North Korea has played a bit too rough with the US, US Gov to respond

[FakezZ]

The point he was making is that the B2 Stealth Bomber can carry both conventional weapons (eg: Bombs), as well as Nuclear weapons. It can do either, or both at the same time.

 

The remark about "deadliest weapon the world has ever known" was about the ability to drop a nuke, anywhere in the world, with zero early warning. It would go off before anyone even knew it was coming. Scary thought, but it does send a message of power.

 

Also, in this case, this wouldn't necessarily be America playing "World Police", since the attack WAS directed at an American company, and will cost the US economy hundreds of millions of dollars (Or more, depending on how successful the movie would have been).

 

Most nations would consider an attack like this an act of war. You can be damned sure that North Korea, China, Russia, and Iran would all consider it an act of war, had we done the same to them.

Well yeah in the "world police" thing you said you are right, but I still cannot see why a nation would want to attack another, because a private company was hacked. Even if the economy lost millions of dollars, then should every other country attack N.Korea too, since it would be an international release and every country's economy would be benefited. And about the nuke, it does send a message of power, but not so much when many other nations have them. One is dropped and a swarm of them will follow. It is not exclusive to America anymore, like it was with Nagasaki or Hiroshima and I don't think anyone can afford using such a weapon.

 

Edit: I spoke before checking and the imdb site only has a US release date so you can take the point that it would be an international release as false. Sorry about that

[DaRk0]

Completely different set of problems with Vietnam. First of all a bunch of guerrillas running around in a jungle is completely different from the conventional army North Korea has. We fought the Koreans once and soundly defeated them, China is the only thing that saved them, and China suffered upwards of 700,000 casualties in the process. And anyway, China wont be coming to their rescue this time, they have too much to lose and nothing to gain. Furthermore, the Korean peninsula doesn't even have the terrain necessary to accomplish what the viet Cong did. The huge struggle in Vietnam was our difficulty building and maintaining an effective south Vietnamese military, as well as our struggles with their leader who was completely ineffective (Ngo Dinh Diem). That problem does not exist in South Korea. They have an extremely effective military that can stand on its own, and they HATE the North Korean government with a passion. If we fight a war in Korea ever again we would never have to do the sort of nation building that we aren't so good at. We would just unleash our forces on the north and let the south Koreans rebuild everything under a unified Korea. 

 

I doubt US would attack North Korea with ground forces. There would be bloodbath on both sides. I don't think US would risk that.

 

In 1999 NATO campaign against Yugoslavia there were plans of attacking Serbian army with ground forces from Albania with US and Albanian mechanized battalions and SAS acting as a sabotage unit. Albanian mechanized battalion was leading the attack and their tanks were destroyed with 120 mm mortars. SAS was ambushed by 63rd Special Parachute Battalion and Military Police Special Operation Battalion of Serbian Army and pulled back to Albania. After that US and their allies didn't try to attack Serbian Army with ground forces. They continued bombing and did little damage to Serbian Army. The only drawback of Serbian army was their aerial units.

 

I know this would sound funny to someone, because almighty US and all, but US will always think twice before attacking well armed military of sovereign country. North Korea has old equipment but they're strong and armed to the teeth and alongside their army they have Territorial defense units that are acting as guerrillas (Socialist Yugoslavia had these units as well and I believe Swiss Army has them as well).

[switchkill]

I doubt US would attack North Korea with ground forces. There would be bloodbath on both sides. I don't think US would risk that.

 

In 1999 NATO campaign against Yugoslavia there were plans of attacking Serbian army with ground forces from Albania with US and Albanian mechanized battalions and SAS acting as a sabotage unit. Albanian mechanized battalion was leading the attack and their tanks were destroyed with 120 mm mortars. SAS was ambushed by 63rd Special Parachute Battalion and Military Police Special Operation Battalion of Serbian Army and pulled back to Albania. After that US and their allies didn't try to attack Serbian Army with ground forces. They continued bombing and did little damage to Serbian Army. The only drawback of Serbian army was their aerial units.

 

I know this would sound funny to someone, because almighty US and all, but US will always think twice before attacking well armed military of sovereign country. North Korea has old equipment but they're strong and armed to the teeth and alongside their army they have Territorial defense units that are acting as guerrillas (Socialist Yugoslavia had these units as well and I believe Swiss Army has them as well).

isn't everyone kinda trained for war in north korea,like the nazi regime or most communist countries 

[DaRk0]

isn't everyone kinda trained for war in north korea,like the nazi regime or most communist countries 

 

They are. Socialist Yugoslavia had that concept. Out of 20 million people they could arm and deploy over 8 million people on the field. 

[othertomperson]

We're going to free the shit out of these koreans. #SpreadDemocracy #Freedom #Patriots

 

Yeah let's bomb the one dystopian regime that we know actually has nukes. Also "freeing" the Koreans is the whole reason there is a North Korea.

 

 

They are. Socialist Yugoslavia had that concept. Out of 20 million people they could arm and deploy over 8 million people on the field. 

 

Also Switzerland. Funny how people only mention the countries who are ideologically different to their own.

[switchkill]

They are. Socialist Yugoslavia had that concept. Out of 20 million people they could arm and deploy over 8 million people on the field. 

i guess even israel has that 

[DaRk0]

Also Switzerland. Funny how people only mention the countries who are ideologically different to their own.

 

I mentioned Switzerland. Look at my long post above.

 

i guess even israel has that 

 

Yes, Israel have this concept as well. 

[othertomperson]

So you did. I missed that.

[E-Ro]

I doubt US would attack North Korea with ground forces. There would be bloodbath on both sides. I don't think US would risk that.

 

In 1999 NATO campaign against Yugoslavia there were plans of attacking Serbian army with ground forces from Albania with US and Albanian mechanized battalions and SAS acting as a sabotage unit. Albanian mechanized battalion was leading the attack and their tanks were destroyed with 120 mm mortars. SAS was ambushed by 63rd Special Parachute Battalion and Military Police Special Operation Battalion of Serbian Army and pulled back to Albania. After that US and their allies didn't try to attack Serbian Army with ground forces. They continued bombing and did little damage to Serbian Army. The only drawback of Serbian army was their aerial units.

 

I know this would sound funny to someone, because almighty US and all, but US will always think twice before attacking well armed military of sovereign country. North Korea has old equipment but they're strong and armed to the teeth and alongside their army they have Territorial defense units that are acting as guerrillas (Socialist Yugoslavia had these units as well and I believe Swiss Army has them as well).

In 2003 the united states invaded Iraq. Saddam Hussein s military not only outnumbered the coalition assembled to attack him, but it was also largely more modern then North Korea's. Sadams army was completely trashed and coalition forces were in the capitol in less then a month. Your assertion that the United states would think twice because the albanian military took losses is nonsense. 

 

The united states is OBLIGATED to respond to violence from north korea with ground forces. We have 28,000 troops over there. And no, it wouldn't be a bloodbath for anyone but the north koreans. Their planes are so old they stand zero chance against ours, same for their armor. We would be able to move against them completely supported by air and armor, it would look just like the 2003 invasion of iraq, only the north koreans might last slightly longer. 

 

We keep 28,500 troops in South Korea, including a division headquarters, an armored brigade, an aviation brigade and an artillery brigade. The U.S. Air Force has four squadrons of F-16 and A-10 jets at South Korean bases. If North Korean troops moves south, they will run right into American units and trigger a  response, as fighters, bombers and ground combat units from Japan, Hawaii, and the continental United States rush to meet them. 

[dalekphalm]

Well yeah in the "world police" thing you said you are right, but I still cannot see why a nation would want to attack another, because a private company was hacked. Even if the economy lost millions of dollars, then should every other country attack N.Korea too, since it would be an international release and every country's economy would be benefited. And about the nuke, it does send a message of power, but not so much when many other nations have them. One is dropped and a swarm of them will follow. It is not exclusive to America anymore, like it was with Nagasaki or Hiroshima and I don't think anyone can afford using such a weapon.

 

Edit: I spoke before checking and the imdb site only has a US release date so you can take the point that it would be an international release as false. Sorry about that

 

I do think that a coordinated International response should happen. Obviously the sanctions we've been putting on North Korea haven't been doing a damn thing except make their poor poorer. Something more firm needs to be done.

 

What that would be? I've no idea. I don't think open warfare should be used except as a last resort. However, I would fully support covert actions inside NK by tier 1 special forces.

[Mujteba]

-snip

Stealth Bomber has always looked absolutely terrifying.

[The Crazed Child]

The North Korean military is greatly overestimated, if they were a force to be reckoned with they wouldn't have a fleet of shitty Soviet aircraft from the 1970s, now would they?

[E-Ro]

For reference North Korea is poorer then Ethiopia, so they literally CANNOT have anything resembling an effective military. All they can do is try to keep updating what they have and repairing it over and over again. The ony thing effective they have is a well trained infantry. Though compared to our infantry it still pales. And in conventional modern warfare infantry without support from air and or armor is useless.

[DaRk0]

 

In 2003 the united states invaded Iraq. Saddam Hussein s military not only outnumbered the coalition assembled to attack him, but it was also largely more modern then North Korea's. Sadams army was completely trashed and coalition forces were in the capitol in less then a month. Your assertion that the United states would think twice because the albanian military took losses is nonsense. 

 

The united states is OBLIGATED to respond to violence from north korea with ground forces. We have 28,000 troops over there. And no, it wouldn't be a bloodbath for anyone but the north koreans. Their planes are so old they stand zero chance against ours, same for their armor. We would be able to move against them completely supported by air and armor, it would look just like the 2003 invasion of iraq, only the north koreans might last slightly longer. 

 

We keep 28,500 troops in South Korea, including a division headquarters, an armored brigade, an aviation brigade and an artillery brigade. The U.S. Air Force has four squadrons of F-16 and A-10 jets at South Korean bases. If North Korean troops moves south, they will run right into American units and trigger a  response, as fighters, bombers and ground combat units from Japan, Hawaii, and the continental United States rush to meet them. 

 

 

Saddam had huge disadvantage - Iraq's terrain. It's mostly desert so it wasn't hard to discover his units and engage them. Yugoslavia and North Korea - completely different story. Yugoslavia was bombed every day for 75 days with laughable damage dealt to their army. You say you have 28 000 troops over there. You had 10 000 troops in Albania ready to attack Serbian army together with Albanian army, British Special Units and Albanian terrorists in Kosovo. You have base in Macedonia as well. Yugoslavia had far less active personnel than North Korea currently has and similar armament, but completely different terrain than Iraq, which was huge advantage for Serbian Army. North Korea is not flat like Iraq is, and you can't just run their army with tanks and jets like happened with Iraq Army. My question to you - if my statement is nonsense, why US didn't engage Serbian Army with ground forces when first attack failed?

 

North Korean biggest trading partners are China and Russia. Especially China. So if US threatens to attack North Korea, the same thing will happen like happened in Iran. NK will receive weapons from China and Russia and you would see statements from military leadership of China and Russia, stating they will defend their interests in NK, like they did with Iran, and US will pull back. Same thing actually happened with Syria as well. US didn't attack because Russia got involved.

[Fetzie]

I havent had my morning coffee yet...  :unsure:

 

 

 

A yes, the B2 stealth bomber, I wasnt 100% sure of the name. Yeah, its deadly as balls because it wont show up on radar... Or anything for that matter, This is truly one death machine of war, Thanks America.

 

It doesn't show up on RADAR, leaves no heat signature and is capable of deploying nuclear warheads. That's what it was built for - to rain nuclear destruction on the enemy before they realised the attack was coming.

[FakezZ]

I do think that a coordinated International response should happen. Obviously the sanctions we've been putting on North Korea haven't been doing a damn thing except make their poor poorer. Something more firm needs to be done.

 

What that would be? I've no idea. I don't think open warfare should be used except as a last resort. However, I would fully support covert actions inside NK by tier 1 special forces.

Yeah man exactly. You are absolutely correct, open warfare should only be a last resort. Action does have to be taken, though, as I have watched quite a few "inside N.Korea" videos and the quality of life there sucks to say the least...

[Shine_Syahr]

No offense, but this is not only an incredibly naive opinion, its also a rather silly one. Force has solved more problems throughout history then anything else.

News flash: there are shitty people in the world, and sometimes the only way to stop them is to kill.

I know. I'm not naive. But there must always be ppl fighting against it looking for better solutions. Maybe it will always be within human nature to resolve conflicts by force. I choose to believe as a a species we have come far enough to be above that.

[MLG Doge]

Maybe what was going to happen in the movie will happen IRL

[E-Ro]

Saddam had huge disadvantage - Iraq's terrain. It's mostly desert so it wasn't hard to discover his units and engage them. Yugoslavia and North Korea - completely different story. Yugoslavia was bombed every day for 75 days with laughable damage dealt to their army. You say you have 28 000 troops over there. You had 10 000 troops in Albania ready to attack Serbian army together with Albanian army, British Special Units and Albanian terrorists in Kosovo. You have base in Macedonia as well. Yugoslavia had far less active personnel than North Korea currently has and similar armament, but completely different terrain than Iraq, which was huge advantage for Serbian Army. North Korea is not flat like Iraq is, and you can't just run their army with tanks and jets like happened with Iraq Army. My question to you - if my statement is nonsense, why US didn't engage Serbian Army with ground forces when first attack failed?

This argument is honestly so nonsensical I don't know why I am keeping this going, but here we go.

 

First, Iraq's terrain was more a hindrance to the coalition then it was to Saddam's army.(Saddam's men were battle hardened from fighting Iran btw). The people that actually live in an area and know it well know how to fight in it, I mean for fucks sake, people didn't even know if the desert sand would support the weight of apcs and tanks. Your assertion that the terrain played against them is pulled from no where.

 

Second, your point about "10,000 troops in Albania ready to attack Serbian army" is complete and utter bullshit. There was never any plan to use infantry. The orders issued were for limited airstrikes in Yugoslavia. That was it. End story. The United States did not attack the Serbian army with infantry because why the fuck would troops be deployed for this? NATO sent in peace keepers to end the fighting, and guess what? It ended. The foreign policy of the United States didn't call for infantry in the Kosovo war, it never did and never would have. That is the complete opposite of the situation on the Korean peninsula. 

 

The United States is not only obligated by treaty to defend south Korea, but the fact that we have troops there means that even if we weren't, our troops would be the first ones hit(as they are stationed in harms way) and as a result would be forced to fight. As for this terrain nonsense, The United States has fought in the Korean peninsula once. Google it and learn some basic history. Our air power and armor played HUGE parts in the rapid advances our troops made, and in the huge amounts of casualties the Chinese and North Koreans suffered(the north Korean military pretty much ceased to exist for a while there, we completely destroyed it) So no, your bs about the terrain is incorrect, unless the terrain magically changed since the 50s(hint, it hasn't). Whats more, the North Korean army in the 50s was WAY more advanced and well trained then the North Korea of today. They had bleeding edge tech from the soviet union, that is obviously no longer the case. 

 

North Korea's military had a complete collapse in discipline after the famine in the 90s. Much of their troops are put to farming now, and they cant even afford the ammo to train as often as they should. This mixed with the fact that their air force and navy are pathetically outdated, and most of their planes cant even be flown anymore due to lack of spare parts and fuel means a wear with them would be fought primarily by poorly trained infantry. They would be little better then helpless in the face of modern air power and armor. Completely outgunned and demoralized troops cannot keep marching into battle and hope to do anything other then die. North Korea fights conventional war, they do not fight guerrilla style. This is because the regime has become accustomed to city life in Pyongyang. They like what few modern amenities they have. Making the mistake of thinking they will fight like Viet Cong or Taliban/Al queda is silly. And even if they did, they do not have the ammo for it, especially with no outside forces to supply them. 

 

 

 

North Korean biggest trading partners are China and Russia. Especially China. So if US threatens to attack North Korea, the same thing will happen like happened in Iran. NK will receive weapons from China and Russia and you would see statements from military leadership of China and Russia, stating they will defend their interests in NK, like they did with Iran, and US will pull back. Same thing actually happened with Syria as well. US didn't attack because Russia got involved.

 

lmao. No. The money China gets from trade with North Korea is negligible. Especially when compared to the money they get from trade with America. China is more concerned with keeping North Koreans out of china then it is with keeping the current regime in power. In fact, in the event of a war Chinas biggest worry is keeping refugees out and preventing any humanitarian issues from getting into their borders. They have plans for the deployment of troops and armor to keep people out, NOT to go into the North and prop them up. As for Russia, once again laughable. Putin is more concerned with Ukraine and the value of oil and the Ruble then North Korea. Russia has exactly zero interest in it. 

 

As for Iran and Syria not sure what you mean. We had an engagement with Iran's Navy, and trashed several of their ships(Google operation Praying mantis I am pretty sure half of their fleet was destroyed) the Iranians actually HELD BACK because they were afraid of escalating the conflict into something real. And as for Syria, that has yet to play out, but the way things are going Assad is looking like hes fucked anyway, so why intervene any more then we already are. 

[stconquest]

IRAQ did not fight back in 2003.  The USA walked through to Bagdad in what, 48-72 hours.

 

Wanna know why? huh? do ya?

[E-Ro]

IRAQ did not fight back in 2003.  The USA walked through to Bagdad in what, 48-72 hours.

 

Wanna know why? huh? do ya?

Uhh, the invasion of Iraq happened on the 20th of march, Baghdad fell on April 9th. Thats 21 days. They even made a documentary on it titled "21 days to baghdad." 

 

Also the Baath regime most definitely did fight back, ineffectively, sure but they still tried. 

[Texhnlyze]

If a war happens just because of one movie, it would just prove how we (as humans), should've never existed.

[E-Ro]

If a war happens just because of one movie, it would just prove how we (as humans), should've never existed.

How do you figure this? 

[stconquest]

IRAQ did not fight back in 2003.  The USA walked through to Bagdad in what, 48-72 hours.

 

Wanna know why? huh? do ya?

 

 

Uhh, the invasion of Iraq happened on the 20th of march, Baghdad fell on April 9th. Thats 21 days. They even made a documentary on it titled "21 days to baghdad." 

 

Also the Baath regime most definitely did fight back, ineffectively, sure but they still tried. 

 

WelI did it, I put my foot in my mouth.  I should have checked my facts before I spewed out crap.