The FBI Likely Has You in its Facial Recognition Database

[SurvivorNVL]

I wonder what is scarier?  A government unbeholden to the Constitution or a government agency no longer beholden to that same government.  It's an interesting thought.

On this topic, though, the FBI should be turning their database toward everywhere -but- American citizens, unless they're suspected of something, and I am sure they don't suspect hundreds of millions of Americans of--never mind, they probably do.  Somehow.  Seeing as how they're incompetently going about their attempts at trading Privacy for "security"(what with all the terrorism still happening) maybe we should just go back to complete privacy.

On another note:  I am definitely on this list.  In the last year, or even the last week I have Googled:  Used a VPN, Googled information about other VPN's, looked at Guns online, Googled Linux, and human traf--I mean, cookie recipes.

[stconquest]

Good news!  I have just finished refining my anti-facial recognition moisturizing face cream, with UV protection.

 

Yes, now you can keep you skin soft all day long while protecting it from dirt and the harmful rays of the sun all the while keeping those pesky government agents from accurately photographing the dimensions of you facial features.

 

Act fast!  As a limited time offer, for the price of a single 40ml tube ($99.99) you get a second 40ml tube absolutely free!

[Daegun]

So the FBI has access to pictures the police already do? Yes, so scared. The only problems here are the false positives that was brought up. And blaming the FBI? Blame your state for making a deal to give them the photos.

[DXMember]

no biggie...

we store not only facial photos from documents of the citizens but also fingerprints from the same document issues,

just this year there was a guy completely unconscious that got into reanimation without any documents with him and within matter of minutes they were able to ID him and contact relatives, so it also serves the citizens

there was also incident where a woman that was trying to get a drivers license renewal for her twin sister and again thanks to the biometric system that keeps civil data it was uncovered

 

what is wrong though is to search civil records for a hit of latent data

[DXMember]

9 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Good news!  I have just finished refining my anti-facial recognition moisturizing face cream, with UV protection.

 

Yes, now you have keep you skin moist all day long while protecting it from dirt and the harmful rays of the sun all the while keeping those pesky government agents from accurately photographing the dimensions of you facial features.

 

Act fast!  As a limited time offer, for the price of a single 40ml tube ($99.99) you get a second 40ml tube absolutely free!

is this real? do those work in that way?

[stconquest]

6 minutes ago, DXMember said:

is this real? do those work in that way?

no, not yet anyway

[PirateCoffee]

but I'm not american..

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, PirateCoffee said:

but I'm not american..

Doesn't matter. They'll find some way. When they do, they'll put a mugshot of you in their database. and your identity will be known forever!

[Tuturu]

If you ever walked through a casino, your face is in a database somewhere.

[Trik'Stari]

44 minutes ago, ThatCoolBlueKidd said:

What I mean here is, I'd rather something like the NSA snooping happened if they manage to prevent terrorist attacks, etc. Yes there are things Im embarrassed about, but Im not about to go live off grid. Legally, you can be photographed in public as long as you are in a public environment in which you are in a circumstance you may expect to be recorded, which is anywhere that isn't private property / bathrooms etc. The government already has access to my birth records, school records, drivers & power boat licences, HKID, bank accounts, taxes etc. I really see no difference. They have access to my fingerprint and access to my face, something I am quite alright with. Am I alright with someone like Google having my fingerprint? A little less so but I am still okay with it if it means I can unlock my phone through a fingerprint reader.

 

I'd really like to see what the government can do with my fingerprint and face that they couldn't already do. I'm not the leader of some underground criminal organization and really feel that there is nothing wrong with government agenices having pictures of your face and/or fingerprints.

The NSA spying program has not stopped a single terrorist attack (that we know of).

 

This likely hasn't either. Considering we just had a terrorist attack by someone who had been investigated by the FBI twice, for terrorism, I don't see this actually doing anything either, except maybe generating a shit load of false positives and harming innocent people. (harm not meaning physical harm, meaning inconveniencing and intruding on the life of a person who is innocent)

[stconquest]

6 hours ago, SurvivorNVL said:

I wonder what is scarier?  A government unbeholden to the Constitution or a government agency no longer beholden to that same government.  It's an interesting thought.

On this topic, though, the FBI should be turning their database toward everywhere -but- American citizens, unless they're suspected of something, and I am sure they don't suspect hundreds of millions of Americans of--never mind, they probably do.  Somehow.  Seeing as how they're incompetently going about their attempts at trading Privacy for "security"(what with all the terrorism still happening) maybe we should just go back to complete privacy.

On another note:  I am definitely on this list.  In the last year, or even the last week I have Googled:  Used a VPN, Googled information about other VPN's, looked at Guns online, Googled Linux, and human traf--I mean, cookie recipes.

Neither.  A population brainwashed to unwittingly support corporate interests, interests that now control a good percentage of the legislative branch of the government.

 

Everyone is quick to blame a corrupt government, what about a corrupt populous?  Incremental misinformation spread to the masses to form a web of intellectual corruption that leads to a public support system that can be manipulated for any means desired by those corporate interests.

 

Government employees can be held accountable.  What about the loudmouths in the reg. pop?  Guys like Donald Trump... all about the second amendment, quickly turns around and does things that ethically violate the first amendment... his supporters then cheer him on.

 

"Go away media, I have these suckers in the palms of my little hands"

[Trik'Stari]

6 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Neither.  A population brainwashed to unwittingly support corporate interests, interests that now control a good percentage of the legislative branch of the government.

 

Everyone is quick to blame a corrupt government, what about a corrupt populous?  Incremental misinformation spread to the masses to form a web of intellectual corruption that leads to a public support system that can be manipulated for any means desired by those corporate interests.

Agreed.

 

We are now in a place where we, for some reason, support sociopathic corporations that actively corrupt our government, then, if the government does anything about it the corporations start firing people and calling the government "anti-business" and we complain about losing our shit jobs.

 

Just let the economic collapse come. We need a hard-reset of society. Everyone is to blame. The government, the corporations, and most of all us. Apathetic fools who sit around saying "well everyone spies on you." "I have nothing to hide from government/corporations who cares, you're just paranoid".

[DXMember]

20 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Doesn't matter. They'll find some way. When they do, they'll put a mugshot of you in their database. and your identity will be known forever!

but that's good, you wouldn't want someone to go in a bank robbery, get arrested and then say it was AluminiumTech and you have no way of proving otherwise

[NumLock21]

Pics from passports?

They must have this.

 

Spoiler

 

[stconquest]

6 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Agreed.

 

We are now in a place where we, for some reason, support corrupt corporations that actively corrupt our government, then, if the government does anything about it the corporations start firing people and calling the government "anti-business" and we complain about losing our shit jobs.

 

Just let the economic collapse come. We need a hard-reset of society.

That is so not happening for bad reasons and for good.  A hard reset is exactly that, hard.  Disguarding all the really good laws in the USA because of a select group of bad ones will be disastrous.

 

Corporate interests at least have a ideology that involves self preservation.  Things will keep on, similar to the way it is now.  They start believing they can't be stopped.  One day, hopefully without violence, they will be... maybe.

 

I would love to really get into this, but I won't be able to today.  @Trik'Stari

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, DXMember said:

but that's good, you wouldn't want someone to go in a bank robbery, get arrested and then say it was AluminiumTech and you have no way of proving otherwise

But the guy I was quoting did care......

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, DXMember said:

but that's good, you wouldn't want someone to go in a bank robbery, get arrested and then say it was AluminiumTech and you have no way of proving otherwise

And what if someone commits said robbery, and the facial recognition says that it was AluminiumTech, when it wasn't?

 

This is what will result from this system. Very few criminals will be caught compared to the number of false positives that will invariably happen.

[Garfieldus]

I've been changing my passport in EU and it's required to have photo and fingerprint taken in order to get one.

[DXMember]

11 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

And what if someone commits said robbery, and the facial recognition says that it was AluminiumTech, when it wasn't?

 

This is what will result from this system. Very few criminals will be caught compared to the number of false positives that will invariably happen.

no it won't,

first of all a human expert is supposed to approve the match, the automatic biometric systems are only used for sifting trough large sets of data and filtering out obvious misses

plus I don't know the US laws on this kind of matter but where I live it is illegal to use crime scene biometry for matching in civil data bases, but if you have apprehended a suspect then you can ask for his ID and verify the identity using a 1 to 1 record matching, if he refuses to reveal the identity or impersonates identity it's okay to take a picture of the apprehended suspect and ID him in civil data

 

I hope I made the difference clear... in summary it's OK to ID a suspect that's in custody, but you absolutely cannot use shots from security cameras to make identification requests in civil data in order to bring in the suspect

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, DXMember said:

no it won't,

first of all a human expert is supposed to approve the match, the automatic biometric systems are only used for sifting trough large sets of data and filtering out obvious misses

plus I don't know the US laws on this kind of matter but it is illegal to use crime scene biometry for matching in civil data bases, but if you have apprehended a suspect then you can ask for his ID and verify the identity using a 1 to 1 record matching, if he refuses to reveal the identity or impersonates identity it's okay to take a picture of the apprehended suspect and ID him in civil data

 

I hope I made the difference clear... in summary it's OK to ID a suspect that's in custody, but you absolutely cannot use shots from security cameras to make identification requests in civil data in order to bring in the suspect

If that's true, if the images being stored by the FBI count as "civil data", then it can only be used when a suspect is already in custody?

 

That makes very little sense.

[SurvivorNVL]

22 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Neither.  A population brainwashed to unwittingly support corporate interests, interests that now control a good percentage of the legislative branch of the government.

 

Everyone is quick to blame a corrupt government, what about a corrupt populous?  Incremental misinformation spread to the masses to form a web of intellectual corruption that leads to a public support system that can be manipulated for any means desired by those corporate interests.

 

Government employees can be held accountable.  What about the loudmouths in the reg. pop?  Guys like Donald Trump that is all about the second amendment, quickly turns around and does things that ethically violate the first amendment... his supporters then cheer him on.

 

"Go away media, I have these suckers in the palms of my little hands"

There're only two ways that this itself can be solved.  First, we must all follow in my footsteps and burn away our fingerprints through chemo medication.  Secondly.  We need a real reset.  Wipe regulations from society, re-do the stupid copyright laws we have, and then go about forming a new set of rules for term limits, and ending lobbying.  The only way that'll succeed is in an -actual- democracy, which're terribly ineffective or having a civil war, which isn't inevitable, but seems to get closer to a reality as days march on, that or WW3, which also could help straighten out the corruption of society.  Nothing like millions dying to put life in to perspective.

[DXMember]

1 minute ago, Trik'Stari said:

If that's true, if the images being stored by the FBI count as "civil data", then it can only be used when a suspect is already in custody?

 

That makes very little sense.

you can't use civil data for solving crimes

civil data is supposed to be used for verifying the identity when you renew your documents or withdraw large sums of money from your bank account for example

 

plus if an automated biometrics system gives a large number of false positives, that system is completely useless and nobody will keep using it

[AlTech]

3 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

If that's true, if the images being stored by the FBI count as "civil data", then it can only be used when a suspect is already in custody?

 

That makes very little sense.

Let's be honest and not kid ourselves here. When was the last time any American Agency made sense?

[Trik'Stari]

3 minutes ago, DXMember said:

you can't use civil data for solving crimes

civil data is supposed to be used for verifying the identity when you renew your documents or withdraw large sums of money from your bank account for example

 

plus if an automated biometrics system gives a large number of false positives, that system is completely useless and nobody will keep using it

Well it would seem that the FBI intends to do exactly that. Why else would they be gather civil data for facial recognition purposes? Remember, the government can't really break the law. Well, they can and do, but nothing ever really gets done about it, especially if no one is paying attention.

 

3 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

There're only two ways that this itself can be solved.  First, we must all follow in my footsteps and burn away our fingerprints through chemo medication.  Secondly.  We need a real reset.  Wipe regulations from society, re-do the stupid copyright laws we have, and then go about forming a new set of rules for term limits, and ending lobbying.  The only way that'll succeed is in an -actual- democracy, which're terribly ineffective or having a civil war, which isn't inevitable, but seems to get closer to a reality as days march on, that or WW3, which also could help straighten out the corruption of society.  Nothing like millions dying to put life in to perspective.

We need to completely redo the copyright system regardless.

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Let's be honest and not kid ourselves here. When was the last time any American Agency made sense?

Well, the FCC seems to be the only agency that's actually doing something good.

[stconquest]

3 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

There're only two ways that this itself can be solved.  First, we must all follow in my footsteps and burn away our fingerprints through chemo medication.  Secondly.  We need a real reset.  Wipe regulations from society, re-do the stupid copyright laws we have, and then go about forming a new set of rules for term limits, and ending lobbying.  The only way that'll succeed is in an -actual- democracy, which're terribly ineffective or having a civil war, which isn't inevitable, but seems to get closer to a reality as days march on, that or WW3, which also could help straighten out the corruption of society.  Nothing like millions dying to put life in to perspective.

You are way farther out than I would care to follow... I mean, whoa.

 

Do you really see you point of view as involving real solutions?  I don't see how what you said fixes anything.