Intel i3 4160 or AMD fx 6300 ll stock vs stock ll Gaming

[Mikjul]

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moar cores now!

[SkilledRebuilds]

Let's be honest, if we're talking shit that can use all 8 cores...

but yeah, generally this is true

Yeah I know,

True multicore games taking the FX performance up and up is a great thing, if only all games were equally good at doing so.

[AverageHardware]

I have an i3 4170 and it plays everything at medium/high settings at 1080p. It has strong single core performance, and the hyperthreading really comes in handy most times. Here is some data based off of my use. My GPU is a GTX 750 Superclocked 1GB.

 

Battlefield 4: 80-120 fps at medium 1080p. 45-60fps at high 1080p

League: Maxed out with over 200 fps 1080p

Minecraft: Maxed out with 150 fps at 1080p

RS: Medium settings at 1080p

H1Z1: Low/Medium at 1080p(This game could really use a quad core)

 

Most FPS games you can played at high settings with amazing FPS.

 

[Nena Trinity]

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-core-i3-6100-review

[SkilledRebuilds]

I have an i3 4170 and it plays everything at medium/high settings at 1080p. It has strong single core performance, and the hyperthreading really comes in handy most times. Here is some data based off of my use. My GPU is a GTX 750 Superclocked 1GB.

 

Battlefield 4: 80-120 fps at medium 1080p. 45-60fps at high 1080p

League: Maxed out with over 200 fps 1080p

Minecraft: Maxed out with 150 fps at 1080p

RS: Medium settings at 1080p

H1Z1: Low/Medium at 1080p(This game could really use a quad core)

 

Most FPS games you can played at high settings with amazing FPS.

Questions...

 

Does your CPU hit 100% load in many games?

 

Is your GPU usage @ or near 95-100% at all times using your i3 in Games?

 

(Not that I'd expect the 750 to give more than you can use, but does the i3 affect the lowend GPU tier Usage?)

If it does dip down, how often? (If noticed)

[AverageHardware]

Questions...

 

Does your CPU hit 100% load in many games?

 

Is your GPU usage @ or near 95-100% at all times using your i3 in Games?

 

(Not that I'd expect the 750 to give more than you can use, but does the i3 affect the lowend GPU tier Usage?)

If it does dip down, how often? (If noticed)

I've only really looked while playing Battlefield 4 on the High preset, and the GPU is 85-100% all the time. Other games, I don't know. If there is one in particular you want me to look at, I can do it when I get home in about 5 hours. CPU, I don't know. I can look at that as well.

 

Edit: By dip down, do you mean GPU usage or FPS?

[SkilledRebuilds]

I've only really looked while playing Battlefield 4 on the High preset, and the GPU is 85-100% all the time. Other games, I don't know. If there is one in particular you want me to look at, I can do it when I get home in about 5 hours.

 

Edit: By dip down, do you mean GPU usage or FPS?

GPU usage (Which will kill FPS with it) When the CPU usage is so high (80-100%) does your GPU usage drop with those CPU spikes.

I figured the i3 in BF4 would be at high usage, when i5's are similarly used a lot,..70-80% used on my i5, 55-70% on my i7.

As long as performance is optimal for the hardware chosen ie: not a i3+980Ti, and nothing is TOO out of balance most people are fine with such lighter CPU's and midrange GPU's.

 

Has to be a balance though...or your wasting potential performance.

[AverageHardware]

GPU usage (Which will kill FPS with it) When the CPU usage is so high (80-100%) does your GPU usage drop with those CPU spikes.

I figured the i3 in BF4 would be at high usage, when i5's are similarly used a lot,..70-80% used on my i5, 55-70% on my i7.

As long as performance is optimal for the hardware chosen ie: not a i3+980Ti, and nothing is TOO out of balance most people are fine with such lighter CPU's and midrange GPU's.

 

Has to be a balance though...or your wasting potential performance.

Yes, you are right on that. When I'm playing BF4, the CPU is 80-100%, but I haven't experienced any stuttering in the 70 hours of gameplay that I have on this PC. I think that the balance between the i3 4170 and GTX 750 is perfect. They don't bottleneck each other. That being said, I haven't experienced any stuttering when JUST playing Battlefield. If you try to do anything else at the same time(watch a video/stream, or have something else eat up 10-20% of the CPU), it will definitely stutter. 

[SkilledRebuilds]

Yes, you are right on that.  If you try to do anything else at the same time(watch a video/stream, or have something else eat up 10-20% of the CPU), it will definitely stutter. 

Yeah but thats a given, even my overclocked 2600K and gaming while watching video, would do that too.. (video would stutter, not the games tho) maybe people expect too much multi-tasking to be fully capable while under real 3D load. But I'm in the habit of closing things when I'm gaming, always have, prob always will.

[Prysin]

If no overclocking, get the i3...

 

Dont get a cheapo mobo though. grab a nice one so you have a nice mobo once you want to upgrade to a i5 or i7

[Prysin]

Yeah but thats a given, even my overclocked 2600K and gaming while watching video, would do that too.. (video would stutter, not the games tho) maybe people expect too much multi-tasking to be fully capable while under real 3D load. But I'm in the habit of closing things when I'm gaming, always have, prob always will.

My FX 8320 could play back 4k video while playing games... yeah, it actually managed to do so. Yes if there was fast paced scenes in both game and video, one or the other would lag. But it would do both.

 

My i7 4790k can do it too just as good (with the same result... fast paced scenes will cause lag or stutter in either game or video)...

 

it REALLY depends on what you expect... but more cores, EVEN IF WEAK, do help A LOT on multi-tasking.

However there is no. and i mean NO REAL WORLD BENCHMARK, OR EVEN FAIR TEST OF REAL WORLD MULTITASKING... SO YOU NEVER SEE THE ACTUAL PROWESS OF MANY CORES/THREADS.

 

This is why people keep saying "well intel i5 is great for everything really"...

No, it has its limits and they should respect that. But they wont.

[SkilledRebuilds]

My FX 8320 could play back 4k video while playing games... yeah, it actually managed to do so. Yes if there was fast paced scenes in both game and video, one or the other would lag. But it would do both.

 

My i7 4790k can do it too just as good (with the same result... fast paced scenes will cause lag or stutter in either game or video)...

 

Same here, playing high bitrate movies,.. some random stuttering media while I was doing other things, like the HDD is being accessed twice at the same time, when its not, although some random fullscreen internet video's would too (by stutter I mean occasional, not a lot)

Like watching PCPER live online while playing some Games, but its so random when it happens I just took it as normal stuff to deal with.

 

But even a simple stutter is distracting if the audio is playing as well. I havn't watched a video while playing in ages tbh..

[Prysin]

Same here, playing high bitrate movies,.. some random stuttering media while I was doing other things, like the HDD is being accessed twice at the same time, when its not, although some random fullscreen internet video's would too (by stutter I mean occasional, not a lot)

Like watching PCPER live online while playing some Games, but its so random when it happens I just took it as normal stuff to deal with.

 

But even a simple stutter is distracting if the audio is playing as well. I havn't watched a video while playing in ages tbh..

iv'e reached the conclusion a few years back, after i went from a dual core to my FX 8320. that never ever again should i down-prioritize multi-tasking.

I do not care really. If you can fit a bigger CPU in there, with more cores. Do it.

Because having to close your browser because some stupid adds using flash, eating resources in the background, or shutting off spotify/youtube music to play a game, it is so annoying that it really aint even amusing.

 

but benchmarks doesnt test that. they only show you raw, pathological performance. They show you "multi core loads". but only "sequential" load, such as rendering. Not random load (which can be way worse for stuttering)...

 

People give FX shit, and the core performance really does warrant that shit. But their raw multi-tasking does not. Not at that price point. People say "dont get the i7 for gaming. just get a i5"... as if no game ever will move beyond needing 4 cores within the lifetime of that i5... (we have gone from dual to quad core based games in 8 years, but multi-core (4+) has taken just 3 years to gain footing... Yeah, what does that tell you?)

But there is no benchmark for that... so "who cares"... right?

[Nena Trinity]

I personally would pick the FX if I was gonna OC it to 4.0 or 4.5 but if not go for i3 and some fast RAM but RAM is a good idea for both!

[Prysin]

I personally would pick the FX if I was gonna OC it to 4.0 or 4.5 but if not go for i3 and some fast RAM but RAM is a good idea for both!

FX has weak memory controllers. you can get 2133 to work, but only if you use 2 out of 4 dimms. it CANNOT power 4x sticks of RAM at any speed over 1600...

even if you pump up the voltage of the SB and RAM.. ive tried with a 4x 8GB 1866MHz Kingston HyperX Savage kit... IT JUST DOES NOT WORK

 

And yes, my Sabertooth board could handle 1866MHz.

 

So FX does have some caveats.... that you simply cannot work around

[Nena Trinity]

FX has weak memory controllers. you can get 2133 to work, but only if you use 2 out of 4 dimms. it CANNOT power 4x sticks of RAM at any speed over 1600...

even if you pump up the voltage of the SB and RAM.. ive tried with a 4x 8GB 1866MHz Kingston HyperX Savage kit... IT JUST DOES NOT WORK

 

And yes, my Sabertooth board could handle 1866MHz.

 

So FX does have some caveats.... that you simply cannot work around

Really? I set my RAM to 2133MHz CL11 and it seems to work great and I got 16GBs of 4x4! x.x

 

RAM 1 & 3: HyperX Savage DDR3 2133MHz CL11 4GB (2x4GB) / RAM 2 & 4: Patriot Viper III DDR3 2133MHz CL11 4GB (2x4GB)

[Dabombinable]

In gaming, the i3 hands down. And remember that the FX 6300 is 4 years old, and was bad for gaming when launched.

[Prysin]

In gaming, the i3 hands down. And remember that the FX 6300 is 4 years old, and was bad for gaming when launched.

age doesnt really matter.

290X is 3 years old. Still kicking ass.

your point is moot.

 

my RAM was launched a few years ago... still works fine.

 

i got a 3 year old SSD, still going strong, no bad partitions. Despite being a boot drive for 3 years....

 

Performance matters. Age does not.

Sandy Bridge is still fine

Ivy Bridge is still fine

Phenom II is still fine

FX sports the same isntruction sets as Haswell, the boards in general has as good or better features bar the top most Z97 boards sporting proper Gen3 PCIe M.2 ports and intel boards in general have one or two PCIe Gen3 x16

 

but that is it...

 

again, as was previously discussed. If you are multi-tasking heavily. FX would probably fare better. but i3 is the "best for gaming" since he aint OCing

[Dabombinable]

age doesnt really matter.

290X is 3 years old. Still kicking ass.

your point is moot.

 

my RAM was launched a few years ago... still works fine.

 

i got a 3 year old SSD, still going strong, no bad partitions. Despite being a boot drive for 3 years....

 

Performance matters. Age does not.

Sandy Bridge is still fine

Ivy Bridge is still fine

Phenom II is still fine

FX sports the same isntruction sets as Haswell, the boards in general has as good or better features bar the top most Z97 boards sporting proper Gen3 PCIe M.2 ports and intel boards in general have one or two PCIe Gen3 x16

 

but that is it...

 

again, as was previously discussed. If you are multi-tasking heavily. FX would probably fare better. but i3 is the "best for gaming" since he aint OCing

With a CPU based on an architecture that was bad when it was launched, it does. With a GPU that is based on what is still a very good architecture it doesn't. Features aren't everything, features don't let you play games or run programs any better. And Phenom II are still fine because their K10 architecture is far superior to what has been used in the FX line. I also know of the use case scenarios, which is why "In gaming, the i3 hands down".

[Prysin]

With a CPU based on an architecture that was bad when it was launched, it does. With a GPU that is based on what is still a very good architecture it doesn't. Features aren't everything, features don't let you play games or run programs any better. And Phenom II are still fine because their K10 architecture is far superior to what has been used in the FX line. I also know of the use case scenarios, which is why "In gaming, the i3 hands down".

age still DOES NOT MATTER.

 

an architecture is bad. or it is not. Whether it is old or not is irrelevant. Completely irrelevant.

 

It is "old". But there are still parts made for it. Hell there was a new MSI mobo comin out just a month or two ago. a NEW AM3+ board... yeah.

 

Again AGE IS IRRELEVANT. Performance is all that matters

[Prysin]

derp

[Dabombinable]

age still DOES NOT MATTER.

 

an architecture is bad. or it is not. Whether it is old or not is irrelevant. Completely irrelevant.

 

It is "old". But there are still parts made for it. Hell there was a new MSI mobo comin out just a month or two ago. a NEW AM3+ board... yeah.

 

Again AGE IS IRRELEVANT. Performance is all that matters

Problems with the age of the FX line include lack of PCIe gen 3.0, which is needed for M.2 SSD and PCIe NVMe SSD.

[Prysin]

Problems with the age of the FX line include lack of PCIe gen 3.0, which is needed for M.2 SSD and PCIe NVMe SSD.

and as the two of us discussed before. the price for these drives are filthy expensive...

 

also, M.2 Gen2.0 is still 1500 read/write at max performance... which is STILL 3x the speed of a ordinairy 850 Evo...

 

Kingston Predator M.2 240GB (200 USD) is a Gen2 drive that will work with such a slot at maximum performance.

It may not be a Samsung 950 Pro. But it is still radically faster tehn any 2.5" SSD....

[Nena Trinity]

In gaming, the i3 hands down. And remember that the FX 6300 is 4 years old, and was bad for gaming when launched.

3 years and its better than i3 in some games yet worse in other games...

[Nena Trinity]

In gaming, the i3 hands down. And remember that the FX 6300 is 4 years old, and was bad for gaming when launched.

3 years and its better than i3 in some games yet worse in other games... ((DAMN YOU IPOD TOUCH!!!))