Help with Godavari system

[Hassan Qandil]

Hello guys
This is my first topic in the forum
and I would like you to help me to build godavari system for my brother
I picked this list of parts

APU : AMD A10-7870K
MOBO : Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3H
RAM : Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB 2400Mhz (CMY8GX3M2A2400C11R)
PSU : Corsair Builder Series CX430 430W
SSD : ADATA Premier Pro Series SP900 128GB MLC

My biggest concern is the bios compatibility with the new APU
is the motherboard will work but I need to update the bios for maximum performance
or it's not going to boot at all
second question .. do I buy R7 250 GPU to active Dual Graphics
or wait 6 months and buy GTX 960

if you have other opinion please let me know
and I am sorry for my weak english
Thank you

[Sam Z Man]

Whats this guys budget?

[Hassan Qandil]

400 - 500$

[Aniallation]

400 - 500$

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($61.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.89 @ OutletPC) 

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 

Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $481.82

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-21 00:09 EDT-0400

[WereCat]

As long the motherboard is FM2+ and not just FM2 it will work.

Also don't do CF with R7 250. Just get R9 380 later over GTX 960. They cost the same but R9 380 performs better.

[TheKDub]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($61.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.89 @ OutletPC) 

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 

Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $481.82

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-21 00:09 EDT-0400

 

 

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[Hassan Qandil]

are you 100% sure that the motherboard is compatible with a10-7870k .... because PCPartPicker say it's not

please give me guaranteed answer

[ZerueLX11]

Hello guys

This is my first topic in the forum

and I would like you to help me to build godavari system for my brother

I picked this list of parts

APU : AMD A10-7870K

MOBO : Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3H

RAM : Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB 2400Mhz (CMY8GX3M2A2400C11R)

PSU : Corsair Builder Series CX430 430W

SSD : ADATA Premier Pro Series SP900 128GB MLC

My biggest concern is the bios compatibility with the new APU

is the motherboard will work but I need to update the bios for maximum performance

or it's not going to boot at all

second question .. do I buy R7 250 GPU to active Dual Graphics

or wait 6 months and buy GTX 960

if you have other opinion please let me know

and I am sorry for my weak english

Thank you

 

Go for this, 4 core gaming!

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($69.49 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-H Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($48.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Apotop 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($43.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($50.99 @ Newegg) 

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R7 360 2GB Video Card  ($113.98 @ Newegg) 

Case: Xigmatek Recon ATX Mid Tower Case  ($35.98 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($40.98 @ Newegg) 

Case Fan: Xigmatek CFS-OXGKS-WU6 53.3 CFM 120mm  Fan  ($9.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $401.92

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-21 01:53 EDT-0400

 

 

Buy a r7 370 for $50 more. 

 

 

The Athlon is pretty good and will hold up for 1080p 60fps high settings. Forget about getting an APU.

[Prysin]

Hello guys

This is my first topic in the forum

and I would like you to help me to build godavari system for my brother

I picked this list of parts

APU : AMD A10-7870K

MOBO : Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3H

RAM : Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB 2400Mhz (CMY8GX3M2A2400C11R)

PSU : Corsair Builder Series CX430 430W

SSD : ADATA Premier Pro Series SP900 128GB MLC

My biggest concern is the bios compatibility with the new APU

is the motherboard will work but I need to update the bios for maximum performance

or it's not going to boot at all

second question .. do I buy R7 250 GPU to active Dual Graphics

or wait 6 months and buy GTX 960

if you have other opinion please let me know

and I am sorry for my weak english

Thank you

Hello, and first off, good choice for budget system.

Your RAM, APU and motherboard should be fine.

for the sake of upgrading later, get a 550w 80+ Bronze powersupply, this would allow you to get a R9 280X or R9 380, both of which is better then the 960, and most importantly, since you already have AMD drivers installed because of the APU, you wont risk getting driver issues when adding Nvidia drivers into the mix.

NEVER buy a R7 250 for Dual Graphics crossfire. Instead, if you need help, i can help you overclock the APU enough to compensate for the lack of the 250 (it is not hard). However, i am only familiar with hte ASrock bios for APU builds, ASrock does have a A88X board that is usually the same price as the gigabyte one, so you can freely choose between them. Either will be fine for overclocking.

As for your SSD, please do NOT use Adata. Their SSDs are some of the worst on the market, instead get a Samsung 850 Evo, Crucial BX100 (specifically the BX100, MX100 is sluggish), or the Kingston SSDnow 300 120GB. All of these are faster then the Adata one, The kingston may even be cheaper.

[Prysin]

Go for this, 4 core gaming!

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($69.49 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-H Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($48.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Apotop 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($43.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($50.99 @ Newegg) 

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R7 360 2GB Video Card  ($113.98 @ Newegg) 

Case: Xigmatek Recon ATX Mid Tower Case  ($35.98 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($40.98 @ Newegg) 

Case Fan: Xigmatek CFS-OXGKS-WU6 53.3 CFM 120mm  Fan  ($9.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $401.92

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-21 01:53 EDT-0400

 

 

Buy a r7 370 for $50 more. 

 

 

The Athlon is pretty good and will hold up for 1080p 60fps high settings. Forget about getting an APU.

its the exact same CPU as inside the APU, the 860k is just slightly downclocked. However that is a nice build, it will however use slightly more power, like 100w more on average.

[Prysin]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($61.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.89 @ OutletPC) 

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 

Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $481.82

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-21 00:09 EDT-0400

In gaming, Athlon 860k matches the i3, but it costs less. SO your build is sort of wasted, unless OP plans to buy a R9 390 or GTX 970 anytime soon, the Athlon/APU will hold up against the i3 in games just fine. i3 is generally 10 FPS better in gaming, if both athlon/APU and i3 uses a R9 285/380/960. Below 285/380 the Athlon, i3, APU, i5, i7, FX - their all bottlenecked by the GPU will perform within 3% of eachother. Yes, at R9 270/270X levels it will barely be 3% between a 50 USD athlon and a 330 USD i7.

Sub 500 - Always go with athlon, it allows you to get a SSD and maybe even a 280/280X into the build, which the i3 doesnt.

[Sam Z Man]

In gaming, Athlon 860k matches the i3, but it costs less. SO your build is sort of wasted, unless OP plans to buy a R9 390 or GTX 970 anytime soon, the Athlon/APU will hold up against the i3 in games just fine. i3 is generally 10 FPS better in gaming, if both athlon/APU and i3 uses a R9 285/380/960. Below 285/380 the Athlon, i3, APU, i5, i7, FX - their all bottlenecked by the GPU will perform within 3% of eachother. Yes, at R9 270/270X levels it will barely be 3% between a 50 USD athlon and a 330 USD i7.

Sub 500 - Always go with athlon, it allows you to get a SSD and maybe even a 280/280X into the build, which the i3 doesnt.

The 860k is comparable to a G3258 not a i3.

[Prysin]

The 860k is comparable to a G3258 not a i3.

Yes and no.

In pure CPU compute, both intel CPU beat the Athlon. However IN GAMES, specifically GAMES.

http://anandtech.com/show/9307/the-kaveri-refresh-godavari-review-testing-amds-a10-7870k

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Systems/Quad-Core-Gaming-Hardware-Roundup/Metro-Last-Light-and-Middle-Earth-Shadow-Mordor

Now, please look at the 7850k/7870k/860k. Yes it LOOSES by 10Fps to the i3 4130 at 285/380/280X levels of GPU. That is the max you can really utilize with the 860k, above that and you see the i3 pull ahead a little, then more and more.

The G3258 isnt a match for hte Athlon, it is slightly below. Why? Well the pentium is faster in CPU heavy tasks and benchmarks for sure, this is after all a Haswell Refresh vs a Steamroller CPU, so ofc, intel will win with superior IPC and single core compute. However due to the pentium lacking 4 threads, thus being stuck on 2 cores with 2 threads rather then 2 cores with 4 threads like the i3 and 860k, the pentium is not only locked out of some newer games, but it struggles with others. A few people have reported freezes and stuttering when trying to run GTA 5 on a G3258, while the 860k shows smooth gameplay around 50-60 FPS.

The 860k is comparable to an i3 3xxx gen CPU. The i3 will still be better in single core tasks that requires the superior IPC of intel CPUs, however in games they will be pretty close, even closer then the Haswell refresh series.

By and large, sub 500 USD, where you will struggle to get a well rounded intel setup without cutting down on something, the Athlon is the superior choice.

If you are strictly gaming, at 600 USD - with the exception of you planning to upgrade within 6-9 months, then the athlon will be a better choice then an i3 for a simple reason. Depreciation.

All parts depreciate in price over time, And with intel having a close to yearly release cycle of new computers, most intel based systems will start dropping in price. In my own country, they drop as much as 2-4 dollars every 3 weeks. Sure doesnt sound much, but 6 months = 24 weeks, divided by 3 that is 8 drops... 8x 4 dollars is 32 USD...

And that is only for the CPU, add in a mobo and suddenly, you are talking 50 USD or more. Increase the waiting time to 9 months and you are close to 80 USD.

Add ontop of this the initial savings of 60-70 USD (A88X FM2+ mobo with ability OC costs about the same as any cheap intel mobo so they cancel eachother out). So 6-9 months later, the saving of buying a cheaper Athlon, over a i3, and thus getting a better GPU at the beginning rather then much later, would have landed you with a better gaming system initially, while saving up for a i5 build later on.

However, if you are totally sure to grab an i5, or if you will get a bonus later in the year allowing you to upgrade, then please, for the love of god buy Intel i3.

If you arent sure about your future income, eg student, unemployed etc... Buy the Athlon 860k + a HD 7950/7970 GHz/R9 280/280X and a cheap SSD for boot drive.

Such a system will feel much nippier then a i3 with a HDD, because you couldnt squeeze a SSD into the build due to increased cost of the i3.

Everything has its place, sub 550-600 USD, you will be hard pressed to find good arguments for not getting AMD. What you lose in raw CPU power, you can regain in both storage speeds (SSD), boot up times (SSD), GPU horsepower and overclocking ability (wont do much for a steamroller CPU, but every little bit helps)

[Sam Z Man]

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The fact that you have to go down to a 260X to stop seeing a diference in performance between a i3 and a 860K shows that its not comparable the i3 wins every time.

And also what is the upgrade path of FM2+ of wait there is none.

And you are wrong saying the 860K is a dual core with 4 threads.

And a 860K bottlenecks every card you suggested in a handful of games.

[Prysin]

The fact that you have to go down to a 260X to stop seeing a diference in performance between a i3 and a 860K shows that its not comparable the i3 wins every time.

And also what is the upgrade path of FM2+ of wait there is none.

And you are wrong saying the 860K is a dual core with 4 threads.

And a 860K bottlenecks every card you suggested in a handful of games.

What is the upgrade path of Haswell after August?

not a damn shit.

Skylake comes out, New socket, New chipset, DDR4.

After August, Haswell is at the mercy of remaining product stocks, and given how retailers often want to clear out their old stock before getting new, you can expect that current 4xxx series intel chips will sell pretty cheap and pretty fast. Granted how fast users emptied the remaining stock of 290s and 290Xs after the 300 series dropped and the 200 series prices too a dive, i wonder how long you can still get a i5 4460 or 4690k before retailers either hack up prices to milk the consumers hoping to still get a haswell CPU, or simply run out of stock. 9 months? a year?

Closing your eyes to Skylake and the changes IT brings with it doesnt change the fact that LGA1150 IS DEAD PAST AUGUST.

The 860k is a 2 module chip with split integers. So yes it has 4 cores, but their really just 2 full cores split into 4 halves. Yes its not hyperthreading, but programs read these half cores and threads anyway, so who cares on the specifics. i3 and HT is better for sure, but programs doesnt card if its HT or CMT, all they care about is IPC.

and no, the 860k doesnt REALLY bottleneck these cards, before you hit 280X levels, thats when it slowly starts. At 285/380/GTX960.

A bottleneck are only visible in benchmars when the FPS gain isnt relatively linear, after the 290/290X, it is not that linear (based upon how GPUs scale against eachother).

You can see that it gains around 20 FPS between R7 260X and R9 280, however going to R9 290, it gains 4 FPS. We can therefore see that the 280X would be the absolute maximum you would ever benefit from. Sure not all titles will show the bottleneck as clearly as metro or shadow of mordor. But in general, you will see that the 860k can power a GPU up around 280X.

From 280X to 290 there is approximately 10-15% performance gap, GPU vs GPU (when there is no CPU bottleneck). And rom nonX to X its almost always 10% gap. So 10% more perf the 280 is the ceiling.

The i3 can power a 290X pretty fine, i dont have the benchmarks here atm, but at 980 and 980Ti it drops off, clearly showing a CPU bottleneck with the i3.

Please, do try disprove my theory though. You will be hard pressed to find a CPU so cheap, that is so effective in GAMES. And i need to emphasize that it only applies to GAMES. In CPU dependent workload, such as large web documents, photoshop, sony vegas etc... the 860k will work, but even a G3258 would give it a run for its money due to much higher IPC. The i3 would outright shame the 860k.

And if you think this is about fanboyism, no not at this point.

Looking at a system, in its entirety. A beefier GPU + SSD + good processor is more rounded and will feel quicker then a darn fast processor being held back by a weaker GPU and slower HDD

[Aniallation]

In gaming, Athlon 860k matches the i3, but it costs less. SO your build is sort of wasted, unless OP plans to buy a R9 390 or GTX 970 anytime soon, the Athlon/APU will hold up against the i3 in games just fine. i3 is generally 10 FPS better in gaming, if both athlon/APU and i3 uses a R9 285/380/960. Below 285/380 the Athlon, i3, APU, i5, i7, FX - their all bottlenecked by the GPU will perform within 3% of eachother. Yes, at R9 270/270X levels it will barely be 3% between a 50 USD athlon and a 330 USD i7.

Sub 500 - Always go with athlon, it allows you to get a SSD and maybe even a 280/280X into the build, which the i3 doesnt.

The 860k is comparable to a G3258 not a i3.

 

860K is better then G3258, but once you can afford an i3, AMD gets left in the dust. i3 even beats out FX6 and sometimes FX8.

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/401217-more-updated-fx-vs-intel-for-gaming/

 

Simple conclusions - Why Intel i3/i5 are better for gaming then competing AMD:

 

- Generally better gaming performance (see below)

- Lower power consumption

- Lower heat output, heat output that the stock cooler can actually handle, eliminating the need for an aftermarket cooler for a quiet PC

- Upgradability: Buy an i3 now and upgrade to a massively more powerful i7 later while keeping the same motherboard. Buy an FX8 now, and be stuck with it until next mobo upgrade

- Greater motherboard selection, no need for fancy VRMs (see below)

- More modern technologies: PCIe 3.0, native USB 3.0/3.1, on-die integrated graphics (in case of GPU failure, can keep using your PC), etc

 

- Better IPC: Every MHz does more with Intel.

 

More cores does not mean better, if you can't use all of them. Intel cores are not twice as powerful as FX cores (given at stock), but if you can only use half of the cores on your FX then what's the point of having so many?

 

And before people think it, there is no bias here, I am an AMD CPU user. I don't regret my purchase because I did it back in the day when AMD was still highly competitive with Intel's first-gen Core-i CPUs, but here today, I'm just giving cold hard facts.

 

Gaming performance

Grand Theft Auto V

 

 

FX6 and FX8 fall between i3 and i5

 

The Witcher 3

 

 

FX6 and FX8 fall behind respective i3 and i5

 

Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare

 

 

A game optimized pretty darn well for multi-threaded CPUs, still can't see the FX8 pull away from i5

 

Batman Arkham Knight

 

 

Even the top-of-the-line FX 9590 can't catch up to i3

 

Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes

 

 

Lowest-end i3 can compete with FX, but even a 0.4GHz higher model and Intel starts to pull away

 

Project CARS

 

 

Once again FX6 and FX8 falling behind respective i3 and i5

 

Far Cry 4

 

 

I'm sure you can see the pattern here

 

If you note in some of these benchmarks, sometimes FX4 is actually ahead of FX6, because it is running at a higher frequency on each of the cores. These are examples of poor multi-threaded optimization in games. Many AAA titles still can't use more then 4 cores, so 4 FX cores at 3.8GHz is better then 6 FX cores at 3.5GHz.

 

VRMs - what are they and why are they important:

 

When talking about AM3+ boards you'll often hear the term VRMs. These are Voltage Regulation Modules, they are what turn the PSU's 12V into the ~1.4V (FX) your CPU will take. So the higher the power draw of your CPU, the more work the VRMs have to do. On Intel boards this isn't a big deal because at stock speeds you won't see more then 88W of CPU TDP, but you can't trust these same VRMs with the 125W FX chips. Overloading motherboard VRMs can actually lead to them burning out, causing a dead motherboard and possibly a fire hazard.

 

Read more about VRMs: http://www.overclock.net/a/about-vrms-mosfets-motherboard-safety-with-high-tdp-processors

 

Price:

(This is where the text comes in so get your English and math comprehension skills ready)

 

 

People think that FX is cheaper, and therefore is better for the money, and they'd be willing to make that sacrifice in performance for a bit of sacrifice in cost, but in reality, the difference is negligible. Take a look at these comparisons. Again this continues on the fact that you'll want a board with good VRMs for reliability on AM3+, while it's pretty much whatever with locked Intel chips. For this reason we'll be comparing using probably the best "cheap" AM3+ board, the Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P, with it's 8+2 phase VRMs, compared to a budget Intel H97 board.

 

FX-6300 vs i3

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($96.88 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($79.98 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $176.86

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($108.95 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($64.89 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $173.84

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-05 20:01 EDT-0400

 

$3 cheaper for the i3, and keep in mind as we proved above, the i3s are more then capable of competing with FX8 and even FX9 chips, only in the worst case scenario being around the same as FX6. On top of that, the benefits of Intel as listed above.

 

FX-8320 vs i5

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($134.99 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($79.98 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $214.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($166.95 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($64.89 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $231.84

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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$17 more for the i5, for much higher performance and pretty much zero bottleneck with any single GPU in any game, as opposed to the struggling FX...

 

Cooler

 

Do note that these builds are NOT with an aftermarket cooler. While the stock Intel coolers are fine for their accompanying chips, the coolers bundled with 125W FX chips aren't really up to the job, and can become VERY loud under load. If you want a quiet PC you'll want to invest in an aftermarket cooler. The cheapest one worth buying to quiet down an FX chip is the Zalman CNPS5X, which is $17. 

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zalman-cpu-cooler-cnps5xperforma

 

This eliminates the price gap between the FX8 and i5, and makes the i3 choice $20 cheaper then the FX6 choice.

 

But what if I don't live in the USA?

 

 

Canada

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($122.99 @ NCIX) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($109.75 @ Vuugo) 

Total: $232.74

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($136.50 @ shopRBC) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($93.98 @ Newegg Canada) 

Total: $230.48

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($169.75 @ Vuugo) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($109.75 @ Vuugo) 

Total: $279.50

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-05 20:35 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($225.00 @ Vuugo) 

Motherboard: MSI H81M-E34 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($66.00 @ Vuugo) 

Total: $291.00

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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UK

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  (£79.19 @ Aria PC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (£64.54 @ More Computers) 

Total: £143.73

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£84.53 @ Ebuyer) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (£69.47 @ Amazon UK) 

Total: £154.00

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  (£108.13 @ CCL Computers) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (£64.54 @ More Computers) 

Total: £172.67

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£137.36 @ Ebuyer) 

Motherboard: MSI H81M-E34 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (£34.68 @ CCL Computers) 

Total: £172.04

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Kangaroo Land

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($145.00 @ CPL Online) 

Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($145.00 @ CPL Online) 

Total: $290.00

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($152.00 @ CPL Online) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($99.00 @ IJK) 

Total: $251.00

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($205.00 @ CPL Online) 

Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($145.00 @ CPL Online) 

Total: $350.00

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($246.00 @ Centre Com) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($99.00 @ IJK) 

Total: $345.00

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  (€99.90 @ Caseking) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (€85.09 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Total: €184.99

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-06 02:23 CEST+0200

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  (€119.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€76.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Total: €196.84

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  (€139.90 @ Caseking) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (€85.09 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Total: €224.99

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€189.90 @ Caseking) 

Motherboard: MSI H81M-E34 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€56.18 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Total: €246.08

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-06 02:23 CEST+0200

 

 

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Around the world the price differences do change and often the gap grows but there is never a point where the Intel option is "overpriced" compared to Intel, considering the performance you get.

 

[Prysin]

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why are you even mentioning FX?

First off, FX is based upon Piledriver while Kaveri and Godaveri is based on STEAMROLLER. Which has lower frequencies in favor of higher IPC. Single core, clock for clock, steamroller is closer to haswell then any FX. most FX products are just clocked really high to offset IPC.

 

Mentioning clock speeds on a i3 is pointless, it cannot be overclocked so you get what you buy, messing with the core clock is just a bitch that takes time and often leads to poor stability anyway when you dont have the other controls avaliable.

 

nothing of what you mentioned below Gaming Performance has ANY FUCKING ROOT IN THIS TOPIC. The 860k is mentioned once, and that was in Arkham Knight, a game that isnt even on steam anymore because its broken.

 

Just because you are an AMD user doesnt mean that your post doesnt contain bias. I was an AMD CPU user until 2-3 months ago when i swapped to an i7 4790k from, you guessed it, a overclocked FX 8320.... Do you think i dont know the problems with FX?

However do YOU know the difference between FX and Athlon/A10??? No, your post clearly reflects you have no clue and treat them the same. All you did was quote a second of what @Faceman wrote ages ago, without relating to the topic at hand.

 

I will also note that AMDs stock cooler does a better job cooling then the intel ever will do, as Luke and Linus proved in their comparison of stock coolers. The cooler used on the AM3+ chips can actually handle a mild OC, unless you are talking about the FX9xxx, because those were intended to come with their own 120mm radiator, yet somehow a few of them is being sold with the AM3+ stock aircooler for reasons i cannot comprehend. That cooler is made to dissipate 125w of thermal energy, not 220w.... So, please go back to school and learn how these coolers works. The intel cooler in comparison, it often FAILS in tests. Anandtech has a longer article on air coolers and depending on what year they are testing (assuming Intel has made a few revisions over time), it will randomly fail when stress testing a normal i7. We arent even talking X99 i7. We are talking bog standard boring LGA1150 i7.... Like the one i have.

 

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($69.49 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M PRO3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($48.98 @ Newegg)

Total: $118.47

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S1 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $150.98

 

I could go cheaper on the 860k setup, but then i wouldnt get a board i could OC with, incidentally, you cannot OC very well, if at all, with a H81 board anyway.... so why not compare cheapo AMD vs cheapo Intel?

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($69.49 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($39.99 @ Micro Center)

Total: $109.48

 

Oh... ouch, just 41USD difference... in a budget system.... you can nearly get 1TB of storage for that difference.... my oh my....

 

so @Aniallation , before you embarras yourself some more. Go read up on the things in this thread. The argument was never about whether an Athlon is better then a i3 performance wise. That was established 5-7 posts up. The whole argument revolves around G3258 being a useless toy, and the i3 costing too much therefore you have to drop the level of graphic card or drop having a SSD. Then it moved onto what GPU the 860k would bottleneck.

 

[Sam Z Man]

What is the upgrade path of Haswell after August?

not a damn shit.

Just because a new CPU comes out don't mean all the old ones self distruct, I can still buy 3770K's and 2700K's and other Sandy bridge and ivy bridge processors if I want to quite easily.

Single core, clock for clock, steamroller is closer to haswell then any FX.

No when looking at single core clock to clock, steamroller is closer to piledriver and still a long shot compared to haswell.

[Prysin]

Just because a new CPU comes out don't mean all the old ones self distruct, I can still buy 3770K's and 2700K's and other Sandy bridge and ivy bridge processors if I want to quite easily.

No when looking at single core clock to clock, steamroller is closer to piledriver and still a long shot compared to haswell.

And i can still by FM2+ parts... point is, nothing NEW will be made, that is the whole definition of DEAD. This is exactly your own argument thrown back at you. LGA 1150 is DEAD. Sure you can grab an i5 4690k, gonna cost you 200 bucks though... so much worth it, isnt it.

Older Ivy and Sandy bridge parts somehow seem much more expensive, probably because people still try to sell them for near original retail. Dunno, i dont care anyway, i got myself an i7 4790k just because i didnt wanna buy new DDR4 ram with skylake.

 

Piledriver is 45% below haswell in IPC, steamroller is 10% better then piledriver...  Sure it still sucks balls, but it also is closer. Clock for clock, if you OC the steamroller Athlon, youll get closer to haswell then most FX chips, bar the few FX chips that can hit 5GHz and stay there all day long. And there aint many of those.

[Sam Z Man]

And i can still by FM2+ parts... point is, nothing NEW will be made, that is the whole definition of DEAD.

Yea but what better FM2+ CPU can you upgrade to from a 860K, there are none. At least with LGA1150 you can get a CPU upgrade later.

And steamroller does not overclock well at all.

[Prysin]

Yea but what better FM2+ CPU can you upgrade to from a 860K, there are none. At least with LGA1150 you can get a CPU upgrade later.

And steamroller does not overclock well at all.

well, you can get the 890k later, just a better binned version anyways so nothing special. I am fully aware that you can upgrade LGA1150, however lets do a reality check here, mkay? ZEN is coming soon, so is skylake...

 

if OP doesnt upgrade within 12 months, he is better off buying a whole new system due to increased specs of newer parts and the fact that prices for DDR4 will have dropped.

 

Its not just the IPC that will increase, but other features aswell. And in this modern day, features often matter equally as much as performance

[Hassan Qandil]

I picked a similer list and I want to know if it's 100% compatable

 

PUS : EVGA 500B 500 W

MoBo : Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3H

APU : AMD A-Series A10-7870K

RAM : G.Skill TridentX DDR3-2400 CL10 8GB Kit

SSD : SanDisk SSD 128GB

Cooler : Cooler Master Hyper T4

 

Thank you very much

[Hassan Qandil]

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Hassan.Qandil/saved/#view=RcbzK8

 

PPP say that the motherboard isn't ok with the new APU

 

I need help here

 

thank you

[Aniallation]

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If you believe that what you say makes sense, then spend your own hard earned cash on your own damn FM2+ system. 

 

@Sam Z Man just let this guy be ignorant, clearly he just has his panties in a knot along with his APUs, let him think what he wants

[Aniallation]

PPP say that the motherboard isn't ok with the new APU

Yes board may need BIOS update to be 7870K compatible... and there's no new chipset to guarantee compatibility. Another reason to go H97