Friends PC Performance extremely under average for build

[Sinisterly]

So this isn't for my own personal build but a friends, his computer has been upgraded in multiple ways trying to improve his computer for gaming with no result. eventually, we thought we narrowed the problem down to his psu as he was getting 43W(???) max consumption before I asked him to get a new one, and now he still has problems with the power consumption where he is unable to get it to go anywhere higher than 45W(???) even under serious stress. I myself am stumped as we tried upgrading

 

Here are his current UPGRADED specs (I made him triple check that all connectors are connected correctly and that nothing is dead)

• Case [Thermaltake Versa H23]
• MB [Model FR651 MSI]
• Proccessor [ AMD FX 8320 Vishera 8core]
• GPU [R9 380 MSI]
• RAM [8GB 1600 mhz 12800 (unknown brand)]
• PSU [EVGA 500 W1 80+ ]
• HD [1TB 7200 RPM]
• OD [24x dvd rw]

 

Would really appreciate any help on this, as I have made him buy things he possibly didn't need as well as other companies such as Fry's telling him to upgrade certain components when so far all we can tell is that the PSU isn't supplying the power that it is supposed to. I asked him to check his BIOS for any power settings but I know nothing about BIOS changes.

 

EDIT: Also his fans are on the highest setting even on idle for some reason. Don't know how I forgot to mention this.

[Enderman]

what did you use to measure the power consumption?? a fridge?

[Sinisterly]

Just now, Enderman said:

what did you use to measure the power consumption??

CPUID Hardware Monitor

[Enderman]

Just now, Sinisterly said:

CPUID Hardware Monitor

uh, to measure PC power consumption you need a wattage meter which you plug the PC into, or a UPS with power info

you cannot use software

 

idk what the hell you are looking at to see 45W

[WaterproofBeanie]

4 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

So this isn't for my own personal build but a friends, his computer has been upgraded in multiple ways trying to improve his computer for gaming with no result. eventually, we narrowed the problem down to his psu as he was getting 43W(???) max consumption before I asked him to get a new one, and now he still has problems with the power consumption where he is unable to get it to go anywhere higher than 45W(???) even under serious stress. I myself am stumped as we tried upgrading

 

Here are his current UPGRADED specs (I made him triple check that all connectors are connected correctly and that nothing is dead)

• Case [Thermaltake Versa H23]
• MB [Model FR651 MSI]
• Proccessor [ AMD FX 8320 Vishera 8core]
• GPU [R9 380 MSI]
• RAM [8GB 1600 mhz 12800 (unknown brand)]
• PSU [EVGA 500 W1 80+ ]
• HD [1TB 7200 RPM]
• OD [24x dvd rw]

 

Would really appreciate any help on this, as I have made him buy things he possibly didn't need as well as other companies such as Fry's telling him to upgrade certain components when so far all we can tell is that the PSU isn't supplying the power that it is supposed to. I asked him to check his BIOS for any power settings but I know nothing about BIOS changes.

So are you saying that the computer isn't performing properly in games? If not, then why does it matter? If it doesn't perform, then make sure you aren't connected to integrated graphics, maybe.

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, Sinisterly said:

CPUID Hardware Monitor

are you serious!?

 

power consumption is measured "at the wall" with something like this: http://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Electricity-Usage-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU

[Electronics Wizardy]

Check the performance with benchmarks. Those power sensors in hwmonitor can be useless.

[Sinisterly]

Just now, Enderman said:

uh, to measure PC power consumption you need a wattage meter which you plug the PC into, or a UPS with power info

you cannot use software

 

idk what the hell you are looking at to see 45W

by power consumption I mean that it isn't powering the other components to what the assumed value is, I don't mean from the wall that is my mistake.

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

by power consumption I mean that it isn't powering the other components to what the assumed value is, I don't mean from the wall that is my mistake.

again, what?! 

 

please detail exactly what you're trying to say

[Sinisterly]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

again, what?! 

 

please detail exactly what you're trying to say

This is why I came here for help, I don't know what I'm trying to say, the problem is that his computer isn't performing as the specs would assume it to be, if you had read the post....

 

AGAIN - his pc isn't performing correctly for some reason and I've asked him to upgrade almost everything and there has been no improvements just decrease in performance for seemingly no reason, as he installed them all correctly.

[Sinisterly]

9 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Check the performance with benchmarks. Those power sensors in hwmonitor can be useless.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11041062 

Here is his 3DMark score I don't know what other tools to use.

[zMeul]

3 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

This is why I came here for help, I don't know what I'm trying to say, the problem is that his computer isn't performing as the specs would assume it to be, if you had read the post....

yes, I read the post and it doesn't make sense 

 

you cannot use software to measure power

 

as for the performance, please detail what he tested (games, benchmarks) - his results versus what he expected

you need to detail the problem, we're not Nostradamus, nor Romulans .. we can't guess

[79wjd]

4 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

This is why I came here for help, I don't know what I'm trying to say, the problem is that his computer isn't performing as the specs would assume it to be, if you had read the post....

 

AGAIN - his pc isn't performing correctly for some reason and I've asked him to upgrade almost everything and there has been no improvements just decrease in performance for seemingly no reason, as he installed them all correctly.

Explain what's wrong with the performance. 

[Sinisterly]

Just now, zMeul said:

yes, I read the post and it doesn't make sense 

 

you cannot use software to measure power

 

as for the performance, please detail what he tested (games, benchmarks), his results versus what he expected

 

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Explain what's wrong with the performance. 

For his specs compared to mine he should be getting better FPS on the same settings or higher, yet he sees FPS ~20 (in ArmA (which I know isn't a good base test)) whereas I see FPS of about ~40-60 (same settings) these results are mimicked where he sees worse FPS than myself in any game we play.

My specs are(for comparison):

MB: Lenovo H5050 H81H3-LM 

CPU: i3 4360 (garbage for performance I know)

GPU: EVGA 750 Ti

RAM: 16gb 1600 mhz

HD: 1tb wd black

od: standard 24 rw

PSU: 500W 80+ bronze

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

 

For his specs compared to mine he should be getting better FPS on the same settings or higher, yet he sees FPS ~20 (in ArmA (which I know isn't a good base test)) whereas I see FPS of about ~40-60 (same settings) these results are mimicked where he sees worse FPS than myself in any game we play.

My specs are(for comparison):

MB: Lenovo H5050 H81H3-LM 

CPU: i3 4360 (garbage for performance I know)

GPU: EVGA 750 Ti

RAM: 16gb 1600 mhz

HD: 1tb wd black

od: standard 24 rw

PSU: 500W 80+ bronze

An FX CPU is utter trash for Arma. Pick a different game to use as a benchmark. 

 

What games, specifically? What settings? What are his GPU and CPU usages? 

[Sinisterly]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

An FX CPU is utter trash for Arma. Pick a different game to use as a benchmark. 

as stated, any game we play he gets lower FPS than myself on the same settings..Just because ArmA is a bad game for FX CPU's doesn't mean every game we play will perform the same. I also linked his 3DMark performance test. Another game would be CS:GO where I see an average of ~90-120(low ik) on maxed settings, he sees around the same (~90-120) with a better, well, everything.

[zMeul]

5 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

as stated, any game we play he gets lower FPS than myself on the same settings..Just because ArmA is a bad game for FX CPU's doesn't mean every game we play will perform the same. I also linked his 3DMark performance test. Another game would be CS:GO where I see an average of ~90-120(low ik) on maxed settings, he sees around the same (~90-120) with a better, well, everything.

two things:

you cannot compare two different CPUs, even from different manufactures with way different performance and expect "similar" result

 

 

your 1150 platform is for Haswell and up CPUs, magnitudes ahead compared to AMD's utter shit Vishera ....

[79wjd]

7 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

as stated, any game we play he gets lower FPS than myself on the same settings..Just because ArmA is a bad game for FX CPU's doesn't mean every game we play will perform the same. I also linked his 3DMark performance test. Another game would be CS:GO where I see an average of ~90-120(low ik) on maxed settings, he sees around the same (~90-120) with a better, well, everything.

An i3 is actually better for CSGO (and most other games) as well since CSGO only uses 1-2 cores. 

[Sinisterly]

Just now, zMeul said:

two things:

you cannot compare two different CPUs, even from different manufactures with way different performance and expect "similar" result

the thing is that his build is of higher quality and newer products as well as performance wise. I wasn't saying they should be identical, I was saying his should be better? Is this not the case? I mean his GPU alone outdoes mine without trying,which has been shown many times by companies and others, as well as his CPU being a 8cores CPU mine being 2cores CPU?

[Sinisterly]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

An i3 is actually better for CSGO (and most other games) as well since CSGO only uses 1-2 cores. 

what games/benchmark tests would you recommend then? 

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

the thing is that his build is of higher quality and newer products as well as performance wise. I wasn't saying they should be identical, I was saying his should be better? Is this not the case? I mean his GPU alone outdoes mine without trying,which has been shown many times by companies and others, as well as his CPU being a 8cores CPU mine being 2cores CPU?

An i3 > FX8 in most games. 

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

what games/benchmark tests would you recommend then? 

I would recommend checking out the cpu and gpu usages in various games to see what's causing an issue.

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, Sinisterly said:

what games/benchmark tests would you recommend then? 

I recommend running 3DMark SkyDiver and compare his result with other people's (that have a similar config to his) in the result database; not with yours

[Ben_Upde]

As others have already stated, you cannot compare the FX to Intel's lineup. Why? Because the FX processors are old and slow. How do I know this? I just recently moved from an FX 8350 to my i7. Technically fewer 'cores' on the i7 than the FX but more than double the performance. I gained significant frame rate improvements after dumping the FX.