Hellcat vs. Corvette

[Floppy Kant Fish]

I know there is a car thread, but there having a conversation about something else. Didn't want to disturb it.

 

I have a question i find quiet interesting.

Which would be faster around a track.

 

The 2015 Z06 corvette $90,980 with gm performance package and 7 speed manual.

or $94,005 with the 8 speed flappy pedal.

 

The 2015 Dodge Challenger Hellcat $60,990 with 6 speed manual.

 

To keep it simple, lets not include those fun taxes and fees. The extra $30,000 can be used for upgrades to the challenger. Can the modified challenger beat the Corvette anytime, any track?

 

here is a strawpoll.

 

suggest some upgrades that you would get for the challenger.

 

My plan would be to:

-take out as much of the interior as possible. Ive seen on car forums of some challenger owners getting there cars down to 3700 lbs wet with a driver.

-replace as much of the suspension as possible.

-tires, I believe this is the main issue with the challenger (besides the whopping 4400 lbs), the corvette i believe has 305? the challenger has 275 on the rear. The hellcat from a 60-120 appears to destroy the corvette (seen in this video), but the hellcat falls behind in the 0-60, which suggests either its too heavy or the tires are crap.

-brakes this can probably be left for last, the hell cat does 60-0 in 109 feet the corvette does it in 100 feet. Better tires and a diet would make this more even.

 

With all of that sure you won't have a challenger that you can have as a daily, but it would be fast as hell. get it? hellcat?

 

[AlwaysFSX]

No, while the Hellcat can go around a corner it'll slide at the same speed compared to a corvette. No contest imho.

[Floppy Kant Fish]

No, while the Hellcat can go around a corner it'll slide at the same speed compared to a corvette. No contest imho.

 

the lateral g on the corvette is 1.16 g and the challenger is 0.94, you don't think $30k worth of parts and an intense diet can't make that closer?

[hak4fun]

If i had 100k to spend, I would go for the corvette instead of the upgraded hellcat for racing at least. If i was just buying a awesome car, yeah spending 60k on the car, and 30k to pimp out. Not a bad way to go.

[AlwaysFSX]

the lateral g on the corvette is 1.16 g and the challenger is 0.94, you don't think $30k worth of parts and an intense diet can't make that closer?

No, Hellcat has a much higher center of gravity.

[jnmbhj]

I would think that both the hellcat can go around the corner drifting the same speed as the corvette would go. 

 

But to be honest it will depend on the track. The more twisty turns the corvette would edge out the hellcat but the longer straighter tracks the hell cat would win. The Hellcat would probably win if you shed some weight and put some slicks on. And a nice tune up. 

[Floppy Kant Fish]

If i had 100k to spend, I would go for the corvette instead of the upgraded hellcat for racing at least. If i was just buying a awesome car, yeah spending 60k on the car, and 30k to pimp out. Not a bad way to go.

 

personally i would go for the cls 63, but i think the challenger looks so badass in a race spec design

[GlassBomb]

Can't I just shoot the Corvette with a Hellcat? PS. There is a poll function on this forum

 

[techswede]

With the extra 30k i could make the hellcat beat the corvette. (and still buy a cheaper car as an extra)

 

Stock. Corvette.

[Real_PhillBert]

Weight is everything when it comes to a track. The mass is what kills the Challenger. Corvette all day long.

[Jumper118]

Weight is everything when it comes to a track. The mass is what kills the Challenger. Corvette all day long.

i doesn't cos anything to get rid of a lot of it though. i would just go 2nd hand r35 gtr with over 800hp

[Floppy Kant Fish]

Weight is everything when it comes to a track. The mass is what kills the Challenger. Corvette all day long.

 

In this forum thread, someone got their challenger down to the high 3200 pounds, i know its a drag car with 1400 hp (i think), I would think that most of the techniques could be applied to the theoretical circuit challenger. The corvette is 3300 lbs and there isn't a mention of a driver or whether its wet or not, I would assume wet with no driver.

[Floppy Kant Fish]

With the extra 30k i could make the hellcat beat the corvette. (and still buy a cheaper car as an extra)

 

Stock. Corvette.

 

Yeah stock corvette. or are you saying the corvette would still win?

[Floppy Kant Fish]

Can't I just shoot the Corvette with a Hellcat? PS. There is a poll function on this forum

 

Didn't notice. Was going to post the poll on other forums once this one dies down.

[techswede]

Yeah stock corvette. or are you saying the corvette would still win?

If both were stock the corvette has a good shot at winning around a track

[Floppy Kant Fish]

I would think that both the hellcat can go around the corner drifting the same speed as the corvette would go. 

 

But to be honest it will depend on the track. The more twisty turns the corvette would edge out the hellcat but the longer straighter tracks the hell cat would win. The Hellcat would probably win if you shed some weight and put some slicks on. And a nice tune up. 

 

I was thinking more of a suzuka east. One long straight with a bunch of long curves that keep the speed up.

[Real_PhillBert]

i doesn't cos anything to get rid of a lot of it though. i would just go 2nd hand r35 gtr with over 800hp

Wat? I'm not saying that the Corvette is the fastest thing you can get for $100K, but you would be better off with one than the Challenger for road racing.

 

In this forum thread, someone got their challenger down to the high 3200 pounds, i know its a drag car with 1400 hp (i think), I would think that most of the techniques could be applied to the theoretical circuit challenger. The corvette is 3300 lbs and there isn't a mention of a driver or whether its wet or not, I would assume wet with no driver.

There is a huge difference in the vehicular dynamics of a drag car and a road racing car. I ran a Formula SAE team for a few years when I was in college.

 

I know 3300 LBS is still a lot heavier than I would like it to be, but it is a HUGE improvement over the chubby Challenger.

[jnmbhj]

I was thinking more of a suzuka east. One long straight with a bunch of long curves that keep the speed up.

I would guess the hellcat tuned would beat the corvette but I dont think it would be much. A back sway bar and a roll cage would help stiffen things up.  

[theloveablemoose]

I would buy the Corvette for the sole reason that it looks so sexy. But for $100,000 i could buy so many cars that would make me so happy (even though i can't drive but don't about that).

 

But as for around the track the corvette would probably beat it in some cases due to the fact that it's lighter, has better acceleration for getting out of those corners and it has some actual downforce.

[Floppy Kant Fish]

No, Hellcat has a much higher center of gravity.

 

I can't find recent any objective data on this. The challenger is only 50.9 inchs tall stock (link). While the corvette is 48.6 inches (link). I know height has nothing really to do with it, but if you chop the total height of the challenger by 3 or 4 inches, I would assume it would make it closer. Then a null point with slicks on the challenger.

[Floppy Kant Fish]

I would buy the Corvette for the sole reason that it looks so sexy. But for $100,000 i could buy so many cars that would make me so happy (even though i can't drive but don't about that).

 

But as for around the track the corvette would probably beat it in some cases due to the fact that it's lighter, has better acceleration for getting out of those corners and it has some actual downforce.

 

But then you have $30k for stickier tires, and to figure out a wing for more pressure on the rear tires. The video shows that if the challenger is moving its quicker than the corvette in a straight line. Then you can chop out some weight to maybe get it within 100 or 200 pounds.

[Floppy Kant Fish]

 

I know 3300 LBS is still a lot heavier than I would like it to be, but it is a HUGE improvement over the chubby Challenger.

 

The common thing I'm seeing on forums (before the drag mods) is that the challenger will weigh around 3600-3700 pounds after the interior and sound dampening has been gutted. Lighter weight components and panels around the car could maybe chop off another 100 pounds.

 

I would guess the hellcat tuned would beat the corvette but I dont think it would be much. A back sway bar and a roll cage would help stiffen things up.  

 

I think it would be close, it would be a good episode for top gear american, if they still existed that is.

[Jumper118]

Wat? I'm not saying that the Corvette is the fastest thing you can get for $100K, but you would be better off with one than the Challenger for road racing.

 

There is a huge difference in the vehicular dynamics of a drag car and a road racing car. I ran a Formula SAE team for a few years when I was in college.

 

I know 3300 LBS is still a lot heavier than I would like it to be, but it is a HUGE improvement over the chubby Challenger.

the gtr bit was just a general comment on the thread. not really a reply to you. should have put it on a different line.

[heathd]

30k doesn't get you much when you're talking about already high performance cars. And then what.... You strip the charger to save weight and your left with just that, something you paid good money to have features and options removed. And when it comes to track, the vette has the oil system to do it. Try track racing the charger for extended periods and you'll end up with an oil starved engine.

[Floppy Kant Fish]

30k doesn't get you much when you're talking about already high performance cars. And then what.... You strip the charger to save weight and your left with just that, something you paid good money to have features and options removed. And when it comes to track, the vette has the oil system to do it. Try track racing the charger for extended periods and you'll end up with an oil starved engine.

 

Yeah why would someone rip out the interior of a race car, I bet they will be embarrassed going through McDonald's and not having any cup holders, constantly lost cause they ripped out the sat nav, or be annoyed by there passengers cause they don't have a radio to play katy perry with. I bet you can get an aftermarket oil system for less than $5,000 that would support the needs, if that is something your concerned about.

If you looked at some challenger or mopar forums, as far as $30k goes, you can get quite abit of good stuff for the suspension. You don't have to replace the brakes cause they're probably the best your can get anyways, the challenger weighs almost 1000 pounds more than the corvette but only takes 9 more feet to stop from 60.