8 SSD workstation Build

[alpenwasser]

<...storage-bench...>

Hehehe, nice!

 

Assuming sequential writes I could back up my entire media library within

less than 90 minutes with those speeds.

<...CPU-Z...>

I've never used CPU-Z (Linux guy), but just a quick question: Why is the clock speed

reported as 1199.72 MHz? Is that just throttling or have you underclocked your CPU

on purpose (or am I just too stupid to correctly interpret that screenshot)? Serious

question, no flaming.

[stevv]

madness indeed 

 

[Dani360c]

I've never used CPU-Z (Linux guy), but just a quick question: Why is the clock speed

reported as 1199.72 MHz? Is that just throttling or have you underclocked your CPU

on purpose (or am I just too stupid to correctly interpret that screenshot)? Serious

question, no flaming.

right under the clock speed you can see the multiplier, its 12-40. 12 x 100 (99,98) mhz is about 1200 (1199,72) mhz, its just in idle

[Advent]

If you are doing VM and gaming then you probably want an i5/i7 K series, 32 GB of 1600 RAM, ditch the 10 SSD's , get 1 x 1 TB EVO and get some 10K HDD RPM drives and put em in RAID 10 or do a Ramdisk. Do a custom cooling loop, get a Radeon R290X (or 2 of them) and waterblock both of them. Probably be cheaper than what you are doing now.

Even though you already purchased your parts I am going to put together a PC Part Picker list for you for what you should have purchased.
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I build nodes for  data centers in San Diego, NYC and UK and our builds cost maybe like.... $8,000 USD when all is said and done (labor, shipping etc). All they do is host VM's. NOTE: We have had very little failure with these SSD's in a RAID 10. I have gone through 400+ of these SSD's and only about a handful have failed since I have been using them. I have deployed probably 50 of these systems so far.

These boxes run HyperV and Windows Data Center 2012 R2. They are pure, raw power. These run 24/7. You do not need anything near as powerful as this. I don't care that you have a lot or money or that you think buy purchasing parts that you will never utilize fully you have a "mad machine". The only madness is the fact that you think any of what you purchased was a good idea.

You said you plan to overclock. You are going to be limited to 1600 MHz on the RAM then. So your super expensive 2400 MHz RAM is a total waste unless you don't OC. Also you aren't going to see that big an improvement on gaming/VM's going from 1600 MHz to 2400 MHz.

NODE PARTS :

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116937 - Xeon E5-2687W 8 Core CPU - $2,199.99
HEATSINK - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835114116 - Dynatron R9 60MM - $37.99
MOBO - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182333R - SuperMicro X9SRE-3F ATX - $247.99
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820239654&Tpk=KVR16LR11S4%2f8 - Kingston 8GB ECC DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) - $98.94 each x 8 = $791.52
RAID - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816103237 - Adaptec 7805 - $568.99
SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W00ZD1539 - Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB SSD$249.99 each x 10 = $2,499.99
CASE - http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=CA-825TR5B&c=fr&pid=94da0ef67b1401ff4c0062dce3459880a7db3beca2a840c906c65d6d2819a3ce&gclid=CPubm_fnnLsCFU0ypAod_DoAcQ - SuperMicro 2U Chassis w/ 8 x hot swap trays.2 x 500W 80 Plus Platinum PSU + 3 80x38mm Case fans. - $539.99

TOTAL = $6886.46 USD.

[tristan1035]

-snip-

I know you're trying to be nice in recommending him items, but it's a little late and we already tried.

[Advent]

I know you're trying to be nice in recommending him items, but it's a little late and we already tried.

I'm doing it just to prove that I can. I don't care if he even reads it. I'm going to give myself the same budget as he has and see where it takes me and see how under budget I can get. EDIT: These is just quickies I threw together. Many things can be undercut. Also the $1000 allocated to the custom loop is just a high estimate.

Version 1:

PCPartPicker part list

CPU:  Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($214.96 @ SuperBiiz) (Great for gaming, could go with a i7-3730k/3930k to boost things a bit on the VM/multitasking side)

Motherboard:  Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  ($232.98 @ SuperBiiz) (Could probably source something cheaper)

Memory:  G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($299.99 @ Newegg) (could probably reduce to 24 or 16 GB)

Storage:  Samsung EVO 1TB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($524.95 @ B&H) (Included 2 so the OP could do RAID 1, not needed but OP is obviously afraid of drive failure/data loss, or he could.. ya know... save to the cloud or get a NAS....)

Storage:  Samsung EVO 1TB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($524.95 @ B&H)

Video Card:  Asus Radeon R9 290X 4GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire)  ($595.91 @ Newegg) (Could probably lose 1 of these as 2 is overkill)

Video Card:  Asus Radeon R9 290X 4GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire)  ($595.91 @ Newegg)

Case:  Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case  ($167.98 @ Newegg) (Could probably go with a cheaper one)

Power Supply:  Be Quiet Dark Power Pro 10 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($239.99 @ NCIX US) (Might be able to get away with an 750-800W cheaper supply for Crossfire, could probably get away with a 650W or less with only 1 GPU)

Other: Custom loop with 1 x CPU block & 2 x GPU Block ($1000.00)(high end estimate)

Total: $4397.62

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-06 19:53 EST-0500)

Ver 2: (Same as above minus the 2nd SSD, GPU and with smaller PSU and only 1 GPU block).

PCPartPicker part list

CPU:  Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($214.96 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard:  Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  ($232.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Memory:  G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($299.99 @ Newegg)

Storage:  Samsung EVO 1TB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($524.95 @ B&H)

Video Card:  Asus Radeon R9 290X 4GB Video Card  ($595.91 @ Newegg)

Case:  Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case  ($167.98 @ Newegg)

Power Supply:  Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ Newegg)

Other: Custom loop with 1 x CPU block & 1 x GPU Block ($1000.00)

Total: $3156.76

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-06 21:16 EST-0500)

 

[JmWell]

SuperCach

 

 

no oc until I got my water cooling. set up the way I want it.
and wait a bit and see if I can find a review on R290 vs r290x in crosfirer
and see how much difference there is.

[JmWell]

If you are doing VM and gaming then you probably want an i5/i7 K series, 32 GB of 1600 RAM, ditch the 10 SSD's , get 1 x 1 TB EVO and get some 10K HDD RPM drives and put em in RAID 10 or do a Ramdisk. Do a custom cooling loop, get a Radeon R290X (or 2 of them) and waterblock both of them. Probably be cheaper than what you are doing now.

Even though you already purchased your parts I am going to put together a PC Part Picker list for you for what you should have purchased.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I build nodes for  data centers in San Diego, NYC and UK and our builds cost maybe like.... $8,000 USD when all is said and done (labor, shipping etc). All they do is host VM's. NOTE: We have had very little failure with these SSD's in a RAID 10. I have gone through 400+ of these SSD's and only about a handful have failed since I have been using them. I have deployed probably 50 of these systems so far.

These boxes run HyperV and Windows Data Center 2012 R2. They are pure, raw power. These run 24/7. You do not need anything near as powerful as this. I don't care that you have a lot or money or that you think buy purchasing parts that you will never utilize fully you have a "mad machine". The only madness is the fact that you think any of what you purchased was a good idea.

You said you plan to overclock. You are going to be limited to 1600 MHz on the RAM then. So your super expensive 2400 MHz RAM is a total waste unless you don't OC. Also you aren't going to see that big an improvement on gaming/VM's going from 1600 MHz to 2400 MHz.

NODE PARTS :

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116937 - Xeon E5-2687W 8 Core CPU - $2,199.99

HEATSINK - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835114116 - Dynatron R9 60MM - $37.99

MOBO - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182333R - SuperMicro X9SRE-3F ATX - $247.99

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820239654&Tpk=KVR16LR11S4%2f8 - Kingston 8GB ECC DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) - $98.94 each x 8 = $791.52

RAID - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816103237 - Adaptec 7805 - $568.99

SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W00ZD1539 - Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB SSD$249.99 each x 10 = $2,499.99

CASE - http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=CA-825TR5B&c=fr&pid=94da0ef67b1401ff4c0062dce3459880a7db3beca2a840c906c65d6d2819a3ce&gclid=CPubm_fnnLsCFU0ypAod_DoAcQ - SuperMicro 2U Chassis w/ 8 x hot swap trays.2 x 500W 80 Plus Platinum PSU + 3 80x38mm Case fans. - $539.99

TOTAL = $6886.46 USD.

http://www.thessdreview.com/featured/lsi-9265-8i-megaraid-card-vs-adaptec-6805-raid-card-the-great-6gbs-raid-showdown/12/

btw 8 not 10.ssd.

and btw. I come from Denmark. prices and supply is totaldt different here. and inport multiply the price by 1.25

[Arndroid]

WOW that's fast

Have you seen the  Mushkin Scorpion Deluxe PCI-e SSD's?

They run faster, for way less.

 

 

Anyhow, I do agree with the OP.

Sure it is expensive, but is it unnecessary? No.

The guy is trying to run a fail-safe setup, with Raid 10. Not some cheap on board thingy that doesn't work.

 

Fast RAM isn't overkill for certain kinds of work. But yea, the Corsair Dominator's are overpriced..

With the low profile (1.35v) Crucial Ballistix Tactical's you can get 2133mhz at CL9-T1 easily with OC'ing (1.5v)!

But then again, he wants a fail-safe setup, and good overclocking shouldn't be in a totally fail-safe setup IMO.

 

Edit:

It's like suggesting go with any cheaper quality brand PSU.

If a guy doesn't want a power spike to kill his overclocked machine, not just any 80+ bronze PSU will do.

Neither does just any Motherboard with a OC ready power design.

 

Server/Working Station components aren't just there being expensive... they exist for a reason.

[JmWell]

Server/Working Station components aren't just there being expensive... they exist for a reason.

thanks for a little moral support

 

water cooling idea

but do not know if it is possible to modding the H110 fittings.

is there someone who has tried it. or is it impossible

 

 

 

[tristan1035]

Get and H320/H220 instead and expand upon that.

[JmWell]

Get and H320/H220 instead and expand upon that.

it does not fit on a Kraken G10

Compatibility

NZXT : Kraken X60, Kraken X40

Corsair : H110, H90, H75, H55 , H50

Antec : KUHLER H2O 920V4, KUHLER H2O 620V4, KUHLER H2O 920, KUHLER H2O 620

Thermaltake : Water 3.0 Extreme, Water 3.0 Pro, Water 3.0 Performer, Water 2.0 Extreme, Water 2.0 Pro, Water 2.0 Performer

Zalman : LQ-320, LQ-315, LQ-310

[bob345]

it does not fit on a Kraken G10

Compatibility

NZXT : Kraken X60, Kraken X40

Corsair : H110, H90, H75, H55 , H50

Antec : KUHLER H2O 920V4, KUHLER H2O 620V4, KUHLER H2O 920, KUHLER H2O 620

Thermaltake : Water 3.0 Extreme, Water 3.0 Pro, Water 3.0 Performer, Water 2.0 Extreme, Water 2.0 Pro, Water 2.0 Performer

Zalman : LQ-320, LQ-315, LQ-310

who said you need a kraken g10?  to expand the h220 you just need a normal waterblock like this http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_971_240_579&products_id=39422(not specific to your gpu, just the general idea)

[Butterfish]

I feel ashamed to be a dane now.

[Andrew48]

Any updates?

[JmWell]

Any updates?

I have seen people who have changed Tubing out.

so I have a H110 on the way. and

I will look a little closer at. to see what I need. before I buy too much home.

[paulsterio]

Why don't you just go custom loop.

2x H110 + H90 + Kraken G10 is probably not much less than a custom water cooling kit, like those Alphacool or XSPC ones plus 2x GPU water block.

[JmWell]

Why don't you just go custom loop.

2x H110 + H90 + Kraken G10 is probably not much less than a custom water cooling kit, like those Alphacool or XSPC ones plus 2x GPU water block.

it has nothing to do with price.

but I have so many things in my relatively small case.

Dual Bay Reservoir / Pump does not fit particularly well, since mine is vertical.

and must use the space for my 8 SSDs 2SSHD

[paulsterio]

it has nothing to do with price.

but I have so many things in my relatively small case.

Dual Bay Reservoir / Pump does not fit particularly well, since mine is vertical.

and must use the space for my 8 SSDs 2SSHD

 

It's just pretty illogical to go with your solution. 

 

You don't have to use a bay res, use one of those res/pump combos. I don't understand, you'll actually be SAVING space by going with a custom loop (less tubing running around everywhere), you'll get better airflow, less noise, better temperatures, all for less money. 

 

Also, why are you using SSHDs? You're better off using a HDD with an SSD cache. 

[JmWell]

It's just pretty illogical to go with your solution. 

 

You don't have to use a bay res, use one of those res/pump combos. I don't understand, you'll actually be SAVING space by going with a custom loop (less tubing running around everywhere), you'll get better airflow, less noise, better temperatures, all for less money. 

 

Also, why are you using SSHDs? You're better off using a HDD with an SSD cache. 

if it is not clear enough. I'm going to replace all tubing.

so I do not see how I can save space by add more items.

2X 4TB SSHD (Plug and play)  No extra items, which take up space.

[paulsterio]

if it is not clear enough. I'm going to replace all tubing.

so I do not see how I can save space by add more items.

2X 4TB SSHD (Plug and play)  No extra items, which take up space.

 

So if I understand correctly you are intending to run a H110 and H90 in series?

 

I don't know if that's a good idea, you'll have two 280mm radiators and a 140mm radiator with THREE pumps. 

 

Why don't you just buy two 280mm radiators, a 140mm radiator and a pump and connect up your system that way? Even if you go with your current setup, you are going to NEED a T-line or a reservoir anyway, plus, it will be pretty difficult to fill without letting your pumps run dry at some point which means that you'll probably break their wet seal. 

 

You will get BETTER temperatures AND save space AND have less noise AND save money by going with a custom loop. 

 

Also, getting SSHDs is a bad idea, you're using them as storage drives, I assume, as you have your 8 SSDs as the boot drive, so why not get reliable (i.e. RE4, Constellation, UltraStar) enterprise class drive rather than going with an SSHD. You'll get better reliability with an enterprise class drive. 

[JmWell]

I don't know if that's a good idea, you'll have two 280mm radiators and a 140mm radiator with THREE pumps.

 

Why don't you just buy two 280mm radiators, a 140mm radiator and a pump and connect up your system that way? Even if you go with your current setup, you are going to NEED a T-line or a reservoir anyway, plus, it will be pretty difficult to fill without letting your pumps run dry at some point which means that you'll probably break their wet seal.

http://www.swiftech.com/mcresmicrorev2reservoir.aspx

 

You will get BETTER temperatures AND save space AND have less noise AND save money by going with a custom loop.

 

Also, getting SSHDs is a bad idea, you're using them as storage drives, I assume, as you have your 8 SSDs as the boot drive, so why not get reliable (i.e. RE4, Constellation, UltraStar) enterprise class drive rather than going with an SSHD. You'll get better reliability with an enterprise class drive. 

 

enterprise is only an advantage in the server environment.

and they are put in raid 1

 

(Again, I am an experienced modder fully aware of the difficulties and futility of doing this.)

[paulsterio]

So let me get this right, you're going to put a reservoir in ANYWAY, you still haven't answered why you can't just get a D5 pump and do it like it's meant to be done. 

 

Yes, pumps in series increases the pressure, pumps in parallel increases the flow rate, much in the same way as batteries in series increasing voltage and batteries in parallel increases the total amount of current that can be drawn. 

 

However, you miss the point, which is that a D5 is probably better than your three Asetek small pumps anyway. 

 

Also you are wrong, enterprise drives are useful everywhere, they are designed to be more reliable and to last longer than consumer drives. I have enterprise drives in my NAS which backs up critical data off the RAID 10 array in my server. You are getting NO BENEFIT from using SSHDs. 

 

 

(Again, I am an experienced modder fully aware of the difficulties and futility of doing this.)

 

You are not making decisions that an experienced modder would make. When you have a whole forum questioning your decisions, you know you're doing something wrong. 

[stevv]

dust cakes... yummy.

 

where's there rest of the Frankenstein lab  aka "workstation"?  :lol:    you know... the 8 SSDs.  Nice keyboard.

 

[Anti Hero]

Holy shit! ROFL @ this whole thread. 3 pumps WAT!?