Pascal/Polari, worth the wait?

[Redjo]

 

Hey is it really worth waiting for Pascal/Polaris series? Keep in mind that i sold my old PC and now using ''Stoneage'' laptop and i am unable to do anything, but to watch movies and videos.

 

Like my build was going to look like this, then i get really confused. I dont know if i should wait or buy the listed parts bellow. I will be using this PC for amateur editing, everyday things and gaming. Later one if 8GB is not enough i plan adding another 2x4 modules and 850W PSU definitely wont hurt for future upgrade possibilities. 

Here is the build itself, click the spoiler:

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CPU: Intel i7-5820k                                                                    CPU: 375€                              
CPU Cooler: Kraken X61                                                           CPU Cooler: 130€                      
Mobo: MSI X99A SLI Plus                                                         Mobo: 215€                                                         
RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 2x4GB DDR4-3200                                 RAM: 55€                          
GPU: Evga 980Ti Hybrid                                                            GPU: 690€                             
Case: NZXT H440 Red                                                              Case: 115€                                   
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250/500GB                                        SSD: 85/150€            
HDD: WD BLUE 1TB 7200rpm 64MB                                        HDD: 45€           
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA GQ 850W                                           PSU: 120€                          

                    

Well at the moment 980Ti Hybrid seems really good choose to me, but when the new series from Pascal/Polaris come out how much the closest to 980Ti  will outperform it and at what price range, also what are my real benefits from it.

•Lets talk a little bit about the Gtx1080 now, even if its par or 10% better than 980Ti is it really worth it, because i think for at least some time they will not have Hybrid versions which means more time to wait, because i dont want to buy anything else than Hybrids [ They are very quiet that' the main reason ]. When they realise 980Ti's there wasn't hybrids at the start right? 

 

Also what are your thoughts on this:

- source http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-specs/       

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Please dont just ignore this POST every little or big help means incredibly much to me and i really appreciate it, Thank you all in advance! 

- Redjo

[SaladFingers]

You are always going to get the same answer: It depends.

 

A new lineup is always going to bring improvements. What's mostly going to matter is how long you can afford to wait. You mention your hardware is "stoneage", well, how long could you live with that? If you can deal with your current setup for a while, then wait for the new lineup. If you can't, current GPUs are more than fine and you will notice a great jump depending on your choice. 

 

Just don't fall into the "I bought this and x months later the new thing came out!" trap. This is always going to be the case. Just buy things when you want them except if a new release is really close or you want to milk your current hardware a little more and buy the new thing on release.

 

Sorry I didn't give you a concrete answer, but it really is up to you in the end.

[I am an SSD]

4 minutes ago, Redjo said:

 

Hey is it really worth waiting for Pascal/Polaris series? Keep in mind that i sold my old PC and now using ''Stoneage'' laptop and i am unable to do anything, but to watch movies and videos.

 

Honestly I dont think it is worth the wait....

Only reason to wait :- Prices of older cards will come down with the introduction of pascal.....thats an advantage I suppose

 

[Moonzy]

17 minutes ago, Redjo said:

amateur editing, everyday things and gaming.

no reason to go x99...

i'd go as far as saying an i5 6600K is enough for you

unless you stream and use cpu encoding while you game, hen an i7 6700k

 

as for a hybrid, there might not be any new hybrid cards upon release, but one will come for sure in a month or two lol

well seeing how the 980 performs better than the 780Ti, i guess its fair to expect the same with pascal

and the x80Ti isnt going to come out anytime soon anyway (unless nvidia break tradition)

 

as for waiting or not, it depends if you can wait

i always recommend waiting if you can

[Redjo]

46 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

no reason to go x99...

i'd go as far as saying an i5 6600K is enough for you

unless you stream and use cpu encoding while you game, hen an i7 6700k

 

as for a hybrid, there might not be any new hybrid cards upon release, but one will come for sure in a month or two lol

well seeing how the 980 performs better than the 780Ti, i guess its fair to expect the same with pascal

and the x80Ti isnt going to come out anytime soon anyway (unless nvidia break tradition)

 

as for waiting or not, it depends if you can wait

i always recommend waiting if you can

Well i dont care of saving 300/400euro and get something like i5 6600K or 4790k with 980 or something else. I just want the maximum performance which will be more future durable. 

 

And that info you gived me for x80TI helped me alot to decide thank you. 

 

[Moonzy]

8 minutes ago, Redjo said:

I just want the maximum performance

well then i have a build for you

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5960x + 3 way titan x with custom watercooling :3

 

 

[Redjo]

22 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

well then i have a build for you

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5960x + 3 way titan x with custom watercooling :3

 

 

Well my the max performance i meant so say max performance for the price. My price tag is 1900Euro +/- 50

 

Like if i am going to lose performance to save 300/400euro i dont see it as worth for me.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Redjo said:

Well my the max performance i meant so say max performance for the price. My price tag is 1900Euro +/- 50

easily drop the x99 and get an i5, then invest in better gpu (or dual gpu if you can squeeze it in)

easily perform much better in games

[Redjo]

5 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

easily drop the x99 and get an i5, then invest in better gpu (or dual gpu if you can squeeze it in)

easily perform much better in games

Well i don't want the build only for games tho. I love to heavy multitask, also plan doing some Amateur editing etc..... by heavy multitask i mean like 10/15tabs in GoogleChrome, Skype...... Playing games etc. at the same time. 

 

980Ti is enough. I don't find personally worth to invest in SLI 980 or Titan X. 

[MMKing]

Neither Polaris or Pascal will be revolutionary in terms of performance gain over the previous generation. Yes, we are seeing a reduction in transistor size, but at the same time we are jumping to a new manufacturing process. The consequence is significantly smaller chips due to impurities in the manufacturing. The 680 for example is less than half the size of the 980Ti, simply because making a 600mm^2 for less than thousands of dollars was not feasible when the 28nm technology became available for mass production.

 

But don't panic, there will be an increase. Price to performance will be much better, wattage to performance will be better and performance overall will increase. Just don't expect the 300USD Polaris/Pascal to blow the current 980Ti out of the water, most likely the 300USD option will be at most 15-20% better than the current 980Ti in terms of raw performance. though advances is memory technology, GDDR5X and HBM2, may increase the difference at higher resolutions.

 

This is by no means confirmed information, just my own personal educated guess. Though i'm probably not miles off.

[Moonzy]

Just now, Redjo said:

heavy multitask, also plan doing some Amateur editing etc..... by heavy multitask i mean like 10/15tabs in GoogleChrome, Skype...... Playing games etc. at the same time. 

im using my i5 6600 (non-k)

and it can easily handle light games, chrome (few tabs of youtube opened), autoCAD (yes i should be doing my work now, but im youtubing instead), and a couple more stuff to monitor my system lol, and my cpu isnt even working that hard at all  (about 35% at 3.6ghz with all these running atm)

 

ametuer editing is fine on an i5 lol

 

but seriously if you wanna spend on x99 and an i7, go right ahead  its your money so i cant tell you how to spend it

[PaNdRaGoN]

If you get this system now you will not have any problem for some more years I suppose. I would advoce you to get this system with a cheaper GPU e.x. R9 380 or a used 780/970. So you keep some money you do your job and you can see if you will upgrade later to the next gen architecture.

[Redjo]

14 minutes ago, MMKing said:

But don't panic, there will be an increase. Price to performance will be much better, wattage to performance will be better and performance overall will increase. Just don't expect the 300USD Polaris/Pascal to blow the current 980Ti out of the water, most likely the 300USD option will be at most 15-20% better than the current 980Ti in terms of raw performance. though advances is memory technology, GDDR5X and HBM2, may increase the difference at higher resolutions.

 

 

Any idea when they will come out? 

 

13 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

im using my i5 6600 (non-k)

and it can easily handle light games, chrome (few tabs of youtube opened), autoCAD (yes i should be doing my work now, but im youtubing instead), and a couple more stuff to monitor my system lol, and my cpu isnt even working that hard at all  (about 35% at 3.6ghz with all these running atm)

 

ametuer editing is fine on an i5 lol

 

but seriously if you wanna spend on x99 and an i7, go right ahead  its your money so i cant tell you how to spend it

 I will actually do i5 build now to see the difference. Here are few questions:

1. i5 6600is good choose with 980Ti? Like no bottlenecks right. 

2. is 4790k better than i5 6600?

3. I heard something like Skylike processors force you to go with Win 10, is that true? 

4. Well yes i will be doing amateur editing but i dont want something slow tho, you know.....

5. Few tabs hmmm? 

6 minutes ago, PaNdRaGoN said:

If you get this system now you will not have any problem for some more years I suppose. I would advoce you to get this system with a cheaper GPU e.x. R9 380 or a used 780/970. So you keep some money you do your job and you can see if you will upgrade later to the next gen architecture.

Yeah someone already offer me do it that way, but as the post says i dont want to spend money for 370/380/780/970 etc. for something like 10% performance gain. And even if i do it that way later one if i decide to go for next gen architecture which i have to go, because i cant stick with low end GPU's right.... i will lose money.

 

So as you can see its not worth doing it that way. 

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Redjo said:

1. i5 6600is good choose with 980Ti? Like no bottlenecks right. 

2. is 4790k better than i5 6600?

3. I heard something like Skylike processors force you to go with Win 10, is that true? 

4. Well yes i will be doing amateur editing but i dont want something slow tho, you know.....

5. Few tabs hmmm? 

1. nope, 6600 can handle a 980ti no problem, unless of course its a VERY cpu intensive games (or just poorly optimized)

2. yes, of course, but only in multithreaded workloads, the 6600 will perform better single thread (but the 4790k can be overclocked so...)

3. well there are rumours about it, but i dont see why not go windows 10 if you're already using win 7 and 8... its much better than windows 7 and windows 7 is much better than 8

4. is a few seconds that important to you? ._.

5. 5~10 tabs of youtube at a given time, 1 fb tab, two website tab, two e-mail tab

[Redjo]

46 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

1. nope, 6600 can handle a 980ti no problem, unless of course its a VERY cpu intensive games (or just poorly optimized)

2. yes, of course, but only in multithreaded workloads, the 6600 will perform better single thread (but the 4790k can be overclocked so...)

3. well there are rumours about it, but i dont see why not go windows 10 if you're already using win 7 and 8... its much better than windows 7 and windows 7 is much better than 8

4. is a few seconds that important to you? ._.

5. 5~10 tabs of youtube at a given time, 1 fb tab, two website tab, two e-mail tab

3.Well i kinda get used to Win 8.1 Pro, also it was pain when i switch from Win 7 to 8.1 

4.You think it will be few seconds???? :OO 

5.Try to play something like GTA/League of legeds/CS:GO/Dota2 and have Skype with 10tabs youtube and 3other and 2/3 streams running at the backgraund.......... and record while you doing this. 

 

Well maybe i went a bit extreme but try at least closest to this and tell me what happen, if its possible for you. 

[Moonzy]

2 minutes ago, Redjo said:

3.Well i kinda get used to Win 8.1 Pro, also it was pain when i switch from Win 7 to 8.1 

4.You think it will be few seconds???? :OO 

5.Try to play something like GTA/League of legeds/CS:GO/Dota2 and have Skype with 10tabs youtube and 3other and 2/3 streams running at the backgraund.......... and record while you doing this. 

 

Well maybe i went a bit extreme but try at least closest to this and tell me what happen, if its possible for you. 

3. well its your call

4. depends on the length, but short videos will proly just take few seconds more, besides, you can get a more powerful gpu and use gpu acceleration for this (cpu encoding bleh)

5. realistically you wouldnt be doing all these at once, and yes this will probably make my cpu run at 100% and games will probably stutter, though i record with shadowplay so it'll take the load off my cpu, the rest should be able to be handled by the processor tbh

 

just go with an i7 is you're so keen for it lol

im not here to prove that an i5 is better than an i7 at multitasking, its not

im here to say that an i5 will probably be enough for you

whether it is enough or not will depend on yourself

[iamdarkyoshi]

Go for current gen cards. The new ones will be overpriced st release, I paid over 450$ for my r9 390x and regretted it

[Sat1600]

Why does it seem like there is a new "buy now or wait for polaris/pascal" thread every single day on this forum?

[Redjo]

34 minutes ago, Sat1600 said:

Why does it seem like there is a new "buy now or wait for polaris/pascal" thread every single day on this forum?

Gentleman, are they offending you and simply because the majority of us are confused. 

•Also have you hear of Two Heads Better Than One? [Dont go too deep on this]

•I just want other people's opinion, but at the end of this i am the person who will decide what to do. 

 

Best of luck! 

-Redjo

[SteveGrabowski0]

I don't know whether it's worth it to wait for your gpu or not, but I do know the H440 isn't a great case for watercooling due to those really small side exhaust vents in the top. The Hyper 212 EVO outperforms an H105 in this guy's testing with that case.

 

 

[Redjo]

26 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I don't know whether it's worth it to wait for your gpu or not, but I do know the H440 isn't a great case for watercooling due to those really small side exhaust vents in the top. The Hyper 212 EVO outperforms an H105 in this guy's testing with that case.

Fuck but i already purchase it with Kraken x61. 

[Moonzy]

7 hours ago, Redjo said:

Fuck but i already purchase it with Kraken x61. 

he is using some air flow fans for his radiator

he should be using static pressure because

1) the radiator is restrictive

2) the case vents are pretty restrictive

 

and he also mentioned the nh-d15 is audible during idle? lol im not sure what his nh-d15's fans are running on

not sure what's his fan profiles too, should atleast try and run the fan at 20% speed, 50% speed and 100% speed for each of them lol

 

conclusion: not a very good test

[BrightCandle]

We really don't know when they are coming out. Nvidia just announced Q1 2017 for its Pascal based P100's but those aren't consumer cards. We ought to see something this year, we usually do but I have no idea if it'll be great or not.

 

My primary advice when it comes to CPU and GPU purchases is follow the silicon process nodes. The first cards/cpus on a new process are the ones that really jump performance and you want to buy fairly early in that release cycle, because otherwise you are buying just before the new stuff comes out. We aren't really looking at 2x performance anymore but the jump is usually substantial and we are right at the end of the life of the 28nm process and the cards built on it, now is a very bad time to buy a high end card from the current generation, because its very likely we will see new finFet 20nm chips in the next 6 months.

[XDXD_4U3IF1P]

17 hours ago, Redjo said:

CPU: Intel i7-5820k                                                                    CPU: 375€                              
CPU Cooler: Kraken X61                                                           CPU Cooler: 130€                      
Mobo: MSI X99A SLI Plus                                                         Mobo: 215€                                                         
RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 2x4GB DDR4-3200                                 RAM: 55€                          
GPU: Evga 980Ti Hybrid                                                            GPU: 690€                             
Case: NZXT H440 Red                                                              Case: 115€                                   
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250/500GB                                        SSD: 85/150€            
HDD: WD BLUE 1TB 7200rpm 64MB                                        HDD: 45€           
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA GQ 850W                                           PSU: 120€    

Hi Mate,

My my, I just read through all of this thread! But for what it's worth, I wouldn't wait. But I would make these adjustments to your system specs having digested all the comments:

 

1. Get 16GB RAM

2. Drop down to a 980 not the ti version (or if not bothered about the ti cost then get that of course)

3. Just run SSD's

[Redjo]

2 hours ago, ShoshinUK said:

Hi Mate,

My my, I just read through all of this thread! But for what it's worth, I wouldn't wait. But I would make these adjustments to your system specs having digested all the comments:

 

1. Get 16GB RAM

2. Drop down to a 980 not the ti version (or if not bothered about the ti cost then get that of course)

3. Just run SSD's

Hello mate thank you for coming over and helping me, i really appreciate it! I will go for it now, because i figure out as you said its not worth the wait.

 

1. Ya i will definitely get 16GB RAM. 

2. Well 980 price is something like 500€ +/- 50€ and the price of EVGA980Ti Hybrid is 690€, it is not worth the save. 

3.Well i thought about it, but all SSD gets expensive. I think 250/500GB SSD and 1TB for main storage is enough for me. 

2 hours ago, BrightCandle said:

We aren't really looking at 2x performance anymore but the jump is usually substantial and we are right at the end of the life of the 28nm process and the cards built on it, now is a very bad time to buy a high end card from the current generation, because its very likely we will see new finFet 20nm chips in the next 6 months.

Hello thank you for coming over and posting your opinion. 

I am on ''Stoneage'' laptop now and it's so limited to basic stuff and it is not worth the 6 months or even 3. At the start new generation GPU's will be expensive and no Hybrids for another 1/2 months i guess. I decided already, but thank you for coming once again!