Need a new cooling solution, maybe...

[Drixen]

Hello all,

Well it sure is hard to please me, isn't it? I am being tested, and I am not completely satisfied. I have a Cooler Master Silencio 352 case (amazing by the way, such a professional chassis) with a Cooler Master Gemini S524 Ver. 2 CPU cooler. It is designed for X99 sockets, fully supporting the TDP of the 5820k, so my worry is not there. Where my worry lies is the cooling efficiency, and now that the thermal paste has settled 100%, I have noticed my temps DRASTICALLY went up, and a lot.

Where I used to sit temp wise was 31*c-37*c idle (EXCELLENT!) and with a max temp under load after 30 minutes 100% was 68*c-71*c (cores 1,3,4,5 were 68 and cores 2,6 were 71)

 

Now: idle is 46*c-48*c and under 100% load for 30 minutes is 79*c-81*c. What a change! (I do not like Haswell-e's going above 80)

There are no over clocks, only Intel's stock turbo boost, because let's be serious.. why over clock the 5820k when stock it performs amazing? 

 

I know these temperatures are not far outside of the "safe zone"... but it does worry me that my cooling efficiency has been affected so much. In regard to cooler reseat, I have performed a reset AND applied new paste and my results are exactly the same, so weird.

 

Maybe it is because I have so much experience of using AiO liquid cooling solutions and custom loop, and used to lower temps, but for being air cooled I had hoped to be a little under where I currently am at now.

And for the record, if I overclock the CPU to 4.0ghz, I cannot complete OCCT CPU stress test and it cancels the test automatically because at 10 seconds in it will reach above 85*c. 

 

I have VERY limited air cooling options not because of the case, but because of the motherboard I have- the EVGA X99 Micro (1st gen), a lot of air coolers will overhang PCI-e slot #1, which is the most important slot since how the 5820k is mapped, slot #1 is the only slot that gets registered as x16 speeds, regardless if motherboard says slots 2 and 3 are x16 they will default to x8 per the CPU PCI-e mapping.

What solutions can you guys provide in a realistic and professional way? I do NOT want short, easy-to-google answers. I want the value input from this forum because I love the vast knowledge, and unparalleled experience from all the members. If you read this far, you truly care and I hope you all can understand and respect my concern. 

Thank you!! 

 

**PS: here is my setup, minus my GTX 980 (EVGA warranty claim, HD 7450 is installed temporarily) And I know, the bottom looks cluttered it is because the 2 PCI-e power connectors are there for when my 980 comes back. WIth the cables out from the bottom it is VERY clean**

[Drixen]

By the way, the CPU cooling fan is a Noctua NFA14...probably THE best 140mm fan on the market and my temps are still as described above. And again, for the 2nd time I just want to point out the cables on the bottom provide ZERO obstruction to air flow management, as it looks cluttered because of the two PCI-e power connectors being staged for when my GTX 980 comes back from the warranty claim it is just plug-and-play no hassle.

Thanks.

[Aytex]

a aio on the top?

then all done?

(cable management )

[Sam Z Man]

Do you have any dust clogging up the filters or heatsink?

 

Dat cable management makes me weep.

[zzenigmaxzz]

1 thing im noticing it looks like you have no exhaust fans, that may help if you change the rear fan to exhaust

[MblaZe7run]

why over clock the 5820k when stock it performs amazing?

Because of that little "k" at the end of the model number.

 

Have you factored in any changes in ambient temperature? Also, what were your before temps? I failed to notice load temps from before, only idle.

[Drixen]

a aio on the top?

then all done?

(cable management )

 

As stated twice.

By the way, the CPU cooling fan is a Noctua NFA14...probably THE best 140mm fan on the market and my temps are still as described above. And again, for the 2nd time I just want to point out the cables on the bottom provide ZERO obstruction to air flow management, as it looks cluttered because of the two PCI-e power connectors being staged for when my GTX 980 comes back from the warranty claim it is just plug-and-play no hassle.

Thanks.

[MblaZe7run]

1 thing im noticing it looks like you have no exhaust fans, that may help if you change the rear fan to exhaust

Bingo. Didn't notice this. Turn that rear fan around, bud. You're not letting the hot air escape your system except through very small nooks and crannies!

[Drixen]

As stated: Where I used to sit temp wise was 31*c-37*c idle (EXCELLENT!) and with a max temp under load after 30 minutes 100% was 68*c-71*c (cores 1,3,4,5 were 68 and cores 2,6 were 71)

 

Because of that little "k" at the end of the model number.

 

Have you factored in any changes in ambient temperature? Also, what were your before temps? I failed to notice load temps from before, only idle.

[Drixen]

Bingo. Didn't notice this. Turn that rear fan around, bud. You're not letting the hot air escape your system except through very small nooks and crannies!

 

 

1 thing im noticing it looks like you have no exhaust fans, that may help if you change the rear fan to exhaust

 

WOW. Good catch... wtf. I can't believe I didn't notice that.

[MblaZe7run]

As stated twice.

But they do provide obsrtuction of airflow. Do you see that bottom fan at the front? Yeah, that's blowing right where the HDD cage, your rats nest cables, and your PSU are. Those need managed, dude.

[zzenigmaxzz]

fans blow towards the sticker side... you have the sticker facing in so its blowing air in to the case

[zzenigmaxzz]

But they do provide obsrtuction of airflow. Do you see that bottom fan at the front? Yeah, that's blowing right where the HDD cage, your rats nest cables, and your PSU are. Those need managed, dude.

he already stated those are only there as temps for his 980

[KemoKa]

An AIO or a large Noctua cooler. And to be honest, when you're sold an X99 setup, it's pretty much expected that you're going to overclock it. They're enthusiast parts, you owe it to yourself to take advantage of what you've been sold. Not really possible on such a small cooler, but switch it out for a better one and you'll be overclocking the shit out of that part in no time

[Drixen]

fans blow towards the sticker side... you have the sticker facing in so its blowing air in to the case

Thanks, too! 2 people caught this and I didn't. I had removed the rear for reseat of cooler which adds to the reason why temps went up

[KemoKa]

and reverse the rear fan, Seriously, you're not allowing it to breathe, you're just pulling in more and more air. You've got waaay too much positive airflow in that case.

[Drixen]

and reverse the rear fan, Seriously, you're not allowing it to breathe, you're just pulling in more and more air. You've got waaay too much positive airflow in that case.

 I had removed the rear for reseat of cooler which adds to the reason why temps went up. I put it back in wrong, thanks! My temps will go back to where they were when I move it the right orientation.

[MblaZe7run]

he already stated those are only there as temps for his 980

That is a hell of a lot of cables for a 980. I didn't think they took more than 2... *shrugs* oh well. Beggars can't be choosers, he asked for guidance as to possible causes for this problem, we gave them to him. They ARE NOT ALL for his 980. They ARE providing obstruction of airflow. Will it make a significant difference? No. Will it look better if they are better managed? Yes. Will it sleep better at night knowing I offered my guidance as asked, regardless of the outcome? Yes.

[Drixen]

That is a hell of a lot of cables for a 980. I didn't think they took more than 2... *shrugs* oh well. Beggars can't be choosers, he asked for guidance as to possible causes for this problem, we gave them to him. They ARE NOT ALL for his 980. They ARE providing obstruction of airflow. Will it make a significant difference? No. Will it look better if they are better managed? Yes. Will it sleep better at night knowing I offered my guidance as asked, regardless of the outcome? Yes.

I didn't regard your statement, I simply pointed it out 2 times and this is what it looks like without the PCI-e cables: 

 

Notice the 2 PCI-e cables hanging? This is what I mean pal.

[SkilledRebuilds]

Fan swapped, temps?

[Drixen]

Fan swapped, temps?

Yes, because I installed the rear fan backwards when I removed the cooler for reseat as explained earlier. When it is exhaust, my temps will go back where they were when the rear was setup as exhaust. I have too much positive airflow as result of improper orientation on rear fan.

[Drixen]

Update:

My temps are down from where they were. I originally reinstalled the rear fan as INTAKE (a simple mistake on my part that I didn't notice)

 

Here it is now, as EXHAUST:

 

 

And for everyone complaining about "the mess", this is what I am saying.. with these 2 connectors wrapped up it looks clunky, but it is not. The 2 PCI-e cables are hanging to the side to show that when I get my 980 back in, it WILL be cleared up. I simply stated it twice and people seem to bash me when I repeatedly stated it doesn't obstruct. Here is the proof while I changed the rear fan orientation:

 

 

[Drixen]

Fan swapped, temps?

OC @ 4.0ghz IDLE (if at 4.0ghz 100%, temps go to 85*c and test ends- set it up where it stops at that temp range)

 

OEM ghz @ IDLE and 100% LOAD (30 minutes)

Min is idle, Max is load

[SkilledRebuilds]

OC @ 4.0ghz IDLE (if at 4.0ghz 100%, temps go to 85*c and test ends- set it up where it stops at that temp range)

 

OEM ghz @ IDLE and 100% LOAD (30 minutes)

Min is idle, Max is load

Wouldn't worry about the cable management posts..

 

Some people are SUPER-ANAL, and want you to be just as ANAL as them...Ignore them if you could care less about it.

Good that your system is back in proper efficient working order...

[Drixen]

I have gained one of two knowledge key points on this cooler:

1. At stock speeds, the cooler performs well and adequate. (I do not do anything that requires over clocking, as the speeds it ships with is just fine for what I do. I can game at ultra settings and I am good to go. I am not a benchmark king kind of guy.

 

2. If I want to overclock more than 3.3ghz, I need a new cooler. But like I said, I have no ambition on getting past 4ghz, nothing requires me too. I do not need to be on leader boards for bench marking.