Question about Hibernation

[SandroMK]

Is it good idea to Hibernate PC? i found it useful because you dont ahve to wait for those programs to start up.

Will it hurt my SSD? or system? 

 

 

[Tedster]

3 minutes ago, SandroMK said:

Is it good idea to Hibernate PC? i found it useful because you dont ahve to wait for those programs to start up.

Will it hurt my SSD? or system? 

 

 

It'll increase wear on your SSD, but so will everything else you do on it. And how much depends on how much you have in RAM all the time.

 

I personally never hibernate my machine because it takes too long to wake back up, nor sleep, because that would require me to wake it if I were wanting to remotely access it, which could be a pain.

[snortings]

 

[Enderman]

no its not good

you basically dont restart your system at all and that can cause problems the longer its on

 

try it yourself, you will see after a few days or weeks some programs will not work correctly until you restart

 

also it uses 8GB of your SSD which is wasting space

[Tedster]

2 minutes ago, snortings said:

 

Something to note, especially about the first video, is that modern SSDs are much more resistant to write wear than they were back when that video was made.

[ZetZet]

5 minutes ago, Enderman said:

no its not good

you basically dont restart your system at all and that can cause problems the longer its on

 

try it yourself, you will see after a few days or weeks some programs will not work correctly until you restart

[Tedster]

9 minutes ago, Enderman said:

no its not good

you basically dont restart your system at all and that can cause problems the longer its on

 

try it yourself, you will see after a few days or weeks some programs will not work correctly until you restart

 

also it uses 8GB of your SSD which is wasting space

 

4 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

[Tedster]

2 minutes ago, Tedster said:

 

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17 minutes ago, Enderman said:

no its not good

you basically dont restart your system at all and that can cause problems the longer its on

 

try it yourself, you will see after a few days or weeks some programs will not work correctly until you restart

 

also it uses 8GB of your SSD which is wasting space

iirc it uses however much ram you have, not necessarily 8 GB

11 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

Please, I've gone over 3 weeks before

21 minutes ago, SandroMK said:

Is it good idea to Hibernate PC? i found it useful because you dont ahve to wait for those programs to start up.

Will it hurt my SSD? or system? 

 

 

I find on a HDD it is for sure faster to resume from hibernate, but on an ssd it is actually faster to just boot normally.

[Tedster]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

iirc it uses however much ram you have, not necessarily 8 GB

Please, I've gone over 3 weeks before

I find on a HDD it is for sure faster to resume from hibernate, but on an ssd it is actually faster to just boot normally.

It will allocate as much space on your boot drive as you have in usable RAM, then it'll probably only use some of it depending on how much RAM you're using.

[vanished]

3 minutes ago, Tedster said:

It will allocate as much space on your boot drive as you have in usable RAM, then it'll probably only use some of it depending on how much RAM you're using.

As fas as I know, HIBERFIL.SYS will be equal to total installed system memory.  How much of that it actually writes, I guess would vary with how much i# in use but I don't know.

On Linux, you can create a swap partition of any size, and upon trying to hibernate, it will just take as much space as it needs, and if there isn't enough, it just wakes up again, but the benefit is you can theoretically hibernate a system using 4 GB of ram with a 6 GB swap partition, even if the system has 16 GB of ram, where as on windows, I think that 16 GB is always reserved if hibernation is enabled.

[TheProfosist]

If you have a SSD and are using a desktop I suggest that you disable "fast startup", hibernation, and sleep. Modern boot times are plenty quick with a SSD, especially with a UEFI with fast boot enabled. While your at it disable your pagefile as well.

 

Oh and for those wondering your hibernation file could be potentially as big as your memory and page file combined pertaining you were using all of both. Page File should be set to 1.5-2x your amount of memory if your going to use it. My suggestion dont as I said before and just buy plenty of memory.

[TheProfosist]

3 hours ago, Enderman said:

no its not good

you basically dont restart your system at all and that can cause problems the longer its on

 

try it yourself, you will see after a few days or weeks some programs will not work correctly until you restart

 

also it uses 8GB of your SSD which is wasting space

not the case at all if this is happening you have a corrupt install of windows or said program or like my firefox with ancient extensions memory leaks, lots of them.

[SandroMK]

Thanks for information guys. After this, not going to hibernate my PC. It is true that with ssd it boots up quick enough. !!

[ZetZet]

11 minutes ago, TheProfosist said:

If you have a SSD and are using a desktop I suggest that you disable "fast startup", hibernation, and sleep. Modern boot times are plenty quick with a SSD, especially with a UEFI with fast boot enabled. While your at it disable your pagefile as well.

 

Oh and for those wondering your hibernation file could be potentially as big as your memory and page file combined pertaining you were using all of both. Page File should be set to 1.5-2x your amount of memory if your going to use it. My suggestion dont as I said before and just buy plenty of memory.

disabling page file just causes unnecessary problems. Leave it on auto.

[TheProfosist]

2 minutes ago, SandroMK said:

Thanks for information guys. After this, not going to hibernate my PC. It is true that with ssd it boots up quick enough. !!

I would then disable it using a registry entry so that windows doesnt bother taking up space or trying to create and maintain the file. By default Win 8.1 and 10 both shutdown using "fast startup". This is where the system says that it is shutting down and turn off the monitor. If you watch the HDD light it will still be blinking. This is because the system is actually hibernating for an even quicker startup. Generally you only see the benefit of this on HDD because it allows them to boot from one large sequential file instead of random OS files distributed all over the disc. For systems with SSDs its just a non-needed featured that can actually cause issues since technically the system wasn't power cycled.

 

 

[SandroMK]

2 minutes ago, TheProfosist said:

I would then disable it using a registry entry so that windows doesnt bother taking up space or trying to create and maintain the file. By default Win 8.1 and 10 both shutdown using "fast startup". This is where the system says that it is shutting down and turn off the monitor. If you watch the HDD light it will still be blinking. This is because the system is actually hibernating for an even quicker startup. Generally you only see the benefit of this on HDD because it allows them to boot from one large sequential file instead of random OS files distributed all over the disc. For systems with SSDs its just a non-needed featured that can actually cause issues since technically the system wasn't power cycled.

 

 

How to do that? 

[TheProfosist]

4 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

disabling page file just causes unnecessary problems. Leave it on auto.

Unless you dont have enough memory they are going to be no issue been running it since I was able to afford 8GB of DDR2 ram way back for my E6600.

 

One of The first system I actually did this on was a Eee PC 701 netbook. The system only had one slot for RAM and maxed out at 2GB. You actually had to not have a page file in order to get a working install of WinXP onto its 4GB SSD.

 

Name one replicatable situation where non having a page file causes an issue and ill have a go at it!

 

[TheProfosist]

3 minutes ago, SandroMK said:

How to do that? 

here is how to disable hibernation which will in-turn disable fast startup http://goo.gl/TBTmw7

 

here is how to just manually disable fast startup on win 8 and 10 http://goo.gl/gg6Fxv

 

[SandroMK]

1 minute ago, TheProfosist said:

here is how to disable hibernation which will in-turn disable fast startup http://goo.gl/TBTmw7

 

here is how to just manually disable fast startup on win 8 and 10 http://goo.gl/gg6Fxv

 

Thanks!

[ZetZet]

6 minutes ago, TheProfosist said:

Unless you dont have enough memory they are going to be no issue been running it since I was able to afford 8GB of DDR2 ram way back for my E6600.

 

One of The first system I actually did this on was a Eee PC 701 netbook. The system only had one slot for RAM and maxed out at 2GB. You actually had to not have a page file in order to get a working install of WinXP onto its 4GB SSD.

 

Name one replicatable situation where non having a page file causes an issue and ill have a go at it!

 

max out your ram and there you have it, problems.

[TheProfosist]

1 minute ago, SandroMK said:

Thanks!

no problem youll learn this is some pretty basic stuff if your going to be a power user.

 

[TheProfosist]

7 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

max out your ram and there you have it, problems.

Buy more ram and problem solved. Ram is one of the cheapest components of a system. Its also very easy to upgrade. So no reason to cheap out on the amount. Even then few people are like me and idle at 8GB+ of ram usage.

[ZetZet]

1 minute ago, TheProfosist said:

Buy more ram and problem solved. Ram is one of the cheapest components of a system. Its also very easy to upgrade. So no reason to cheap out on the amount. Even then few people are like me and idle at 8GB+ of ram usage.

it's pointless to buy more ram though if you have pagefile enabled and disabling it gives you nothing.

[TheProfosist]

1 minute ago, ZetZet said:

it's pointless to buy more ram though if you have pagefile enabled and disabling it gives you nothing.

If you think disabling page file does nothing you dont understand how it works. Its actually a bit overzealous. And actually if you are having to use you page file on a regular basis you for sure want to buy more ram as you will see a performance improvement with your system.

 

Another name for Page File is virtual Memory. Generally speaking its only supposed to dip into this when you exceed your amount of ram or at least get close to. This is however not always what happens. A but of the time even when you have more than enough memory background processes and minimized applications among other things get moved over to your page file making them rather slow to respond.

 

The reason why you would want to buy more memory if your significantly sipping into your page file is youll notice a increase in performance because the system isnt having to keep taking one program and moving it onto the drive with the page file to make room for a new program or so a program that is on the page file can get back into memory. Say your idling at 5.5GB of ram usage. A system with only 4GB of ram is going to feel significantly slower doing the same tasks than that same system with 8GB of ram. Page File is reality is somewhat of an insurance plan for the average consume so that when they open too many things on their $200 laptop that the system doesnt just crash

 

Keep in mind that storage even NVMe PCI-E SSDs are still significantly slower than memory. This is why pertaining you have a decent processor a SSD generally makes the largest improvement in perceived performance of the system. When you open a program the improved bandwidth of a SSD speeds up the program coping into ram before running.