Gun Control?

[Nirmal]

I think that guns shouldn't be outright banned but instead controlled. I think that a good way to do this is to treat guns like cars, you would need a license, register the guns you have, and make sure you can actually shoot a gun. I know hardcore criminals wont follow these rules but the smaller ones might not bother with going through all the trouble of getting one illegally.

[EChondo]

I think that guns shouldn't be outright banned but instead controlled. I think that a good way to do this is to treat guns like cars, you would need a license, register the guns you have, and make sure you can actually shoot a gun. I know hardcore criminals wont follow these rules but the smaller ones might not bother with going through all the trouble of getting one illegally.

You see, in America(at least in California, where I live) you NEED to have your guns registered, otherwise it is an illegal firearm and you can go to jail/prison/fined. And even before getting the gun there is a background check.

The problem is poor security of guns(the guns not being in safes, locked up) and the misuse of them. Other than that I agree with you :)

[Nirmal]

I think that guns shouldn't be outright banned but instead controlled. I think that a good way to do this is to treat guns like cars, you would need a license, register the guns you have, and make sure you can actually shoot a gun. I know hardcore criminals wont follow these rules but the smaller ones might not bother with going through all the trouble of getting one illegally.

EChondo, that makes scene, I believe California is a state with more control than the average. But some states like Ohio don't have any gun registry.

[Skull Leader]

this thread should be locked before the bans start

It seems that everyone here is taking part in a calm discussion on this issue. Why do you think the discussion needs to be quashed prematurely?

[Faba]

New NRA Prez David Keene's Son Is a Convicted Road-Rage Shooter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-s..._b_856268.html

I don't unterstand the "I need a gun because the government could get crazy/criminal and I need to defend"-argument. If they want, they get you with a drone.

Next Topic: Should everybody have a drone to defend against a criminal government?

:D

[Salmiakbal]

From a perspective from a guy who lives in a place where guns are forbidden by law and therefore where almost nobody has a gun:

I don't feel the need for a gun because nobody has a gun in the first place. I don't feel threatened out on the street, I don't fear for the life of my family.. It's quite nice.

Though I do think the 2nd amendment (and by that I mean the actual way it is written down on paper) is a very important one and should not be demolished.

I don't like the way people see a AR15 like a babykiller 2000 while there are many more larger caliber guns that are fully automatic (AR15 is neither) that are not feared because they don't look like a military gun.

[Art Vandelay]

The best point from that is the Constitution secures our right to have weapons incase of civil unrest and to fight against a tyrannical government. With NDAA and other rights stripping laws I feel like its coming to that point where the corporation funded government of the US takes away so many freedoms and rights of citizens that it brings civil unrest. Then we will need those guns to fight against the oppressive and controlling government. just my 2 cents...dont hate me. :)

>TFW no second amendment equivalent in Canada

[Bob]

I think they should just make murder illegal.

[Mentalguy]

this thread should be locked before the bans start

experience

[Panda Bruv]

I love the tough as nails keyboard rambos out there but once the 'insurrectionists' lose cell phone coverage the freedom fighters will flop. america is soft look at what happened to new york when they lost their power grid

very true, but there are those people who do know what they're doing even though they are far and few they're still out there.

[Emkryan]

I will always say that we should go back to cowboy days when every one and their kid literally had a gun. The problem now is that no one would know what to do with a gun if they had one, no one is taught the proper respect you should have for a gun or someone with one. It wouldn't be an overnight thing but in time it would just be a social norm.

[Aphexx]

I will always say that we should go back to cowboy days when every one and their kid literally had a gun. The problem now is that no one would know what to do with a gun if they had one, no one is taught the proper respect you should have for a gun or someone with one. It wouldn't be an overnight thing but in time it would just be a social norm.

ok everyone has a gun,

you are in a bank standing in line or at a bus stop or at a cafeteria bored as hell so you are playing angry birds on your phone

gunshots, a scream people scrambling and now there are 20 people around you shouting with guns drawn against eachother who's good who is bad can you make that decision as you duck and cover?

there's going to be a lot of great stories about justice being served and there's going to be a lot of friendly fire stories as well

the fog of war is going to be a tough thing for the average trained person to overcome in the real world not everything is like halo where its red vs blue cowboys wearing white hats vs cowboys in black

edit: dammit I'm doing a terrible job at staying out of this thread eating popcorn on the sidelines.

[Prettyfinej]

I will always say that we should go back to cowboy days when every one and their kid literally had a gun. The problem now is that no one would know what to do with a gun if they had one' date=' no one is taught the proper respect you should have for a gun or someone with one. It wouldn't be an overnight thing but in time it would just be a social norm.[/quote']

While some claim that those times were safer, there have been studies to suggest that the murder rate was substantially higher than it is today. http://cjrc.osu.edu/researchprojects/hvd/hom%20rates%20west.html for instance.

[Art Vandelay]

I love Australia's gun laws - takes about 9 months to get your license and if you've got a pistol license you must compete in competitions - if you miss one then they take your license. You can't get clips larger than 10 rounds and you can't have auto's and semis are restricted to very specific needs. I doubt they'll be able to significantly change American gun laws due to how widespread the distribution is and that a huge proportion of the population is against it. And anyone who uses the excuse that the founding fathers gave you the right to bare arms - back then it took about a minute to load a single shot - magazines for single person firearms weren't even on the table. And I propose a better question - why do you need one aside from commercial hunting?

I understand what you mean by "why do you need one aside from commercial hunting?", I would love to have a gun mainly because I want to protect my family from everything out there. If someone breaks into my home and has a gun/weapon, how am I suppose to protect my family? How am I suppose to stop this guy? What happens if the government becomes corrupt? How am I suppose to defend myself from a broken government?

Guns are a tool like any other, most of us gun enthusiasts want one and have one for protection. Here is a quote from Benjamin Franklin, a founding father; "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."

The Constitution and Amendments were instituted and applied for the sole purpose of defending yourself against the government, even now, our own American government are slowly taking away certain rights, one by one. I know other places in the world have low crime rate or no guns whatsoever, but then look at places like Switzerland, everybody there serves military time and has a weapon, yet the country has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. And again, if you look inside the U.S. and look at the statistics of Texas and how their gun laws allow carried handguns as long as they are not concealed, yet there is almost no gun crime in Texas.

Also a final thought, living in the U.S. I would want a gun near me that is accessible and usable, but if I lived in Canada or England, then I would be fine not having a gun just because of the way the country is. If I lived in Australia even, I know the only people with guns are registered license users and maybe a very small percent that has an unregistered gun(or is this a non-issue in Australia?). In the U.S., there are A LOT of unregistered guns which makes me nervous, because if the U.S. does decide to crack down on guns and take them away, the only guns they will take away are the REGISTERED guns and the people who will only have guns are security, police, military, etc. and the hundreds of thousands of unregistered guns that are in the country, if the U.S. takes away registered guns, I bet crime will increase incredibly as the criminals and anyone else that will break the law know that they can't be shot or killed because no one has guns and they will.

The crime rate in Australia and England are pretty high from what I hear.

Here are some stats:

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime

regardless of whether an attacker has a gun or not, I still would feel safer if I were armed with a gun. Guns are expensive on the black market, and it is always better to be more armed than your attacker.

[Emkryan]

I will always say that we should go back to cowboy days when every one and their kid literally had a gun. The problem now is that no one would know what to do with a gun if they had one, no one is taught the proper respect you should have for a gun or someone with one. It wouldn't be an overnight thing but in time it would just be a social norm.

What idiot starts shooting a gun once they hear gunshots? you first see who's shooting, then aim and bang. No more gunshots, not more dead innocent people

[Season]

Talking politics is pointless, especially on the internet.

Therefore, I believe that gun laws should be restricted to Revolution era muskets.

Also, these threads have no place on a tech forum, it contributes to the hostile attitude that plagues places like OCN. If you need to talk politics with your fellow tech nerds, there should be a politics subforum in Off Topic. Just my opinion :)

[Aphexx]

I will always say that we should go back to cowboy days when every one and their kid literally had a gun. The problem now is that no one would know what to do with a gun if they had one, no one is taught the proper respect you should have for a gun or someone with one. It wouldn't be an overnight thing but in time it would just be a social norm.

that's exactly the point.

you look up from your smartphone to see someone shooting, you pull out your gun and bang take him down. what if that guy was a friendly that was returning fire trying to take out the criminal. what if your own social prejudices influence your judgement in determining who the true bad guy is. what if the friendly was a person wearing a hoodie (trayvon pt 2)

2 years ago my uncles took me out deer hunting where I was able to bag my first deer. I could shoot that gun in my sleep with no effort at gophers badgers and other small pests but once I had sights on that big deer everything changed, my heart was pounding in my ears and I had a hard time keeping my hands still even afterwards I had problems opening a can of beer in celebration. what I'm trying to say is when shit is going down and when gunshots are fired in your direction, when shit gets real the simple things to do are not that simple any more.

once upon a time I used to think I was a badass with a gun but ever since that outing I don't know if I'd be capable of following through if I had a human, good or bad, in my sights.

edit:goddamit why am I in this thread again.

[Emkryan]

I will always say that we should go back to cowboy days when every one and their kid literally had a gun. The problem now is that no one would know what to do with a gun if they had one, no one is taught the proper respect you should have for a gun or someone with one. It wouldn't be an overnight thing but in time it would just be a social norm.

that's exactly the point. you look up from your smartphone to see someone shooting' date=' you pull out your gun and bang take him down. what if that guy was a friendly that was returning fire trying to take out the criminal. what if your own social prejudices influence your judgement in determining who the true bad guy is. what if the friendly was a person wearing a hoodie (trayvon pt 2) 2 years ago my uncles took me out deer hunting where I was able to bag my first deer. I could shoot that gun in my sleep with no effort at gophers badgers and other small pests but once I had sights on that big deer everything changed, my heart was pounding in my ears and I had a hard time keeping my hands still even afterwards I had problems opening a can of beer in celebration. what I'm trying to say is when shit is going down and when gunshots are fired in your direction, when shit gets real the simple things to do are not that simple any more. once upon a time I used to think I was a badass with a gun but ever since that outing I don't know if I'd be capable of following through if I had a human, good or bad, in my sights. edit:goddamit why am I in this thread again.[/quote']

That's why like i said people should respect the power that comes with a gun. I would never hurt any one on purpose but if you're shooting at me and I have a gun then I'm putting up a fight. If you're going to own a gun you should have the necessary mental training to be able to handle one at all times.

[Panda Bruv]

New NRA Prez David Keene's Son Is a Convicted Road-Rage Shooter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-s..._b_856268.html

I don't unterstand the "I need a gun because the government could get crazy/criminal and I need to defend"-argument. If they want, they get you with a drone.

Next Topic: Should everybody have a drone to defend against a criminal government?

:D

To be honest, I am getting a gun as soon as I am legal to defend my house from people or animals. And because it's just a hell of a time to go out shooting.

[Panda Bruv]

I think they should just make murder illegal.

Hmm, talk to your local Senator about that one.

[Panda Bruv]

Talking politics is pointless, especially on the internet.

Therefore, I believe that gun laws should be restricted to Revolution era muskets.

Also, these threads have no place on a tech forum, it contributes to the hostile attitude that plagues places like OCN. If you need to talk politics with your fellow tech nerds, there should be a politics subforum in Off Topic. Just my opinion :)

thats a good idea

[HemiPhenom955]

I think the focus we all need to keep is not on Controling the sale and possession of guns, The Focus should be on who is buying these guns.

I personnally own 2 Glock 23's and a Camo Desert Eagle 50cal.

My motto is,,

The Guns are Blind.

The Bullets are Dumb.

People tell the guns ware to look.

People tell the Bullets what to do.

[phillychuck]

They can't control the crazies, if you take away every firearm.. Then they drive a car and run over a dozen people, or figure out how to make a bomb, or maybe even a household chemical poison (bleach + ammonia comes to mind). You can kill with a kitchen knife. My biggest issue with gun control is, its just another freedom taken away from you. The US bases everything on a knee jerk reaction, and politicians strike while emotions are high.

I started buying guns when I delivered pizza, I bought one, learned about them, and went to the range every other week until I was proficient. Who was going to protect me when I would be alone getting a beat down or worse for $50?

[Skull Leader]

They can't control the crazies, if you take away every firearm.. Then they drive a car and run over a dozen people, or figure out how to make a bomb, or maybe even a household chemical poison (bleach + ammonia comes to mind). You can kill with a kitchen knife. My biggest issue with gun control is, its just another freedom taken away from you. The US bases everything on a knee jerk reaction, and politicians strike while emotions are high.

I started buying guns when I delivered pizza, I bought one, learned about them, and went to the range every other week until I was proficient. Who was going to protect me when I would be alone getting a beat down or worse for $50?

When seconds count police are only minutes away.

[Skull Leader]

Talking politics is pointless, especially on the internet.

Therefore, I believe that gun laws should be restricted to Revolution era muskets.

Also, these threads have no place on a tech forum, it contributes to the hostile attitude that plagues places like OCN. If you need to talk politics with your fellow tech nerds, there should be a politics subforum in Off Topic. Just my opinion :)

That's like saying the civil rights movement was a "political issue". This issue spans across all political affiliations and demographics, but shouldn't be viewed as political issue.