Both Gsync and Freesync

[Virgule]

Hey,

 

I am looking forward to the release of the PG348Q and upcoming lines of GPU from either sides. Since this monitor has a Gsync module, I was wondering if it was possible for a manufacturer to make a gsync monitor support freesync as well. I never saw that being in the works or even talked about. Is this one of these cases of manufacturers having annouced support for X, so they won't support competing Y ?

 

This has probably been answered a few times. I'm sorry if so.

 

Regards

[mikat]

6 minutes ago, Virgule said:

Hey,

 

I am looking forward to the release of the PG348Q and upcoming lines of GPU from either sides. Since this monitor has a Gsync module, I was wondering if it was possible for a manufacturer to make a gsync monitor support freesync as well. I never saw that being in the works or even talked about. Is this one of these cases of manufacturers having annouced support for X, so they won't support competing Y ?

 

This has probably been answered a few times. I'm sorry if so.

 

Regards

monitors don't support both free- and gsync at the same time, but the manufacturer can make 2 versions, a free- and a gsync version

[IAcKI]

I don't think they do as GSync is a propriety controller so they won't support free sync.

[stealth80]

7 minutes ago, Virgule said:

Hey,

 

I am looking forward to the release of the PG348Q and upcoming lines of GPU from either sides. Since this monitor has a Gsync module, I was wondering if it was possible for a manufacturer to make a gsync monitor support freesync as well. I never saw that being in the works or even talked about. Is this one of these cases of manufacturers having annouced support for X, so they won't support competing Y ?

 

This has probably been answered a few times. I'm sorry if so.

 

Regards

Nope not possible yet. However one thing is: Freesync doesn't require any modules so NVidia could drop their gsync support and take up freesync, however it wouldn't work on current/past cards. Chances of that happening? slim they still use PhysX ...

[pagani123]

i doubt nvidia will let monitor manufactures "install" freesync on gsync monitors as they pretty much control and approve gsync monitors. where as anyone can slap freesync into a monitor amd does not officially approve the monitors. that being said i prefer gsync as it more tightly controlled and has a higher chance of not having as many issues as freesync because nvidia approves the monitors. 

[Virgule]

From what you guys respond, what I understand is more "manufacturers don't make monitors that support both and they can't because they currently don't".

 

This doesn't explain why they can't. I know Gsync needs a dedicated modules that is licensed by NVidia. The fact that freesync don't makes it possible in my mind (discarding marketing reasons) to manufacture a monitor that supports both, may it be via a dual bios or whatever else.

[Jahramika]

12 minutes ago, Virgule said:

Hey,

 

I am looking forward to the release of the PG348Q and upcoming lines of GPU from either sides. Since this monitor has a Gsync module, I was wondering if it was possible for a manufacturer to make a gsync monitor support freesync as well. I never saw that being in the works or even talked about. Is this one of these cases of manufacturers having annouced support for X, so they won't support competing Y ?

 

This has probably been answered a few times. I'm sorry if so.

 

Regards

SUre why not but that would defeat Nvidia's real purpose and that keep people buying Nvidia. They could add freesync support to there cards real easy that way Nvidia fans could use a g-sync or freesync monitor. 

[Virgule]

Just now, Jahramika said:

SUre why not

You tell me !

[Virgule]

@Glenwing I need you !

[NoobCase]

1 minute ago, Virgule said:

You tell me !

Moneyz that's why... 

[Virgule]

Just now, NoobCase said:

Moneyz that's why... 

On the contrary ! Pannel manufacturers would MAKE money offering pannels that support both standards. Sure, there's a bit needed R&D but they already make both, so doesn't seem to be a far stretch.

[Glenwing]

24 minutes ago, Virgule said:

Hey,

 

I am looking forward to the release of the PG348Q and upcoming lines of GPU from either sides. Since this monitor has a Gsync module, I was wondering if it was possible for a manufacturer to make a gsync monitor support freesync as well. I never saw that being in the works or even talked about. Is this one of these cases of manufacturers having annouced support for X, so they won't support competing Y ?

 

This has probably been answered a few times. I'm sorry if so.

 

Regards

 

On 6/21/2015 at 8:16 PM, Glenwing said:

There may be one or two in the future, but it's only going to be as a "just to say we did" kind of product. At least with the current G-SYNC module, the only way to do this would be to have two display controllers, the G-SYNC module and a standard controller chip, which would make the monitor exorbitantly expensive, even more expensive than a regular G-SYNC monitor. In addition, it would have to have dedicated inputs for each controller, meaning a DisplayPort input which can only be used for G-SYNC, and another DisplayPort input which can only be used for FreeSync. There are plenty of other design challenges involved too, such as software and features... these would not be shared between the controllers. The monitor would only be able to use ULMB (for example) if you hook your computer to the DisplayPort input connected to the G-SYNC module, not the other DisplayPort inputs. And likewise for any additional features from the monitor vendor which are not included in the G-SYNC module by NVIDIA.

 

There's not much practical purpose or market for such a monitor either, because it would end up being more expensive than either a G-SYNC or FreeSync standalone monitor, and no one is really going to use both. Either you need G-SYNC, in which case you don't care about FreeSync and might as well get a G-SYNC-only monitor for less money, or you need FreeSync, in which case you might as well just get a FreeSync-only monitor for significantly less, and you won't miss G-SYNC. The only person that might want a monitor with both is someone who wants to "future-proof" as much as possible, and wants a monitor that can be used with both so that it doesn't restrict their future GPU upgrade choices.

 

[NoobCase]

2 minutes ago, Virgule said:

On the contrary ! Pannel manufacturers would MAKE money offering pannels that support both standards. Sure, there's a bit needed R&D but they already make both, so doesn't seem to be a far stretch.

Nvidia Moneyz....  So still the answer

[Virgule]

Just now, Glenwing said:

There may be one or two in the future, but it's only going to be as a "just to say we did" kind of product. At least with the current G-SYNC module, the only way to do this would be to have two display controllers, the G-SYNC module and a standard controller chip, which would make the monitor exorbitantly expensive, even more expensive than a regular G-SYNC monitor. In addition, it would have to have dedicated inputs for each controller, meaning a DisplayPort input which can only be used for G-SYNC, and another DisplayPort input which can only be used for FreeSync. There are plenty of other design challenges involved too, such as software and features... these would not be shared between the controllers. The monitor would only be able to use ULMB (for example) if you hook your computer to the DisplayPort input connected to the G-SYNC module, not the other DisplayPort inputs. And likewise for any additional features from the monitor vendor which are not included in the G-SYNC module by NVIDIA.

 

There's not much practical purpose or market for such a monitor either, because it would end up being more expensive than either a G-SYNC or FreeSync standalone monitor, and no one is really going to use both. Either you need G-SYNC, in which case you don't care about FreeSync and might as well get a G-SYNC-only monitor for less money, or you need FreeSync, in which case you might as well just get a FreeSync-only monitor for significantly less, and you won't miss G-SYNC. The only person that might want a monitor with both is someone who wants to "future-proof" as much as possible, and wants a monitor that can be used with both so that it doesn't restrict their future GPU upgrade choices.

 

Hallelujah !! @Glenwing with the knowledge saves the day as always.

 

2 minutes ago, Glenwing said:

The only person that might want a monitor with both is someone who wants to "future-proof" as much as possible, and wants a monitor that can be used with both so that it doesn't restrict their future GPU upgrade choices.

Exactly my case and why I'm asking......

[Glenwing]

8 minutes ago, Virgule said:

Exactly my case and why I'm asking......

I think there are lots of people who would like the idea of a monitor that supports both, but few willing to pay the price if they knew what it would cost. Sure there are some, but not enough for interest from monitor companies. It's often forgotten that even though FreeSync and G-Sync are popular subjects in the forums and places we visit, in the grand scheme we only represent a small percentage of the market, most of the public, even most of the "gamer" market, does not even know these features exist, or care about expensive monitors, anything that says "1080p LED" is enough. And only a small percentage of that small percentage of the market would be willing to pay the price for both, which is a very small number of people.

[stealth80]

As I already said, the easiest way would be for Nvidia to dump Gsync and utilise Freesync, however that proprietary tech not only nets them money in sales of the gsync module, but it also keeps people tied to NVidia. On the flipside, Freesync, whilst it doesn't cost AMD for it to be used physically, it does keep freesync users tied to AMD. Now, this is where I think Nvidia are cutting their own hands off. Yes they keep people tied to Nvidia, however, people may not move over from AMD cause they wont pay the Gsync premium.... 

[Marinatall_Ironside]

7 minutes ago, Glenwing said:

I think there are lots of people who would like the idea of a monitor that supports both, but few willing to pay the price if they knew what it would cost. Sure there are some, but not enough for interest from monitor companies. It's often forgotten that even though FreeSync and G-Sync are popular subjects in the forums and places we visit, in the grand scheme we only represent a small percentage of the market, most of the public, even most of the "gamer" market, does not even know these features exist, or care about expensive monitors, anything that says "1080p LED" is enough. And only a small percentage of that small percentage of the market would be willing to pay the price for both, which is a very small number of people.

I totally agree @Glenwing. With just about everything computer related, we represent a small margin of the market willing to shell out lots of cash for expensive monitors with features that nobody knows existed. I also believe we also represent the most informed as well since we exchange lots and lots of information every hour, because in the grand scheme of things, the vast majority of the market are ill-informed (not to insult, but it's true.)

[Virgule]

Just now, JurunceNK said:

the vast majority of the market are ill-informed 

If you consider "the market" to be anyone that owns a display, then I would agree.

[Jahramika]

19 minutes ago, Virgule said:

On the contrary ! Pannel manufacturers would MAKE money offering pannels that support both standards. Sure, there's a bit needed R&D but they already make both, so doesn't seem to be a far stretch.

Yes but freesync is virtually no extra cost to manufacturers so if Nvidia supported both then more people would get a better experience because of freesync's lower cost. There are 2 major players that make panels Samsung and LG and neither make a g-sync panel but they do make a freesync version and sell it under there name. Manufactures make the majority of their money selling volume not specialty monitors.They let the ASUS and such of the world buy their panels and pay Nvidia the $250 extra to use their special gizmo and worry about selling the low volume item. I can see freesync being just that on every non g-sync in the future. You can buy a freesync from $150 to 1200 panels where Nvidia's cheapest starts at at $400 on new egg up to 1300.

[Glenwing]

3 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

As I already said, the easiest way would be for Nvidia to dump Gsync and utilise Freesync

Yes, but that's not something monitor manufacturers can decide. As it stands for now, and for the foreseeable future, if a monitor vendor wants to implement both FreeSync and the current G-Sync implementation today they would have to do it with separate controllers.

[Virgule]

3 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

As I already said, the easiest way would be for Nvidia to dump Gsync and utilise Freesync, however that proprietary tech not only nets them money in sales of the gsync module, but it also keeps people tied to NVidia. On the flipside, Freesync, whilst it doesn't cost AMD for it to be used physically, it does keep freesync users tied to AMD. Now, this is where I think Nvidia are cutting their own hands off. Yes they keep people tied to Nvidia, however, people may not move over from AMD cause they wont pay the Gsync premium.... 

As much as I want that to happen for the sake of standardization, I have come a long way and accepted that G-sync is to this day somewhat "better" than Freesync on the grounds of low FPS cut and ghosting. I REALLY like the idea of Freesync being, well free, and not needing additional licensed hardware but at this point, I just want the best panels to support the better features, with a preference for all of the features of course.

[Jahramika]

Just now, Glenwing said:

Yes, but that's not something monitor manufacturers can decide. As it stands for now, and for the foreseeable future, if a monitor vendor wants to implement both FreeSync and the current G-Sync implementation today they would have to do it with separate controllers.

OH ya no doubt they could include both controllers and whichever is detected by the GPU it will switch to and use. Just the extra cost to do that not sure why. Sounds like this guy has a Nvidia card and does not want to pay for a g-sync or wants options for the futre

[stealth80]

Just now, Virgule said:

As much as I want that to happen for the sake of standardization, I have come a long way and accepted that G-sync is to this day somewhat "better" than Freesync on the grounds of low FPS cut and ghosting. I REALLY like the idea of Freesync being, well free, and not needing additional licensed hardware but at this point, I just want the best panels to support the better features, with a preference for all of the features of course.

I agree, I have a Gsync RoG (well spiritually its away for RMA) and I loved my brief experience with it. Just feels like Nvidia is crippling the market with it when everyone could use Freesync and flip and change between AMD/Nv as they see fit. But then again, Nvidia crippling the market is nothing new, take Gameworks for example...

 

And this is coming from me with 2x 970 and a Gsync monitor lol

[Jahramika]

Just now, Glenwing said:

Yes, but that's not something monitor manufacturers can decide. As it stands for now, and for the foreseeable future, if a monitor vendor wants to implement both FreeSync and the current G-Sync implementation today they would have to do it with separate controllers.

http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-34UC98-W-ultrawide-monitor

 

Just ordered mine today. Now I can decide if I like my 27um67-b or this 34" better.

[Jahramika]

Just now, stealth80 said:

I agree, I have a Gsync RoG (well spiritually its away for RMA) and I loved my brief experience with it. Just feels like Nvidia is crippling the market with it when everyone could use Freesync and flip and change between AMD/Nv as they see fit. But then again, Nvidia crippling the market is nothing new, take Gameworks for example...

 

And this is coming from me with 2x 970 and a Gsync monitor lol

Honestly I think also Nvidia tries to push Asus and others that make there g-sync to go to high on the refresh rates and I see a lot o people complaining. Then the same panels used on a freesync are less refresh rates and I see a lot less complaints. I think they are trying to push panels to do more than they are designed for.

 

http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-34UC98-W-ultrawide-monitor   Will let ya know mine will be here tommorow