FX-8350?

[D3MON]

genuine question(s)
if an i3 is so great for gaming: why get a 4690k?
in most games where overclocking doesnt make a difference(i.e gpu limited games where the graphics card does what you bought it for) that require 4 cores to work properly: why not get a 4430 instead of a 4690k?
in games that hare heavily single threaded where overclocking makes a near linear difference: why not get 1/2 a 4690k for 1/3 of the price? it could overclock more and get even more performance.
(ignoring ddr4 prices which will drop more by the day), if you need more performance/hyperthreading why pay £270 for 4cores/8threads with a 4790k when you can get 50% more power in the form of a 5820k for £56 (~21%) more.
I'm trying to work out why the 4690k is worth 70% more than an 8320 when it doesn't perform 70% better across the board and maybe its just the "i read it on a forum so i'll buy it" followed by "i havent had any problems so i must recommend it to others" effect where just because something isnt a steaming turd....it must be great and it snowballs with intel users being intels own advertising.

how come we never hear of instances where someone had a pentium dual core and they upgraded to a quad core and it made a huge difference? didn't upgrades used to do that.
I stand by that sandybridge was a huge revolution (maybe overselling this a bit) compared to nahalem and its been fairly stagnant since with nothing worth upgrading to, sure 5% more ipc is and 5% less power consumption isn't nothing, but if that 5% less power consumption is due to a 5% ipc increase at the expense of overclocking...whats its net worth?

if intel released a 4.5ghz stock 4.7ghz turbo i5 K edition for £200/$300 people would buy it like hotcakes, im surprised they haven't (yet)

edit- the fx8 lineup is an "8 integer core" leave it at that, you cant call it a quad core or an 8 core because both are wrong and explaining about clustered multithreading (which i have found to be very useful personally) just leaves simpletons confused so drop it.

[stconquest]

How is the 8350 not an 8-core?

 

It runs four modules with two weaker "cores" each.  With the IPC of current Haswells, I would like to see a comparision of an i7 single core + threading against one of those modules from AMD... utilizing a parallel process. 

 

Would the i7 core (with HT) beat the single AMD module?

[NeatSquidYT]

No. Get a 4690k For gaming

4440 has similar performance for a lower price...

[helloimtom-]

It runs four modules with two weaker "cores" each.  With the IPC of current Haswells, I would like to see a comparision of an i7 single core + threading against one of those modules from AMD... utilizing a parallel process. 

 

Would the i7 core (with HT) beat the single AMD module?

Ohhhhh okay, thanks for clearing that up for me. So would that be comparable to what nvidia did with the GTX 970's "4GB, but not true 4GB"?

[Icecube26]

LTT needs to have a subforum for AMD, Intel, Nvidia just so we dont have to deal with fanboy wars like this one.

[zappian]

Ohhhhh okay, thanks for clearing that up for me. So would that be comparable to what nvidia did with the GTX 970's "4GB, but not true 4GB"?

 

Not really , it has shared fpus so in floating point calculations its not a true eight core.

 

But in integer based stuff its a eight core basically.

[stconquest]

Ohhhhh okay, thanks for clearing that up for me. So would that be comparable to what nvidia did with the GTX 970's "4GB, but not true 4GB"?

 

I was gonna draw that parallel...but you know

[stconquest]

LTT needs to have a subforum for AMD, Intel, Nvidia just so we dont have to deal with fanboy wars like this one.

I like the argue-counter argue nature... amongst the crap, good information is shared.  I get to read it.

 

Personallly I struggled to keep up with Intels when I had a Phenom II on my main, going to an IvyBridge was a much better experience. 

 

The AMD's are not bad, they are just more trouble then they are worth.  Sure, looking at average FPS might make them seem competative... but those dips on the lows is where you really wish you had an Intel.

[CalumGiff]

First and foremost if you are gaming there i next to no point going for an 8 core when u can buy a 4 core with the same clock speed very little games make use of more than 4 cores. Anyway though id buy an i3 4160 right now if u can afford the i5's and that will give u a very clear upgradability path on the lga 1150 socket that in the long run will stand you in good stead

[BigChimp97]

I don't have any preferences on graphics cards, it was between the 290x lighting and at the time a cheaper 970 strix, now they are both the same price

It honestly depends on what you play, could you give us a list on what your intending on playing? Just a quick bit of advice though, the only thing that the FX series are shocking for, are MMO's, anything else and your good

[i_build_nanosuits]

genuine question(s)

if an i3 is so great for gaming: why get a 4690k?

in most games where overclocking doesnt make a difference(i.e gpu limited games where the graphics card does what you bought it for) that require 4 cores to work properly: why not get a 4430 instead of a 4690k?

in games that hare heavily single threaded where overclocking makes a near linear difference: why not get 1/2 a 4690k for 1/3 of the price? it could overclock more and get even more performance.

(ignoring ddr4 prices which will drop more by the day), if you need more performance/hyperthreading why pay £270 for 4cores/8threads with a 4790k when you can get 50% more power in the form of a 5820k for £56 (~21%) more.

I'm trying to work out why the 4690k is worth 70% more than an 8320 when it doesn't perform 70% better across the board and maybe its just the "i read it on a forum so i'll buy it" followed by "i havent had any problems so i must recommend it to others" effect where just because something isnt a steaming turd....it must be great and it snowballs with intel users being intels own advertising.

how come we never hear of instances where someone had a pentium dual core and they upgraded to a quad core and it made a huge difference? didn't upgrades used to do that.

I stand by that sandybridge was a huge revolution (maybe overselling this a bit) compared to nahalem and its been fairly stagnant since with nothing worth upgrading to, sure 5% more ipc is and 5% less power consumption isn't nothing, but if that 5% less power consumption is due to a 5% ipc increase at the expense of overclocking...whats its net worth?

if intel released a 4.5ghz stock 4.7ghz turbo i5 K edition for £200/$300 people would buy it like hotcakes, im surprised they haven't (yet)

edit- the fx8 lineup is an "8 integer core" leave it at that, you cant call it a quad core or an 8 core because both are wrong and explaining about clustered multithreading (which i have found to be very useful personally) just leaves simpletons confused so drop it.

 

Many good questions in that post, and while i can't cover them all (no time) i'll just say this:

A Good gaming is CPU is a STRONG QUAD-CORE CHIP, games want 4 processing threads for the most part and they want them to be FAST AS POSSIBLE for best performance and maximum smoothness...you can go out and buy a X99 board an 5820K...you'll get those 4 strong threads...but you spend an extra 40 to 50% more once you consider RAM and motherboard (you can't just ignore those, it's fact..they cost a lot) ...so what are your choices, if you have unlimited budget and want maybe some more future proofing with a CPU that can handle 8 threads and much faster clock out of the box you can get the i7-4790K which is IMHO the best ''high-end'' Cpu for gaming right now.

The i3 is a good CPU, but it will have a harder time in some of the more recent modern online AAA titles, it having 2 strong threads and 2 weaker ones...a locked i5 such as the i5-4460 for example is a budget sensible option for sure, it has the 4 strong threads and it won't break the bank...for MOST users something like this should be the GO TO CPU for gaming indeed...so why the 4690K...i'd say people like having the unlocked multiplier for some of the CPU bounds game maybe but mostly for the wow factor of overclocking...it might help them down the road to get some more longevity out of their invesstment too.

[Icecube26]

not everyone is living in the US where u have microcenter

 

I like the argue-counter argue nature... amongst the crap, good information is shared.  I get to read it.

 

Personallly I struggled to keep up with Intels when I had a Phenom II on my main, going to an IvyBridge was a much better experience. 

 

The AMD's are not bad, they are just more trouble then they are worth.  Sure, looking at average FPS might make them seem competative... but those dips on the lows is where you really wish you had an Intel.

but arguing doesnt solve anything... and besides.. not every1 is living in the US where u have microcenter... where the prices are much lower than in EU.. where i live intel cost almost twice as much as AMD... and it doesnt perform that fast to justify the money that i would spend on him,

[D3MON]

not everyone is living in the US where u have microcenter

 

but arguing doesnt solve anything... and besides.. not every1 is living in the US where u have microcenter... where the prices are much lower than in EU.. where i live intel cost almost twice as much as AMD... and it doesnt perform that fast to justify the money that i would spend on him,

this^ for me. coudlnt afford intel...well actually if it justified the cost I could  but short of getting a 5820k its not worth it for me.

i agree tehre should be sub forums, down on the software section theres a guy asking about using the igpu to help with every day tasks....like amd is working on with HSA.

yet noone saw that did they, no its all just 3.5gbgate and how bad amd is from people that arent using them or whos needs were beyond amds offerings anyway. if i had an i3 id be complaining about intel right now but i chose my parts based on my needs not what forums say.

[Icecube26]

this^ for me. coudlnt afford intel...well actually if it justified the cost I could  but short of getting a 5820k its not worth it for me.

i agree tehre should be sub forums, down on the software section theres a guy asking about using the igpu to help with every day tasks....like amd is working on with HSA.

yet noone saw that did they, no its all just 3.5gbgate and how bad amd is from people that arent using them or whos needs were beyond amds offerings anyway. if i had an i3 id be complaining about intel right now but i chose my parts based on my needs not what forums say.

funny thing is... that most people here recomend only intel  for gaming... but game developers  recomend amd aswell for gaming...

[D3MON]

funny thing is... that most people here recomend only intel  for gaming... but game developers  recomend amd aswell for gaming...

ubisoft recommends consoles for gaming....just thought id throw that dig in there.

[Zgypt118]

ubisoft recommends consoles for gaming....just thought id throw that dig in there.

yes caas consolss ar best and booby-soft no s best

[SkilledRebuilds]

game developers  recommend amd as well for gaming...

Because they HAVE to.

You can't put a recommended specs list together and NOT have both Intel/AMD listed, same as Nvidia/AMD parts on the recommended specs list.

Ignoring one would only cause a shitstorm their not prepared to deal with. (See every Intel VS AMD or Nvidia vs AMD thread)

[arnavvr]

Out performed by the i5 4440+.

 

How much are you willing to spend on the motherboard?

 

Correction: i3 4130+