and 22,000 a year after tax. It's all in the cards.

 

Objectively: You're right Nvidia usually beats AMD in VFX/3D thanks to CUDA cores.

[ALwin]

31 minutes ago, TriFlix Films said:

If you measure success by money... no I am not successful. But I measure it by reaching established goals... I am an overachiever.

I'm not measuring any success levels or achievements. I am stating: because we work in two different levels of video production, where we have different budgets, different work pressures/schedules, different requirements of outputs... we prioritize different needs in our hardware.

 

I am fairly positive, if you worked full time as a video producer and wasn't a student, where you are required to output the necessary videos on a timely basis, you'd invest in a hardware which gave you the least amount of headaches. Because missing a deadline or a production schedule could cost you either income or your job.

 

Regardless if the hardware was a Mac, or a DELL/HP workstation or even something you built yourself.

 

Which goes back to the topic of why some people prefer to pay more for Apple computers over building one themselves for less the cost or better performance.

 

Personally I don't care about Apple vs non-Apple debates, I find many of the people who bring up these topics to be morons.  I don't care if someone buys an overpriced piece of junk or underpriced trash, it's their money to waste.  But what I do care about are people who seem to NOT understand various reasons why people make different choices and tend to put people into stereotypes.

 

 

31 minutes ago, TriFlix Films said:

If you measure success by money... no I am not successful. But I measure it by reaching established goals... I am an overachiever.

 

I don't have clients, I have audiences. I don't recieve money, I recieve compliments.

This is good if you're single.  But once you start a family... good luck paying your bills, supporting your family, sending your kids to school, paying their medical bills, etc.

 

This statement you made seems to be the attitude of many millennials, several of them I can count amongst my friends.  Yet quite a number of them seem to have a hard time finding even part time work and still living off their parents.

 

It's not wrong to seek compliments and have fans, but make sure you are able to put bread on the table for your family at the end of the day.

[TriFlix Films]

42 minutes ago, ALwin said:

This is good if you're single.  But once you start a family... good luck paying your bills, supporting your family, sending your kids to school, paying their medical bills, etc.

 

This statement you made seems to be the attitude of many millennials, several of them I can count amongst my friends.  Yet quite a number of them seem to have a hard time finding even part time work and still living off their parents.

 

It's not wrong to seek compliments and have fans, but make sure you are able to put bread on the table for your family at the end of the day.

Ever wonder why I am in college? Ever read the multiple times I shared over half my life has been engineering?

 

I am halfway through my degree and the starting salary is $70,000, I am debt free because I work my ass off and my family is supportive.

 

Engineering however, is only a fall back if I am unable to maintain the lifestyle I want with film. If I pursue film and succeed I will happily never use my $35000 degree. There are 10 year old youtubers/twitch streamers/podcasters/anythings that produce poorly edited content but still make thousands of dollars per week... it's not that hard. You just have to find a niche.

 

The statement you made seems to be the attitude of many people that came before millennials where they look down on those without knowing the full story or ignore half of it to make a point. If there is anything actually wrong with millennials or their mindset, who is to blame?

 

"They are because millennials are spoiled and don't take responsibility for their actions." For some this may be true, but lets look at the people that raised them... what generation taught millennials to take loans they couldn't pay off, that college was needed to be successful, one is defined by their possessions.

 

Luckily my parents weren't like this and the aspects of the above that did apply to them, they used to teach me to avoid. Your brush is broad sir, your brush is broad.

 

Despite all that, I do enjoy a good debate (not an argument). Truly a pleasure to converse with you. One thing my family taught me it to challenge/question everything but also be open minded and willing to learn. With that being said, do you have any short films/videos you've created over the years that I could watch/observe/study for educational purposes as I do respect and appreciate your thoughts.

[ALwin]

1 hour ago, TriFlix Films said:

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For someone who calls himself a millennial who doesn't care, you sure seem to take things a bit personally.

 

10 hours ago, TriFlix Films said:

the cool part about the millennials I know is we don't care.

You also seem to enjoy labeling yourself a millennial.

 

Good for you that you are going to school and is debt free.  But don't be too hasty to blame everyone in the previous generation just because there are many other people in your generation who aren't.  People have free will, if they allow their nurturing to dictate what they can or cannot do, or should or should not do, part of the blame lies in their own inability to use their intelligence or common sense.

 

Whether one needs to attend college to be successful or not is a matter of debate.  However education is important, so if anyone wants to ignore that.. they do so at their own risk of peril.  As for material possessions, again it is debatable since it depends on what possessions people are talking about.  If possessing a house or apartment so that you have a place to call home is a sin, I for one will be glad to commit that sin any day.

 

As for employment, salaries, incomes... never trust that the future will work out.  People have to work for it, it doesn't fall on their laps gift wrapped with everything taken care of.

 

Here's one of my team's productions, from about three weeks ago. I recommend you watch around the 36:30 mark.  Not our best work, but one of the most interesting.  It's not even an edited work, as this was a live broadcast.

 

Another lesson you can take from this video (besides the comment by Jeff which I think you should listen to): familiarize yourself with the gear you are not used to using.  I was in charge of the broadcasting, so the camera was handled by someone else who wasn't familiar with the balancing of my tripod.

 

 

This is one of the better productions I worked on, with another team, from a few years ago.  I can't recall why it wasn't uploaded in HD though.

 

Though recently I am doing more interviews and a bit less documentaries

 

[BingoFishy]

On 6/20/2016 at 2:20 AM, itsmyjobtoknow said:

The chip itself is overclockable. Its the motherboard the the bios that Apple has created that is preventing it from being overclocked. 

It throttles anyways

[TriFlix Films]

32 minutes ago, ALwin said:

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There is no denying, you are good at what you do. Thank you for being patient with me and taking the time to share your work. I by no means claim to know everything and the work you do is out of my element, I appreciate giving me the opportunity to learn from it.

 

Have a good day, or to what I believe to be a good night (time zone differences).

 

As far as the thread topic goes, I think it's agreeable that each company markets to difference consumers and while we are both in filmmaking... even then there are times when one option is better than another. Best of luck with your freelance work.

[Kimmers]

You can use the same argument with workstation PCs. A 1080 would offer so much more value than a Quadro for gaming but guess what, the Quadro isn't meant for gaming. Contrary to this forum's belief, the world doesn't revolve solely around price to performance PC gaming. Different markets have different needs and Apple as a company understands this better than anyone else.

 

Refurb is indeed often the way to go with apple.   I have purchased many that way.   Best Buy does have certified refurbished.  You can also get them directly from apple and through Microcenter.   I got a top end Macbook with 512Gb SSD last week for 1100.  New it is around 1600.  It was in perfect condition and just like new except for the refurbished sticker.  Has the same apple 1 year warranty and is eligible for applecare 

 

Refurb is a fantastic way to go, especially since Apple is currently slow about updating their Macs so their 2015 models are pretty much the same as their 2016. The only problem with refurbs is that the popular configurations quickly go out of stock.

[ALwin]

7 hours ago, Kimmers said:

Contrary to this forum's belief, the world doesn't revolve solely around price to performance PC gaming.

Agreed!