1070 or Duel 480?

[Suika]

16 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

I can tell you are a fanboy. Freesync and G sync do the same exact thing. Both are identical except Nvidia charges way to much for a proprietary module that is not needed.

G-Sync and FreeSync are designed to do the same thing, but G-Sync's implementation seemed to be slightly superior and favored by the majority. You're paying the premium for a reason it seems. The matter of, "is it worth it," is completely subjective and I'd argue no, the difference is slight and not worth $150, but there is a difference at all.

 

Of course that could have changed since the last experiment, though.

[Dackzy]

On 1/6/2016 at 10:52 PM, App4that said:

No, this has been covered in other topics. AMD used different graphics setting between the two. And crossfire only works some of the time while the 1080 is a 1080 all of the time.

No no they did not, Nvidia had a flaw in their driver or what it was so it did not render all of the snow, so the AMD cards worked harder.

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/ac88258f-4541-408e-8234-f9e96febe303

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/6b9e8c43-df70-4cec-8ddb-b209c0316fa8

[chaython]

32 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Actually if you have any sort of overclock on the 980ti it beats it by 5%-20%. The 1070 scores a graphics score of 9386 when overclocked, source Awesome Sauce Network Benchmarks. My GTX980ti which has a nice overclock on it nothing too extreme, gets 10331 on the graphics score. The 1070 is not an amazing card that beats the 980ti. It beats a refrence 980ti with no overclock, which all of the benchmark are using when compared to an OCed 1070. The card sucks and it costs too much. I would get the RX480X as it has both GPUs on one chip so cooling is easier and you have the option of getting another. Also with DX12 coming it doesn't use CF or SLI so GPU scaling is close to 1:1. I also don't see any games going backwards so all new AAA games will use Vulkan or DX12. With these also comes things like async which makes AMD way ahead of Nvidia. Personally I would just wait and see but the 490 might be a good choice for you

Th RX480x is not dual chip?it was a single low end chip? Or am I mistaken? Anyways crossfire still lacks support so it won't be better. Also sure the last gen Nvidia performs better than a 1070;however after some math; I'd save $26 on electricity a year by getting the much lower wattage of a 1070. In Canada the GX 1070 can be price matched to $570[600 after tax] other wise you can get a 980ti for 500; sure it's faster but as drivers age the 1070 will be better and will allow you to make your money back over time.

[chamath]

My recommendation is GTX 1070.

 

I would recommend Rx 480 in a world where both developers and graphic card manufacturers fully support mult-gpu configuration and utilize extra GPUs fully. Theoretically, from two card you can get double the performance. But that does not happen always. Not all developers utilise SLI or crossfire fully. If a game does not support SLI/crossfire, second GPU will stay idle. Sometimes at the point of release all game does not support this, it takes some time. Ashes of singularity is a special case, most of other games will not share the same trend.

 

From what I have heard, it best to buy fastest single graphic card that your budget can handle (Titan cards are exceptions) . If you are willing to spend more than $1000 on a GPU and want the best performance, go with mult-gpu configuration.

[10degnorth]

I am planning to use dual rx480's so that i can work my way up to more speed as i get the money to upgrade.

[App4that]

3 hours ago, rye10516 said:

First off, the guy that makes those videos is retarded. 2nd, here is a screenshot from one of his videos: 

So unless you live in a world where the Witcher 3 is the only game in existence, you are just plain wrong and I'm appalled that you have 10k+ posts. The false advice you must have given to people over the years...

Ugh... Listen close sport. The 980ti used is a reference 980ti clocked at 1025MHz, most 980ti's hit 1450MHz. But here's a more recent look at the two.

 

As you can see the reference 980ti and 1070 trade blows when overclocked. As the 980ti is better for Video editing (citation below) at the same price the 980ti is the better choice.

 

 

Welcome to the forums. You'll troll and talk shit and be gone. We see people like you all the time.

[xAcid9]

Both in different price and performance range yet similar.  If you can afford the more expensive 1070 then grab that but i suggest wait for 480 reviews first.

 

Big NO to Dual mid-end cards unless RTG put some magic into the 480 but i doubt that'll happen. 
 

[SteveGrabowski0]

Multi card support has been particularly horrendous in 2016. I would touch dual gpus with a ten foot pole now. I mean look at the DX12 support: 

 

     

[SteveGrabowski0]

And DX11 it isn't very good either. I mean this is a really bleak picture for multi gpu support in recent games:

 

 

25% scaling on 980 Ti SLI in ROTR

 

 

 

Nothing in Just Cause 3

 

 

 

29% scaling on 980 Ti in Hitman DX11

 

 

 

0% scaling on R9 295x2 vs R9 290x in Dark Souls III

 

 

 

The Division actually scales pretty well at 66% on 980 Ti SLI

 

 

 

Back to crap again with 32% scaling on 980 Ti SLI in Far Cry Primal

 

 

 

Nothing whatsoever on Doom

 

 

 

44% scaling on R9 295x2 vs R9 290x and similar in HD 7990 vs HD 7970, 0% scaling on Nvidia in Total War Warhammer

 

 

 

40% scaling on 980 SLI in Mirrors Edge Catalyst

[Dackzy]

2 hours ago, chaython said:

I am a Nvidia fanboy; because my first high end AMD GPU, the 7970 died, in a year. I have never had a problem with any of my Nvidia GPUs. Lot's of older ports; use physx also major titles such as Batman Arkham and Mafia. Nvidia has much more optimized drivers; profiles are released closer to launch[generally] for new games. Crossfire is rarely utilized, sli is rarely utilized as well. however Nvidia tries to pump out sli profiles at launch... Gsync is better than free sync but, overpriced....

Awww QQ you have had one AMD card die on you and therefore all AMD cards are bad, guess what I have had two 780ti die on me, with the longest lasting one of them  just under 7 months. Did that make me hate Nvidia no, did I become a AMD fanboy no, because I know that sometimes shit happens and don't go all QQ about it and think that Nvidia is bad. There will always be some few product out of a full line up, that will have some kind of flaw they did not see.

Have you seen Nvidia drivers lately they are so bad it is insane how bad they are.

G-Sync is slightly better than FreeSync, but also has a 100$+ premium.

AMD and Nvidia CF and SLI drivers for games are out about the same time maybe a day in difference most times.

[App4that]

4 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

Awww QQ you have had one AMD card die on you and therefore all AMD cards are bad, guess what I have had two 780ti die on me, with the longest lasting one of them  just under 7 months. Did that make me hate Nvidia no, did I become a AMD fanboy no, because I know that sometimes shit happens and don't go all QQ about it and think that Nvidia is bad. There will always be some few product out of a full line up, that will have some kind of flaw they did not see.

Have you seen Nvidia drivers lately they are so bad it is insane how bad they are.

G-Sync is slightly better than FreeSync, but also has a 100$+ premium.

AMD and Nvidia CF and SLI drivers for games are out about the same time maybe a day in difference most times.

Last two drivers have been spot on. So you can stop with the old news. I actually got more overclocking headroom on the last driver.

 

I've had both AMD and Nvidia. Both release some shit drivers and both have better ones. Unless you're playing a game effected by the new driver you wait for feedback or run some tests after insulation.

[Nena Trinity]

Wait for Vega, wait for benchmark or be a sucker...

[Dackzy]

7 minutes ago, App4that said:

Last two drivers have been spot on. So you can stop with the old news. I actually got more overclocking headroom on the last driver.

 

I've had both AMD and Nvidia. Both release some shit drivers and both have better ones. Unless you're playing a game effected by the new driver you wait for feedback or run some tests after insulation.

I have a small second HTPC with a 960 in it, even the new drivers has lots and lots of problem, so just because you don't have them doesn't mean that they aren't there.

 

You can also stop with all the 1080 was running at higher settings BS you say, did you even see the first response I did to you in this thread??

[Dackzy]

5 minutes ago, App4that said:

I've had both AMD and Nvidia. Both release some shit drivers and both have better ones. Unless you're playing a game effected by the new driver you wait for feedback or run some tests after insulation.

Yeah they both release shitty drivers, but lately Nvidia has been worse than AMD.

[Nena Trinity]

33 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

Yeah they both release shitty drivers, but lately Nvidia has been worse than AMD.

That is true sir!

[Bhav]

If you have a 970 or better (single or SLI), then the best thing to do would be to skip 1070 / 1080, at least in Europe where prices are so high.

 

Anything older than a 970 likely needs upgrading, but maybe still wait for the 480, or even the 1060 first if you are hesitant over the prices.

[Unhelpful]

idk why you'd possibly go dual 480 over 1080. Pretty similar in performance, but the 1080 will ALWAYS work.

 

One high end > 2 mid end, even if the mid end is pretty good.

[Bhav]

1 hour ago, App4that said:

Ugh... Listen close sport. The 980ti used is a reference 980ti clocked at 1025MHz, most 980ti's hit 1450MHz. But here's a more recent look at the two.

 

As you can see the reference 980ti and 1070 trade blows when overclocked. As the 980ti is better for Video editing (citation below) at the same price the 980ti is the better choice.

 

 

Welcome to the forums. You'll troll and talk shit and be gone. We see people like you all the time.

Yea Im hoping that that 980 Ti will drop in price to below the 1070.

[rye10516]

gtx 1070 drivers have been only out for like 3 days! 

[Webkitnote]

On 6/1/2016 at 10:54 PM, Michael McAllister said:

The 480 has not even been released yet.  Patience, grasshopper.

NO! I WANT ANSWERS AND I WANT THEM NOW!!!

[App4that]

5 hours ago, Dackzy said:

Yeah they both release shitty drivers, but lately Nvidia has been worse than AMD.

Then you didn't own a AMD card more than 6 months ago  Everyone has such short memory.

 

I never suffered any of the problems everyone else did, but I did notice some performance issues, which have been gone for over a month. You don't fight fanboying with more fanboying.

[Dackzy]

11 minutes ago, App4that said:

Then you didn't own a AMD card more than 6 months ago  Everyone has such short memory.

 

I never suffered any of the problems everyone else did, but I did notice some performance issues, which have been gone for over a month. You don't fight fanboying with more fanboying.

Oh I did I have had the backup GPU (HD 7950) for 8-9 months and the fix was very very fast out.

Trust me I am not a fanboy in anyway shape or form. I am as neutral as I can be and I choose the product that is best. I do like AMD a bit more this gen, because of DX12 and some other things, but then again if Nvidia was the one that had the better DX12 and the other things I would like them more.. I still have some problems with the gtx 960 in my HTPC, good thing that I will only have it for a week more.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Dackzy said:

Oh I did I have had the backup GPU (HD 7950) for 8-9 months and the fix was very very fast out.

Trust me I am not a fanboy in anyway shape or form. I am as neutral as I can be and I choose the product that is best. I do like AMD a bit more this gen, because of DX12 and some other things, but then again if Nvidia was the one that had the better DX12 and the other things I would like them more.. I still has some problems with the gtx 960 in my HTPC, good thing that I will only have it for a week more.

I get it. I like Nvidia a bit more because of the support they offer gaming. But mostly because NVidia has a better corporate attitude than AMD. But that's a separate discussion.

 

The sad reality is nether company offers proper driver support, and relies on misleading marketing like the relevance of Async and Tessellation.

 

Hopefully AMD comes out with a competitor for Pascal, the RX 480 is not competition. One powerful card will always be better until the driver support changes to support said configuration.

[BingoFishy]

On 6/1/2016 at 4:52 PM, App4that said:

No, this has been covered in other topics. AMD used different graphics setting between the two. And crossfire only works some of the time while the 1080 is a 1080 all of the time.

AMD proved this untrue. They used the same settings.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4m692q/concerning_the_aots_image_quality_controversy/

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

I get it. I like Nvidia a bit more because of the support they offer gaming. But mostly because NVidia has a better corporate attitude than AMD. But that's a separate discussion.

 

The sad reality is nether company offers proper driver support, and relies on misleading marketing like the relevance of Async and Tessellation.

 

Hopefully AMD comes out with a competitor for Pascal, the RX 480 is not competition. One powerful card will always be better until the driver support changes to support said configuration.

Vega is coming  The RX 480 is competition for pascal, just not for the higher end ones like the 1070 and 1080, it is for the 1060 and if we look at the former couple of gens it has been AMD that has had best price to performance up untill the really high end (1080ti/titan something). It also seems like AMD first drivers for their new cards are shit, but get better and better and better over time, it is good that they get better, but it is bad that they a lot ot the times start badly out, Nvidia is typically better at making better first drivers for new cards. I hope that we see something insane from both companies, so I can get the most for my money .

 

If the 1080ti is the best card this gen in 70-80% of things I will get that, but if not I am going with AMD because of DX12 and I am pretty sure that I will need the better DX12 support in a year.