AMD Readying Two New 20nm Cards To Go against Maxwell, 380X Will Take on 980, 390X Will Take on Titan 2 / 980 Ti

[Khvarrioiren]

Why the hell do they have to codename the different cores? Why can't they be like Nvidia, name the architecture, and then put varying amounts of Stream processors in them. Jeez AMD, get your shit together.

 

Not everyone is easily confused by nomenclature.

[Jammy Duel]

Not everyone is easily confused by nomenclature.

Yeah, I hope the right guys at AMD know what's what

That aside, thinking that it's unnecessary doesn't necessarily make you confused. If I cared enough about AMD I would make sure to not get confused, but I don't so I would rather have a sensible system where I know what's what at a glance.

[Sintezza]

[Humbug]

Why is it ever interesting when amd and nvidia have cards are close in performance... they're both made by tsmc.  I expect them to be neck and neck for the forseable future untill they stop using the same company to make their dies. Why is amd not neck and neck with intel... because their chips arent made in the same factory. I know its an oversimplification but really... its never interesting that amd cards and nvidia card are neck and neck.

Yes the process technology is one major reason that Intel is ahead of AMD.

 

But it's probably not the only reason. Intel is a behemoth, and I think their R&D budget is something that AMD cannot even come close to matching.

Nvidia is an impressive company in their own right but competing with Intel CPUs is relatively much more difficult for AMD (or anyone) than competing with Nvidia GPUs. The amount of scale that Intel has in their business just dwarfes AMD, they are huge.

[Lord Baal]

AMD released the 9800 in 2003, so AMD was 10 times as advanced a decade ago as Nvidia is now.

 

:blink:

Nvidia Also had 9000 series in 2008 so they were only 5 years behind by that logic, I still have 2 laying around a 9800gtx and 9600gtx 

 

[Spongy141]

It's an unnecessary stopgap, and might actually screw up efficiency even more compared to 28nm.

How exactly would it screw up efficiency? (Honest question, I really have a limited knowledge on the relation ship between nm process and power consumption).

[patrickjp93]

How exactly would it screw up efficiency? (Honest question, I really have a limited knowledge on the relation ship between nm process and power consumption).

Because if AMD packs the same really hot transistors more densely, even if on a smaller process, then the total heat output would actually increase. It's not like Intel's FinFET tech where the extra heat can be spread more easily and less electricity is needed to flip a gate.

[Khvarrioiren]

Because if AMD packs the same really hot transistors more densely, even if on a smaller process, then the total heat output would actually increase. It's not like Intel's FinFET tech where the extra heat can be spread more easily and less electricity is needed to flip a gate.

 

Nothing to do with the transistors themselves. Inherent issue with HKMG.

[Nineshadow]

Actually since they are 20 nm cards. Don't be suprised when they absolutely destroy maxell in the best and power department.

You can only push architecture so far, smaller Transistors will really step up the game thou.

Only that the transistor count gets bigger too,so eventually you'll make a better performing card with less materials and thus a lesser price.

 

Yes,it will help in power efficiency a little/more(it depends),but as long as their architecture is still inefficient...

[Khvarrioiren]

Only that the transistor count gets bigger too,so eventually you'll make a better performing card with less materials and thus a lesser price.

 

Yes,it will help in power efficiency a little/more(it depends),but as long as their architecture is still inefficient...

I've been seeing this "inefficient architecture"-thing touted over and over nowadays, and yet the only point towards that has been that it isn't as efficient as Maxwell. Well, no wonder since we're talking about uarch's that are 3 years apart.

[Nineshadow]

I've been seeing this "inefficient architecture"-thing touted over and over nowadays, and yet the only point towards that has been that it isn't as efficient as Maxwell. Well, no wonder since we're talking about uarch's that are 3 years apart.

The first GCN series was 7000,right?

[Khvarrioiren]

The first GCN series was 7000,right?

 

Indeed, released in January 2012. Nearly three years ago.

[patrickjp93]

I've been seeing this "inefficient architecture"-thing touted over and over nowadays, and yet the only point towards that has been that it isn't as efficient as Maxwell. Well, no wonder since we're talking about uarch's that are 3 years apart.

It's not as thermally efficient as Kepler either.

[Sakkura]

Nvidia Also had 9000 series in 2008 so they were only 5 years behind by that logic, I still have 2 laying around a 9800gtx and 9600gtx 

 

I think I went a little light on the logic in that particular post.

[MEC-777]

I wish I could wait until AMD releases their new big guns, but I currently have no GPU and need one fairly soon. 

 

I still think the extra features of the GTX 900's (FMAA, DSR, etc.) will still carry it, but only if AMD doesn't bring any such features to compete. Mantle is great, but there just aren't that many titles that use it at the moment and the performance difference in those particular games isn't earth-shattering. 

 

The GPU wars are getting really interesting though...

[zanduh]

I wish I could wait until AMD releases their new big guns, but I currently have no GPU and need one fairly soon. 

 

I still think the extra features of the GTX 900's (FMAA, DSR, etc.) will still carry it, but only if AMD doesn't bring any such features to compete. Mantle is great, but there just aren't that many titles that use it at the moment and the performance difference in those particular games isn't earth-shattering. 

 

The GPU wars are getting really interesting though...

 

770's are getting cheaper and can play most any game really well. Then you can save up for an AMD card or Nvidia card depending on how well the new cards perform next year

[MEC-777]

770's are getting cheaper and can play most any game really well. Then you can save up for an AMD card or Nvidia card depending on how well the new cards perform next year

Well I'm a strong advocate performance per dollar. Here in Canada at least, the 770's are still too expensive, relative to their performance. 

 

The 970, though, is just awesome and would suit me quite well for several years. I'm still gaming on 1080p (single monitor), so a 970 would be overkill for now and allow me to upgrade to 1440p (ultra wide I hope) maybe some time next year without having to upgrade. 770's are decent cards, don't get me wrong, I just don't think they offer great value at this point. Plus I really want FMAA and DSR.

[dalekphalm]

Why is it ever interesting when amd and nvidia have cards are close in performance... they're both made by tsmc.  I expect them to be neck and neck for the forseable future untill they stop using the same company to make their dies. Why is amd not neck and neck with intel... because their chips arent made in the same factory. I know its an oversimplification but really... its never interesting that amd cards and nvidia card are neck and neck.

 

I mean... that's not how Processor manufacturing works at all. Yes they are both made in TSMC fabs, but TSMC doesn't design the SoC, they just get the specs and follow the "recipe". The architectures of AMD vs NVidia are so wildly different.

 

TSMC also makes Apple A8 SoC's as well as other ARM CPU's. How come smartphones aren't neck and neck with GTX 980's? Obviously this is an extreme example of your argument, but the basic principle is the same. TSMC can make a wide variety of different CPU or SoC dies, depending on what their clients require. Architecture means everything. The factory they are made in only matters to a very small degree (Quality Assurance, and technical limitations, etc).

[Stoggy26]

Was super excited. Then saw WCCFTech......

 

I wouldnt believe it eithier except they announced it at AMd Japan conference so it is legit

[AnnoyedShelf]

I wouldnt believe it eithier except they announced it at AMd Japan conference so it is legit

Completely off topic, but is your profile picture actually you? Because it looks a scary amount like my history prof.

[MetroP]

Any idea how many cores the 390X will have ?

[dalekphalm]

I wouldnt believe it eithier except they announced it at AMd Japan conference so it is legit

Both you

 

Completely off topic, but is your profile picture actually you? Because it looks a scary amount like my history prof.

And your prof look like the infamous YouTuber Jesse Cox

 

 

(who used to be a Teacher, before YouTube. btw...)

[Stoggy26]

Completely off topic, but is your profile picture actually you? Because it looks a scary amount like my history prof.

1. Hows it off topic when im confirming that this thread is true they announced it at the AMD japan conference - 

2. yes it my real picture lol

[Razzaa]

1. Hows it off topic when im confirming that this thread is true they announced it at the AMD japan conference -

2. yes it my real picture lol

He was referring to his question about your picture.

[Stoggy26]

Lol just reread it yea my bad