Gun Control?

[Panda Bruv]

Now, we're all grown men and women here, so please be peaceful about it. What is your stance on gun control and state why you feel that way. Feel free to link to youtube videos proving or disproving someone's argument.

[vanwazltoff]

i think its pretty dumb, violence will lash out with any medium, guns are just one of a very long list, they only make it a little easier and faster. pointed sticks, knives, forks, bombs, your hands, chain saws, lawn equipment, bow and arrows, axes, electricity, acids, thermite, slick, carbon monoxide, printers, piano wire, swords, rocks, gas, fire, nail guns, the list goes on. the only way to stop violence is to change human nature, just because someone doesnt have a gun doesnt mean they wont beat you to death with a frying pan.

if someone has/wants a gun, power too them, they will be ready for the apocalypse. it would be better for myself not to own one because i am a very violent individual given the circumstance, but i want to own one and most likely will, i feel sorry for the person receiving the bullet but they most likely deserved it.

[Aphexx]

Time To Retard (TTR) is so quick on issues like this, I even think I remember Linus saying he wanted issues like guns and politics out of his forums either way I'll be watching and enjoying whatever comes of this thread

[vanwazltoff]

Time To Retard (TTR) is so quick on issues like this, I even think I remember Linus saying he wanted issues like guns and politics out of his forums either way I'll be watching and enjoying whatever comes of this thread

unless politics directly effect the internet, technology or anything relevant to the field of computers i dont want to see them in computer related forums, there is a time and place for that and linustechtips is not one of them. i live in california and i whole heatedly want to leave this country and move to canada, america shoots itself in the foot 10 times a day and its never going to get any better whether its repubs or demos at the wheel. it needs a dramatic restructuring

[Art Vandelay]

I can't wait to see some of the horrible cliche arguments that get posted in these kinds of threads.

[Night]

We have "Gun control" in New Zealand. You get a license to have a gun, the poilce come and interview you and some other people. You can then buy a gun. We have category's for differnt types of weapons. A standard license will allow you to get semi automatic weapons, like bolt action rifles. Anything else like full auto machine guns are only allowed to be possed by collectors who have to go through a much more rigorus system where something like 20 people have to vouch for them.

If you want a hand gun you have to join the pistol club which meets once a month and has stricter rules.

Our gun culture here is way different though. The only place you can really just walk in and buy a gun is a hunting shop and you still need to have a license. I think this comes down to there being heaps more dickheads in America. More people who will rob banks and steal and kill, and so it is kind of necessary to protect yourself.

[dgtL]

since you said youtube vids are ok i loved this one.

[Guest]

I love Australia's gun laws - takes about 9 months to get your license and if you've got a pistol license you must compete in competitions - if you miss one then they take your license. You can't get clips larger than 10 rounds and you can't have auto's and semis are restricted to very specific needs.

I doubt they'll be able to significantly change American gun laws due to how widespread the distribution is and that a huge proportion of the population is against it.

And anyone who uses the excuse that the founding fathers gave you the right to bare arms - back then it took about a minute to load a single shot - magazines for single person firearms weren't even on the table.

And I propose a better question - why do you need one aside from commercial hunting?

[Art Vandelay]

I'm not trying to make a point with this, but I really laughed when he brought up Ice T.

[xeks]

You can implement all the laws controlling guns but remember this: criminals don't obey laws. More stringent screening before being able to get a firearm on the other hand is good.

[dgtL]

The best point from that is the Constitution secures our right to have weapons incase of civil unrest and to fight against a tyrannical government. With NDAA and other rights stripping laws I feel like its coming to that point where the corporation funded government of the US takes away so many freedoms and rights of citizens that it brings civil unrest. Then we will need those guns to fight against the oppressive and controlling government. just my 2 cents...dont hate me. :)

[StreekG]

I love Australia's gun laws - takes about 9 months to get your license and if you've got a pistol license you must compete in competitions - if you miss one then they take your license. You can't get clips larger than 10 rounds and you can't have auto's and semis are restricted to very specific needs.

I doubt they'll be able to significantly change American gun laws due to how widespread the distribution is and that a huge proportion of the population is against it.

And anyone who uses the excuse that the founding fathers gave you the right to bare arms - back then it took about a minute to load a single shot - magazines for single person firearms weren't even on the table.

And I propose a better question - why do you need one aside from commercial hunting?

Yes you're right about the law here, i am a pistol club member still in the process of getting my license. It does take a while but i prefer it this way.

[Aphexx]

I love the tough as nails keyboard rambos out there but once the 'insurrectionists' lose cell phone coverage the freedom fighters will flop. america is soft look at what happened to new york when they lost their power grid

[EChondo]

since you said youtube vids are ok i loved this one.

I hate Wendy with a passion, but that Penn Jillette guy was a boss. All the women there were blaming everything on something else over and over again when Penn kept disproving it.

Guy shoots kids, blame the gun! Blame the video games! Blame the politicians!

These idiots need to go rot in a hole somewhere, Sue Simmons, Wendy Williams and Nicole Lapin have no idea what they are talking about and should just shut up.

[EChondo]

I love Australia's gun laws - takes about 9 months to get your license and if you've got a pistol license you must compete in competitions - if you miss one then they take your license. You can't get clips larger than 10 rounds and you can't have auto's and semis are restricted to very specific needs. I doubt they'll be able to significantly change American gun laws due to how widespread the distribution is and that a huge proportion of the population is against it. And anyone who uses the excuse that the founding fathers gave you the right to bare arms - back then it took about a minute to load a single shot - magazines for single person firearms weren't even on the table. And I propose a better question - why do you need one aside from commercial hunting?

I understand what you mean by "why do you need one aside from commercial hunting?", I would love to have a gun mainly because I want to protect my family from everything out there. If someone breaks into my home and has a gun/weapon, how am I suppose to protect my family? How am I suppose to stop this guy? What happens if the government becomes corrupt? How am I suppose to defend myself from a broken government?

Guns are a tool like any other, most of us gun enthusiasts want one and have one for protection. Here is a quote from Benjamin Franklin, a founding father; "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."

The Constitution and Amendments were instituted and applied for the sole purpose of defending yourself against the government, even now, our own American government are slowly taking away certain rights, one by one. I know other places in the world have low crime rate or no guns whatsoever, but then look at places like Switzerland, everybody there serves military time and has a weapon, yet the country has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. And again, if you look inside the U.S. and look at the statistics of Texas and how their gun laws allow carried handguns as long as they are not concealed, yet there is almost no gun crime in Texas.

Also a final thought, living in the U.S. I would want a gun near me that is accessible and usable, but if I lived in Canada or England, then I would be fine not having a gun just because of the way the country is. If I lived in Australia even, I know the only people with guns are registered license users and maybe a very small percent that has an unregistered gun(or is this a non-issue in Australia?). In the U.S., there are A LOT of unregistered guns which makes me nervous, because if the U.S. does decide to crack down on guns and take them away, the only guns they will take away are the REGISTERED guns and the people who will only have guns are security, police, military, etc. and the hundreds of thousands of unregistered guns that are in the country, if the U.S. takes away registered guns, I bet crime will increase incredibly as the criminals and anyone else that will break the law know that they can't be shot or killed because no one has guns and they will.

[dgtL]

I love the tough as nails keyboard rambos out there but once the 'insurrectionists' lose cell phone coverage the freedom fighters will flop. america is soft look at what happened to new york when they lost their power grid

yes you have your honey boo boo watching, kim karadashein following, clueless people and plenty of them but if the shit was to hit the fan you would be surprised how many people start living off the land or helping community started gardens or forming small town militias. just because we have gotten soft from stupid media and major increases in technology does not change our instinctual fight or flight response. as a great example of people that love tech and are not wimps; I have a bunch of friends that game and gamer friends that are or were in the armed services. I dont expect to see many of them flop when it comes to beliefs.

btw, i have no idea nor do i care how to spell kims name.

[dgtL]

since you said youtube vids are ok i loved this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Lw7xa6lHU

@EChondo Amen! xD

[dgtL]

I love Australia's gun laws - takes about 9 months to get your license and if you've got a pistol license you must compete in competitions - if you miss one then they take your license. You can't get clips larger than 10 rounds and you can't have auto's and semis are restricted to very specific needs. I doubt they'll be able to significantly change American gun laws due to how widespread the distribution is and that a huge proportion of the population is against it. And anyone who uses the excuse that the founding fathers gave you the right to bare arms - back then it took about a minute to load a single shot - magazines for single person firearms weren't even on the table. And I propose a better question - why do you need one aside from commercial hunting?

I understand what you mean by "why do you need one aside from commercial hunting?", I would love to have a gun mainly because I want to protect my family from everything out there. If someone breaks into my home and has a gun/weapon, how am I suppose to protect my family? How am I suppose to stop this guy? What happens if the government becomes corrupt? How am I suppose to defend myself from a broken government?

Guns are a tool like any other, most of us gun enthusiasts want one and have one for protection. Here is a quote from Benjamin Franklin, a founding father; "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."

The Constitution and Amendments were instituted and applied for the sole purpose of defending yourself against the government, even now, our own American government are slowly taking away certain rights, one by one. I know other places in the world have low crime rate or no guns whatsoever, but then look at places like Switzerland, everybody there serves military time and has a weapon, yet the country has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. And again, if you look inside the U.S. and look at the statistics of Texas and how their gun laws allow carried handguns as long as they are not concealed, yet there is almost no gun crime in Texas.

Also a final thought, living in the U.S. I would want a gun near me that is accessible and usable, but if I lived in Canada or England, then I would be fine not having a gun just because of the way the country is. If I lived in Australia even, I know the only people with guns are registered license users and maybe a very small percent that has an unregistered gun(or is this a non-issue in Australia?). In the U.S., there are A LOT of unregistered guns which makes me nervous, because if the U.S. does decide to crack down on guns and take them away, the only guns they will take away are the REGISTERED guns and the people who will only have guns are security, police, military, etc. and the hundreds of thousands of unregistered guns that are in the country, if the U.S. takes away registered guns, I bet crime will increase incredibly as the criminals and anyone else that will break the law know that they can't be shot or killed because no one has guns and they will.

One of my favorite quotes. wp

[Guest]

I love the tough as nails keyboard rambos out there but once the 'insurrectionists' lose cell phone coverage the freedom fighters will flop. america is soft look at what happened to new york when they lost their power grid

yes you have your honey boo boo watching, kim karadashein following, clueless people and plenty of them but if the shit was to hit the fan you would be surprised how many people start living off the land or helping community started gardens or forming small town militias. just because we have gotten soft from stupid media and major increases in technology does not change our instinctual fight or flight response. as a great example of people that love tech and are not wimps; I have a bunch of friends that game and gamer friends that are or were in the armed services. I dont expect to see many of them flop when it comes to beliefs.

btw, i have no idea nor do i care how to spell kims name.

We can tell :P

[Skull Leader]

I am a US federal law enforcement agent and I have access to fully automatic weapons to protect myself from whatever I might encounter and also have my sidearm with me all the time. I just have to ask the question, "What makes me different than my neighbor? Why shouldn't they have the ability to protect themselves from the dangers in the world?" Here is a video that I think is the best one I've seen that makes the points that I would like to, but does it a lot better than I could.

Research Castle Rock vs Gonzales for the Supreme Court decision that says that law enforcement have no duty to protect you.

[Konn]

Gun control is stupid, gun related incidents are happening more frequently because of America's societal decay. Heck, gun violence could still be the same but the media is just reporting on it more. The 2nd amendment was put in their for a reason, so that the government feared its people, not the people fearing its government.

I read a statistic somewhere a few weeks ago saying Australia is home to more than 1,000,000 guns. That may seem a little but for a population of 23 million that is a lot and we hardly get any gun related incidents. If we do it's usually something to do with a bikie gang or something drug related which costs no innocent lives.

Lose your guns and you will lose your freedom, can't do jack shit here in Australia; just listen and follow and 'depend' on police...

By the way, there are many legal pistols/shotguns in America that shoot higher caliber bullets and do much more damage compared to the AR-15.

[Aphexx]

it is the vast hordes of the soft that will bog down the tough. even look at the 1% of conspiracy theorists on doomsday preppers, their wives and children are awkward as hell around firearms or daily chores. only the crazy as hell lone wolf types like unabomber ted kaczynski living in a ditch with no friends or family will make it and make a good stand till something from the air spots him.

I own rifles, I grew up with guns. in no way do I picture myself as a john connor when the time for revolution or a zombie apocalypse comes.

[dgtL]

it is the vast hordes of the soft that will bog down the tough. even look at the 1% of conspiracy theorists on doomsday preppers' date=' their wives and children are awkward as hell around firearms or daily chores. only the crazy as hell lone wolf types like unabomber ted kaczynski living in a ditch with no friends or family will make it and make a good stand till something from the air spots him. I own rifles, I grew up with guns. in no way do I picture myself as a john connor when the time for revolution or a zombie apocalypse comes.[/quote']

I dont know. I just look at the history of the US and how many times we have gone through wars and rough times The majority would come together to fight for their beliefs or stand behind those fighting. How many of your average women and children helped care for troops during the American Revolution. The women that filled the men's jobs as they fought in WWI. I fell that this drive to support our core values and way of life is not lost from the majority of todays society.

[Mentalguy]

this thread should be locked before the bans start

[HemiPhenom955]

Here's My 2 cents on Gun control,, i may be echoing a few opinions but i didnt read all the posts and replies.

The Second Amendment Rite is deep in my Heart,, i grew up in a family with guns,, i have never owned one my self because of my history,,.

My Concern is "Gun Owner" Control.

And last but not Least,, When do Criminals respect laws. The Owners Need to CONTROL There Weapons.