[Build Help] AMD CPU for Sapphire R9 280 or 280x

[harrynowl]

Intel would offer more consistent results in gaming.

 

If you can afford an i5 4460 or similar- great.

 

If not an i3 4150 will offer a good experience.

[ScH4ll3R]

HD 4600 is OK for 720p and things like CS:GO/LoL at 1080p, but integrated GPU's are pretty horrible right now all around for gaming. 

If you're going with a 280(x) I'd suggest a i5-4440 and H81 motherboard or i5-4460 and H97 motherboard. They're, in my opinion, the best value gaming CPU's. 

 

So, between the CPU and mobo, the i5 4460 is about 30-40 € more, is it worth?

[Fate]

So, between the CPU and mobo, the i5 4460 is about 30-40 € more, is it worth?

Up to you whether or not it is worth it. H97 has more expandability (more ram slots and PCI slots) and a few other things here and there I believe. 

[TorqueS]

@OP

 

As many people say here if the main thing you do is gaming, then intel is the way to go...a locked i5 4460 + a cheap H81 motherboard is currently the best bang for the buck in gaming.

If you did other things, like streaming, editing, recording, and wanted to OC a little, then a FX8 might seem like a good deal, but it's still arguable. An i5 4690K will do pretty good at that too. There is also the Xeon E3 solution which costs about the same or even less than a OCable i5, and it's similar to an i7.

 

That doesn't mean AMD is garbage...no they're good as stand-alone CPUs...they'll do anything you throw at them...but Intel counterparts will do it better..which is just the way things have to be..i mean Haswell is a new architecture...there's obviously an improvement...otherwise what's the point of releasing a new line-up. 

 

If the difference is noticeable and worth it, that's up to the user.

 

I am an AMD user...look in my sig..and you'll see my system. I'm doing lots of things on this PC...editing funny videos from holidays...VMs(i like to test OSs and stuff), and i'm also gaming. From my point of view...the 8350 is doing fine. I don't feel the need of upgrading...but that's just me. I'm not going to head out and yell "Ha..bich nubz AMD reks intel ha ha". No...that's just plain stupid. But the same goes for Intel users who claim that.

 

So the bottom line....all your requests considered, intel i5 or i3 is the right CPU for your job.

[Dabombinable]

So, between the CPU and mobo, the i5 4460 is about 30-40 € more, is it worth?

I'd recommend an i5 4440 for a start (it will be good for quite a while, unless Intel's next line of CPUs outclasses their current ones completely, with a socket 1150 motherboard that meets your needs (though you might want to ask about any you choose before buying, each brand has its own issues and reliability).

[ScH4ll3R]

@OP

 

As many people say here if the main thing you do is gaming, then intel is the way to go...a locked i5 4460 + a cheap H81 motherboard is currently the best bang for the buck in gaming.

If you did other things, like streaming, editing, recording, and wanted to OC a little, then a FX8 might seem like a good deal, but it's still arguable. An i5 4690K will do pretty good at that too. There is also the Xeon E3 solution which costs about the same or even less than a OCable i5, and it's similar to an i7.

 

That doesn't mean AMD is garbage...no they're good as stand-alone CPUs...they'll do anything you throw at them...but Intel counterparts will do it better..which is just the way things have to be..i mean Haswell is a new architecture...there's obviously an improvement...otherwise what's the point of releasing a new line-up. 

 

If the difference is noticeable and worth it, that's up to the user.

 

I am an AMD user...look in my sig..and you'll see my system. I'm doing lots of things on this PC...editing funny videos from holidays...VMs(i like to test OSs and stuff), and i'm also gaming. From my point of view...the 8350 is doing fine. I don't feel the need of upgrading...but that's just me. I'm not going to head out and yell "Ha..bich nubz AMD reks intel ha ha". No...that's just plain stupid. But the same goes for Intel users who claim that.

 

So the bottom line....all your requests considered, intel i5 or i3 is the right CPU for your job.

 

Hi there, and thanks for your reply.

 

I do some of these things, recording and editing of course, but I don't feel the urge to invest on a CPU based on that. I feel like I'm driven by the feeling of have the full PC built at once, and not having to wait for the GPU

[ScH4ll3R]

I'd recommend an i5 4440 for a start (it will be good for quite a while, unless Intel's next line of CPUs outclasses their current ones completely, with a socket 1150 motherboard that meets your needs (though you might want to ask about any you choose before buying, each brand has its own issues and reliability).

 

I can get an i5 4460 with a H97 board as @Fate suggested. My first guess was this: http://www.pccomponentes.com/msi_h97_pc_mate.html

[Dabombinable]

I can get an i5 4460 with a H97 board as @Fate suggested. My first guess was this: http://www.pccomponentes.com/msi_h97_pc_mate.html

From what I've seen its decent motherboard, that was actually one of the motherboards I was looking at to replace my current ASUS H87M. And if you are able to get an i5 4460, go for it as the higher stock speed will give it a bit more life than an i5 4440.

[D3MON]

If I had to choose an Intel, I'd choose an i5 for sure.

My problem is that I've never owned an AMD CPU, I had an Athlon X2 on a laptop, but i wouldn't consider that a good experience. I currently own an i7 3610QM, on a laptop too, and I'm pretty happy with it.

 

People I know that they own an Intel, say AMD is pure rubbish, and people that i know that they own an AMD, say Intel owners are rich and hyped

Yeah I wouldnt have an amd laptop, in that case every milliwatt matters, on a pc 430watts vs 450watts isnt a huge deal, epecially if the power draw is for shorter because the work gets done quicker.

intel folks say amd is rubbish because they spent more money and likely have to justify it or have the superiority complex like we do with console boys "mine better for what i do so therefore its better than what you have in all scenerios", amd owners say intel people are rich because lots of them are, as for the hype.

all we ever hear is how awesome the pentium-k is as i have done sometimes aswell for certain uses (despite it being pinned at 100% in modern titles), and how the i3 beats the 8320 in minimums, and how a 4690k is the best gaming choice and if you're not overclocking a 4460 is the way to go and a 4430 is just a slower cheaper 4460...so which intel cpu is best?

working backwards from most recommended as seen on lots of threads 4690k vs 4460=if you're not overclocking 4460 wins because its cheaper for the same cpu underneith, 4460 vs 4440=4440 is just cheaper and has a slower boost clock by 0.1ghz so get that, i5-4440 vs i3-4330=they both have 4 threads so in multi threaded games they'll be very close in single threaded games the i3 at 3.5ghz will be faster, i3-4330 vs pentium-k=pentium k overclocked will match an i3 and in some games will beat the i3 because its clocked much higher around 4.6+vs the i3 at 3.5,  if you're gpu limited you're gpu limited, if your not gpu limited your probably on a low resolution, playing a non-demanding game, (WoW, LoL) a bad game engine, or havent got the settings up or a mix of these.

  In single threaded games an overclocked pentium k will kick the arse off ANY cpu on the market today, but itll suck for heavy rendering/editing/winzip etc, and in cpu heavy tasks that are evenly threaded there should be no difference between a 4430 at £103 and a £170 4690k but which does everyone recommend? " oh but i want to render and need a powerful cpu" in that case spend seeing as you have the money why dont you spend double on the cpu and get a 5820k, its going to perform the same in games but itll blow it into the weeds in anything cpu heavy, you could render and game at the same time and it wont batter an eye.

[Dabombinable]

Yeah I wouldnt have an amd laptop, in that case ever milliwatt matters, on a pc 430watts vs 450watts isnt a huge deal, epecially if the power draw is for shorter because the work gets done quicker.

intel folks say amd is rubbish because they spent more money and likely have to justify it or have the superiority complex like we do with console boys "mine better for what i do so therefore its better than what you have in all scenerios", amd owners say intel people are rich because lots of them are, as for the hype.

all we ever hear is how awesome the pentium-k is (despite it being pinned at 100% in modern titles), and how the i3 beats the 8320 in minimums, and how a 4690k is the best gaming choice and if you're not overclocking a 4460 is the way to go and a 4430 is just a slower cheaper 4460...so which intel cpu is best? working backwards from most recommended as seen on lots of threads 4690k vs 4460, 4460 vs 4440 (or 4430), i5-4440 vs i3-4330, i3-4330 vs pentium-k, if you're gpu limited you're gpu limited, if your not gpu limited your probably on a low resolution, playing a non-demanding game, (WoW, LoL) a bad game engine, or havent got the settings up or a mix of these.

  In single threaded games an overclocked pentium k will kick the arse off ANY cpu on the market today, but itll suck for heavy rendering/editing/winzip etc, and in cpu heavy tasks that are evenly threaded there should be no difference between a 4430 at £103 and a £170 4690k but which does everyone recommend? " oh but i want to render and need a powerful cpu" in that case spend seeing as you have the money why dont you spend double on the cpu and get a 5820k, its going to perform the same in games but itll blow it into the weeds in anything cpu heavy, you could render and game at the same time and it wont batter an eye.

Xeons are an alternative to an i7. Of course if your graphics card fails, you don't have an iGPU to use while your waiting on a replacement.

[zappian]

Xeons are an alternative to an i7. Of course if your graphics card fails, you don't have an iGPU to use while your waiting on a replacement.

 

My motherboard comes with onboard VGA, i never like the igpu on intel cpus.

[Dabombinable]

My motherboard comes with onboard VGA, i never like the igpu on intel cpus.

Ikr? It was always a useful feature when motherboard makers included it. Unfortunately for everyone Intel decided that instead of significantly increasing performance with the available space from each die shrink, they started including iGPU. Fair enough if its for a laptop as the power consumption wouldn't be as high. But in desktops it makes very little, if any sense at all.

Edit: The G33 iGPU on my ASUS P5K-VM is a dual core and is a lot smoother under full load then the single core HD 4600 (I can play games and actually do other things at the same time with no problems, I can't say the same for the 4600).

[zappian]

Ikr? It was always a useful feature when motherboard makers included it. Unfortunately for everyone Intel decided that instead of significantly increasing performance with the available space from each die shrink, they started including iGPU. Fair enough if its for a laptop as the power consumption wouldn't be as high. But in desktops it makes very little, if any sense at all.

 

Most people using intel cpus are gamers looking for STP that have discrete cards.

[D3MON]

Xeons are an alternative to an i7. Of course if your graphics card fails, you don't have an iGPU to use while your waiting on a replacement.

Id take a xeon over an i7 so long as i wasnt planning to overclock like in a very small form factor otherwise id pay a few bucks more and go i7e, my 2c.

integrated graphics is for people that don't have graphics cards lying around 

[Icecube26]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7EKshAR0YU

looks playable to me...considering that its a 3 year old cpu...

[Dabombinable]

looks playable to me...considering that its a 3 year old cpu...

There is playable, then there is playable. I'd try ACU on my X5450, but I've got a dead motherboard and I never plan on getting a game that was so bad at launch, To think Ubisoft had the gall to sell it as a finished product.

[tnlich]

You're the shallow minded person if you went through the links I posted and still think FX are good "bang for the buck" gaming CPU's. 

LOL not shallow minded my friend. Just a realist. I am not going to argue Intel over AMD. I mean look at my Build for gods sake. No no I am just stating that AMD FX and even the Phenom will be gaming way past 2015. Is all. Just like a fellow Appy Mountain man to get his feathers in a ruffle over something silly like this.

 

 

 

Has anyone seen my Jellybeans?

[Fate]

LOL not shallow minded my friend. Just a realist. I am not going to argue Intel over AMD. I mean look at my Build for gods sake. No no I am just stating that AMD FX and even the Phenom will be gaming way past 2015. Is all. Just like a fellow Appy Mountain man to get his feathers in a ruffle over something silly like this.

Has anyone seen my Jellybeans?

Ok cool, that doesn't mean I should buy a Phenom II chip for gaming in 2015. The guy is literally asking what CPU to BUY right NOW in 2015. You stating that FX/Phenom/older Intel platforms are capable of gaming is irrelevant because everybody knows that, but that doesn't make them the best option in 2015.

[ScH4ll3R]

To AMD... Or not to AMD... That is the question

[zappian]

Guys 1150 is the best socket and has the best upgrade path.

 

Intel cpus are better at gaming.

 

AMD cpus are better at productivity on a budget

 

/thread.

[tnlich]

Also.. As long as people are gaming and being top players with AMD builds. You can preach this and that about team red till you fall over dead. If they have the product and they do competitive gaming out there and are top players . HELLO!!!!!!!!!! McFly!!!!! AMD is the bang for the buck. Also if your building a AMD tower for anything else than gaming.. Well then I agree with all the statistics and bunk .

 

 

 

 

Anyone seen K-9?

[tnlich]

Ok cool, that doesn't mean I should buy a Phenom II chip for gaming in 2015. The guy is literally asking what CPU to BUY right NOW in 2015. You stating that FX/Phenom/older Intel platforms are capable of gaming is irrelevant because everybody knows that, but that doesn't make them the best option in 2015.

Agreed 

[tnlich]

I don't consider you getting a lot of bang for your buck if your graphics card can't be fully utilized.

I got the MSI 290X Lightning. I challenge anything you like to throw at mine. Both are GOLDEN......

[rentaspoon]

Guys 1150 is the best socket and has the best upgrade path.

Intel cpus are better at gaming.

AMD cpus are better at productivity on a budget

/thread.

I don't know why people suggest to upgrade as a pro, just by the CPU you want rather than wasting money

[zappian]

I don't know why people suggest to upgrade as a pro, just by the CPU you want rather than wasting money

 

Because you can upgrade to broadwell.

And intel has tons of options.

Im gonna upgrade my i3 to something better on 1150 eventually.