Nvidia knew...

[sgloux3470]

In some cases yes.  In other cases, the 980Ti is stronger.

 

So exactly like every other tier, right?

 

390x and 980 trade blows.

390 and 970 trade blows.

380 and 960 trade blows.

370 shits all over the 750Ti for the same price point.  

 

Why are we defaulting to Nvidia "winning" when both companies offer performance that is so similar that game level differences decide which one performs marginally better?  Outside of benchmarks you're not going to notice a few FPS difference.  The fact that you can spend almost the exact same amount of money at nearly every tier and get almost exactly the same performance just speaks to how closely matched the two companies are. (The only exception is the 390x/980 tier, wherein the 390x undercuts the 980 a bit for the same performance.)

 

Like OP, do you think Nvidia wanted to throw away *their* profit margin too?  They took a $1000 GPU and sold it for $650.  You think they wanted to do that?  Have you considered that the reason they priced it at $650 is because they knew AMD intended to price the FuryX at $650 and didn't want to be undercut when the performance is so similar?  The street goes both ways, take off the fanboy goggles.  The winner here is consumers, not Nvidia or AMD.

[AnnoyedShelf]

So exactly like every other tier, right?

 

390x and 980 trade blows.

390 and 970 trade blows.

380 and 960 trade blows.

370 shits all over the 750Ti for the same price point.  

 

Why are we defaulting to Nvidia "winning" when both companies offer performance that is so similar that game level differences decide which one performs marginally better?  Outside of benchmarks you're not going to notice a few FPS difference.  The fact that you can spend almost the exact same amount of money at nearly every tier and get almost exactly the same performance just speaks to how closely matched the two companies are. (The only exception is the 390x/980 tier, wherein the 390x undercuts the 980 a bit for the same performance.)

 

Like OP, do you think Nvidia wanted to throw away *their* profit margin too?  They took a $1000 GPU and sold it for $650.  You think they wanted to do that?  Have you considered that the reason they priced it at $650 is because they knew AMD intended to price the FuryX at $650 and didn't want to be undercut when the performance is so similar?  The street goes both ways, take off the fanboy goggles.  The winner here is consumers, not Nvidia or AMD.

This guy knows what's up!

[VagabondWraith]

Are they all on Nvidia games?

No. Look at the benchmarks, will ya?

[Jaybird]

The performance of Fiji and released a better card (980 Ti) ahead of time to squash AMD. They also released the Ti card at $649 to squash AMD's profit margin for the new Fiji architecture thus forcing them to match. Let's be honest, HBM is NOT cheap and AMD didn't want to release it so cheap to begin with.

That's my hypothesis.

Well played Nvidia. Well played.

this is called marketing. 

[Nena Trinity]

No. Look at the benchmarks, will ya?

Link me!

[GrimNeo]

Link me!

http://techreport.com/review/28513/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-graphics-card-reviewed and http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x,4196.html

 

Not sure where the Anandtech review is.

 

 

Also about comparing air vs water

 

Well air cooler will always run hotter than aio liquid cooled card. I don't see why you are comparing the two for heat. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x,4196-8.htmland http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti,4164-8.html

[CurlyCucumber]

let's see if you still say that when the fury nano is released. Then suddenly power efficiency won't matter again I'm guessing.

The 980 ti isn't exactly a power efficient card either and the reference card temps are significantly hotter than the fury x.

I'd like to note that the fury x is water cooled, while the REFERENCE 980ti is being cooled by a blower.

 

Of course it'll be hotter. Are you kidding me? .-.

[ablangc]

So exactly like every other tier, right?

 

390x and 980 trade blows.

390 and 970 trade blows.

380 and 960 trade blows.

370 shits all over the 750Ti for the same price point.  

 

Why are we defaulting to Nvidia "winning" when both companies offer performance that is so similar that game level differences decide which one performs marginally better?  Outside of benchmarks you're not going to notice a few FPS difference.  The fact that you can spend almost the exact same amount of money at nearly every tier and get almost exactly the same performance just speaks to how closely matched the two companies are. (The only exception is the 390x/980 tier, wherein the 390x undercuts the 980 a bit for the same performance.)

 

Like OP, do you think Nvidia wanted to throw away *their* profit margin too?  They took a $1000 GPU and sold it for $650.  You think they wanted to do that?  Have you considered that the reason they priced it at $650 is because they knew AMD intended to price the FuryX at $650 and didn't want to be undercut when the performance is so similar?  The street goes both ways, take off the fanboy goggles.  The winner here is consumers, not Nvidia or AMD.

 

 

I can actually say this is one of the best comments I have read in a while in regards to video cards.

[VagabondWraith]

@sgloux3470,

I think Nvidia can afford to do that. The Titan X was out for 3 months whilst being the best selling Titan ever. There's still people buying a Titan X for the Titan branding and CUDA development. 980 Ti is a high selling card and 980 dropped $50 bucks.

The fact is, this so-called "Titan Killer" or "Hunting Titans" turns out it was never really hunting at all.

[dalomo]

The 980ti is marginally slower than the Fury X

It's also a decent percent faster in some games. they trade blows but the 980ti wins by a bigger percentage when it does. for the time being until AMD gets their drivers perfected.

[dougdangger]

So exactly like every other tier, right?

 

390x and 980 trade blows.

390 and 970 trade blows.

380 and 960 trade blows.

370 shits all over the 750Ti for the same price point.  

 

Why are we defaulting to Nvidia "winning" when both companies offer performance that is so similar that game level differences decide which one performs marginally better?

It highlights the lack of effort on AMD's part.

 

AMD put so much money behind the hype of the Fury and it failed to dethrone even Nvidia's second to the top dog.

 

As for the 370 vs the 750ti, the 370 costs about $160 while the 750ti is $130.  You get nothing free with the 300s at the moment.  You get a $60 Batman game for free with the 750ti.  So you're basically paying $70 for the card.  Besides, the 750ti is for people who want to dip their feet into gaming using their store bought PC, usually with a crappy PSU.  The 370 requires a 450watt unit.

 

Fanboys aren't born overnight.  They are conceived after years of being impressed and satisfied with a product line.  During my time as a PC user, I have swapped teams a few times (red vs green).  However, the past 5 years have been greatly disappointing regarding AMD.  Not just their GPU but CPU as well.  No, I'm not going to buy their product out of pity.  That would be a disservice to myself and the gaming community.

 

Their stocks went down about 7% to a pitiful value of $2.50 per share since the announcement and release of the 3 series.  It also went down another 2% since the debut of the Fury X.

 

So it's not being a fan boy.  It's there's nothing promising on AMD's side.

[sgloux3470]

 

As for the 370 vs the 750ti, the 370 costs about $160 while the 750ti is $130.  You get nothing free with the 300s at the moment.  You get a $60 Batman game for free with the 750ti.  So you're basically paying $70 for the card.  Besides, the 750ti is for people who want to dip their feet into gaming using their store bought PC, usually with a crappy PSU.  The 370 requires a 450watt unit.

 

 

The 370 has an MSRP of $165

The 750 Ti goes for $150-160 on newegg.com, although there are some rebates and other promotions that bring it much closer to $130. 

 

The 750Ti isn't an entry level card.  The 705 through 740 are entry level cards.  It's the low end of Nvidia's Mid range line up.  Comparable in line up to the 360, although the 370 goes for the same price which is why I compare it.

 

 

 

AMD put so much money behind the hype of the Fury and it failed to dethrone even Nvidia's second to the top dog.

 

 

Are we going to keep pretending that the 980Ti isn't identical to the TitanX sans memory?  In terms of real world performance out of the box they perform within a hair of each other.

[dougdangger]

The 370 has an MSRP of $165  $170 at amazon

The 750 Ti goes for $150-160 on newegg.com, although there are some rebates and other promotions that bring it much closer to $130.  $130 at amazon (no rebate required) and includes a $60 game for free.

 

The 750Ti isn't an entry level card.  The 705 through 740 are entry level cards.  It's the low end of Nvidia's Mid range line up.  Comparable in line up to the 360, although the 370 goes for the same price which is why I compare it.

 

 

 

Are we going to keep pretending that the 980Ti isn't identical to the TitanX sans memory?  In terms of real world performance out of the box they perform within a hair of each other.  Hey, AMD promised the Fury would dethrone the Titan.  AMD failed.

[typographie]

The 980ti is marginally slower than the Fury X

 

In a handful of games, and usually only at extremely memory-intensive settings. The 980 Ti seems to end up a bit faster on average in most of the benchmarks I've seen.

[Kellytm3]

AMD lovers coming out of the wood work right now trying to make excuses since Fury X didn't live up to the hype. The 980ti tends to have better minimal frame rates. Its all out there. PC Perspective has a good review and video that sums it all up nicely.

[dougdangger]

If AMD can manufacture and sell "disappointment" they'd make a killing.