Non overclocking LTT build poll

[Trik'Stari]

I am looking at various motherboards meant for non overclocking processors as my next build and I was thinking how nice it would be if someone would review a couple of non overclocking motherboards.

 

Anyone else agree? There doesn't seem to be much out there on these motherboards (compared to z77, z87, z97, x79 etc) even though everyone says "you dont NEED to overclock for gaming". So what gives?

[Ryan Leech]

Overclock or uninstall.

[Askew]

IMHO the H boards are too much of a halfway house that's just tickling the Z boards price wise and as a result most of us get tempted over to the delicious speedy pastures of K sku CPUs and the waters of more.

[Sauron]

I wanted to say "have Slick to it" but he's kind of wasted for a non overclocking build ^^

[Trik'Stari]

Im thinking purely for those of us that don't have the money for all the fancy stuff, I've got 400 bucks with which to pick a cpu, a mobo, and buy another win7 install, but I can't get any good solid info on these boards and their gaming performance.

[ForsakenLive]

Unless you are doing applications that require real CPU horsepower, OCing is not necessary at all, on games the difference is quite minimal, and on regular applications there is hardly a benefit at all.

People spend $30+ on cooling, $70-100+ on a Z97 board, and $30-50+ on a K CPU, overall $150 that will serve little (if no) benefit to the build, money which can be easily spend on a better GPU, that increases gaming performance a lot, that's the kind of money that makes you jump from a R9 280X to a R9 290, not a minor upgrade.

The Sweetspot for middle range builds are locked i5s, around $170-185 they bring 4 powerful cores to the table, at 3.2 - 3.5ghz +  turbo boosts.

I'm not against overclocking, it can actually make quite a difference if you are editing, rendering and stuff, but it's completely overrated on gaming and lighter use builds, 80%+ of the times it's just overspending.

[Trik'Stari]

Unless you are doing applications that require real CPU horsepower, OCing is not necessary at all, on games the difference is quite minimal, and on regular applications there is hardly a benefit at all.

People spend $30+ on cooling, $70-100+ on a Z97 board, and $30-50+ on a K CPU, overall $150 that will serve little (if no) benefit to the build, money which can be easily spend on a better GPU, that increases gaming performance a lot, that's the kind of money that makes you jump from a R9 280X to a R9 290, not a minor upgrade.

The Sweetspot for middle range builds are locked i5s, around $170-185 they bring 4 powerful cores to the table, at 3.2 - 3.5ghz +  turbo boosts.

I'm not against overclocking, it can actually make quite a difference if you are editing, rendering and stuff, but it's completely overrated on gaming and lighter use builds, 80%+ of the times it's just overspending.

That's what I essentially was thinking, my issue is that there aren't alot of reviews for the non overclocking motherboards, the H97, B85's etc

 

I'd just like to know mainly, which one Linus would pick to build with if he were to do such a build video.

[Manny Calavera]

Yea that sounds cool. When broadwell comes out, linus should ask intel to send moar chips and compare to OCed ones, and review mobos.

 

Then give away those systems

[EchoRomeoCharlie]

Why?  If you want to see benchmarks just look for the benchmarks of that CPU in the non-k sku...they're everywhere.  Everyone that overclocks checks baseline benchmarks to see the difference.

 

The H boards are pretty much(not always) the same as the Z boards without the overclocking features...which you aren't going to need anyway...so watch the Z board reviews and ignore the OC features.

 

So if he's going to do a video, why not do the video that's going to kill two birds with one stone?  Especially when the vast majority of enthusiasts are looking for the OC stuff.

 

JMO

[Trik'Stari]

Yea that sounds cool. When broadwell comes out, linus should ask intel to send moar chips and compare to OCed ones, and review mobos.

 

Then give away those systems

Charity auction would be better

 

The charity can be attempting to bribe GabeN to excrete the Half Life 3

 

But yes, he needs to do a few non overclocking builds, and compare them to some overclocked builds.

[Trik'Stari]

Why?  If you want to see benchmarks just look for the benchmarks of that CPU in the non-k sku...they're everywhere.  Everyone that overclocks checks baseline benchmarks to see the difference.

 

The H boards are pretty much(not always) the same as the Z boards without the overclocking features...which you aren't going to need anyway...so watch the Z board reviews and ignore the OC features.

 

So if he's going to do a video, why not do the video that's going to kill two birds with one stone?  Especially when the vast majority of enthusiasts are looking for the OC stuff.

 

JMO

Because there's a big price difference between the 2. and there's alot of enthusiasts like myself with shallow pockets.

[ForsakenLive]

That's what I essentially was thinking, my issue is that there aren't alot of reviews for the non overclocking motherboards, the H97, B85's etc

 

I'd just like to know mainly, which one Linus would pick to build with if he were to do such a build video.

Even H81 mATX boards are competent choices, they have at least 2 Sata III ports (more than enough), PCIe 2.0 X16 (for single GPU is perfect), USB 3.0 (front panel too), and most of them support 16gb RAM (not many people need more than  that) ,and they cost around $50-70. B85 and H97 have similar features to Z97, you found them with wireless AC, nice audio and software utilities.

 

The locked i5 and i3 chips are quite strong, even if you slap a Hyper 212 on them, you can enable Turbo Boost to be present the majority of the time (depends on the bios), where you end up having 3.5-3.9ghz constantly on them. People get advised to get K CPUs, aftermarket coolers and good OC boards, and sometimes they stay on stock frequencies, you see them all the time, packing a H100i at 3.5ghz on their CPU, and the only reason there is to it, they had a $1500 budget, and everyone was telling them to go balls to the walls with their setup, even though they are just going to be gaming, and only at 1080p. The main reason of this; they don't know how the locked parts perform, because nobody talks about them.

More reviews and attention to the locked CPUs, will show that on the majority of the games, an OC'd 4690K will only get around as far as 3-4 fps more than the i5 4440, and many times the difference will be non existant, being the overall extra money spent, around $200, incluiding mobo cooler and chip.

To the guys actually using their CPUs, SolidWorks users, editors using the Adobe softwares and similar, get their money's worth, a well OC'd chip can make a 10-15 min difference or even more.

[Trik'Stari]

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Someone, quick! give this man a youtube channel and corporate sponsorship!

[LOST TALE]

Only if it makes sense, he would do it anyway.

 

I hear a bunch of BS here, sound like misunderstanding consolers.

[ForsakenLive]

Why?  If you want to see benchmarks just look for the benchmarks of that CPU in the non-k sku...they're everywhere.  Everyone that overclocks checks baseline benchmarks to see the difference.

 

The H boards are pretty much(not always) the same as the Z boards without the overclocking features...which you aren't going to need anyway...so watch the Z board reviews and ignore the OC features.

 

So if he's going to do a video, why not do the video that's going to kill two birds with one stone?  Especially when the vast majority of enthusiasts are looking for the OC stuff.

 

JMO

Just to show people they are viable  choices, there are LOTS of users, even on this forum that think a i5 4440 + H81 motherboard, will make their gaming experience horrible, that the i5 4690k is the only way to go, and non Z97 mobos are bad.

If guys like Linus show a couple budget builds, this CPUs will get recommended a lot more, potentially balancing gaming builds a lot. Good for the audience, good for the buyers. People that actually now the differences and benefits, can just skip the video.

A value build, with a locked i5 or i3, a basic motherboard, a Source 220, 500-600W PSU, 8 GB of the good stuff, a 120-128GB SSD and a R9 280 or better, will show that you can faceroll 1080p with a $700-850 system easily.

[EchoRomeoCharlie]

Because there's a big price difference between the 2. and there's alot of enthusiasts like myself with shallow pockets.

 

Having shallow pockets makes it impossible to glean the information you need about H boards off the Z board video's?  Like I said...they're pretty much the same short of the OC features.....so again I ask you, why?

 

He will essentially be repeating himself in the H board video's.  I'm sure Linus has enough to do without doubling his workload to repeat himself.

[EchoRomeoCharlie]

Just to show people they are viable  choices, there are LOTS of users, even on this forum that think a i5 4440 + H81 motherboard, will make their gaming experience horrible, that the i5 4690k is the only way to go, and non Z97 mobos are bad.

If guys like Linus show a couple budget builds, this CPUs will get recommended a lot more, potentially balancing gaming builds a lot. Good for the audience, good for the buyers. People that actually now the differences and benefits, can just skip the video.

A value build, with a locked i5 or i3, a basic motherboard, a Source 220, 500-600W PSU, 8 GB of the good stuff, a 120-128GB SSD and a R9 280 or better, will show that you can faceroll 1080p with a $700-850 system easily.

 

I do agree with this.  However, manufacturers are going to push their higher end stuff...which means they're going to send guys like Linus their higher end stuff.  Which means he's going to do reviews on the stuff he's given.

 

There are budget builds on YouTube.  Not as many since 1.  They don't get as many views.  2.  They don't get as many likes.  3.  Manufacturers don't send out their budget stuff for free...which by default means there will be less builds with this equipment.

[MEC-777]

If more people bought what they needed instead of what they think they needed or what they were told they needed, H and B series boards would be far more popular.

 

@ForsakenLive hit the nail right on the head when he explained how you spend so much extra, in total, to OC your CPU and gain maybe a few FPS in a few games - when instead you could get a GPU possibly in the next tier up and have FAR better gaming performance. 

 

This is precisely why I chose the parts I did for my build. (Ignore the H60 - I just added that, but it's not normally necessary). Even with the stock cooler, it performs really well in gaming. A friend of mine built his latest gaming PC a year before I did and he spent about $1700 on that monstrous gigantic tower. He went with a K series i5, Z series board and an H80 cooler. Does he overclock it? No. Never. And get this; my PC cost about $900-1000 (CDN) in the end and performs just as well as his in gaming.

 

Do I wish now that I had spent the extra on a K CPU and Z board? Not at all. I've discovered that when the conditions and situation is ideal, it actually overclocks itself and often beyond it's rated "turbo" frequency - on all 4 cores. It's more than fast enough for heavy gaming and most games will rarely push any i5 anywhere near full load, consistently. 

[Trik'Stari]

I do agree with this.  However, manufacturers are going to push their higher end stuff...which means they're going to send guys like Linus their higher end stuff.  Which means he's going to do reviews on the stuff he's given.

 

There are budget builds on YouTube.  Not as many since 1.  They don't get as many views.  2.  They don't get as many likes.  3.  Manufacturers don't send out their budget stuff for free...which by default means there will be less builds with this equipment.

Hadn't considered this.

 

It still makes sense to me to showcase what the "budget" stuff can do, I went budget AMD (and hate it) because there was almost nothing on budget intel, but I know now from asking various sources, that a budget intel will easily blow my budget amd build's ass out the water. Had I known that, I would have gone intel originally, and intel would have a couple hundred bucks of my money.

 

How many here can say the same?

 

I just think it would be nice to get Linus's thoughts on the matter. Yes he caters mainly to enthusiasts, but he's done a recent Kaveri budget build, so why not do budget intel?

[Trik'Stari]

Yeah this got moved, this wasn't asking about the H97/B85 mobos, this was a discussion about Linus doing a build video on them

 

 

 

 

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Do you like that motherboard? I was looking at that one, really like that it's wifi

[ajlouni]

Just to show people they are viable  choices, there are LOTS of users, even on this forum that think a i5 4440 + H81 motherboard, will make their gaming experience horrible, that the i5 4690k is the only way to go, and non Z97 mobos are bad.

If guys like Linus show a couple budget builds, this CPUs will get recommended a lot more, potentially balancing gaming builds a lot. Good for the audience, good for the buyers. People that actually now the differences and benefits, can just skip the video.

A value build, with a locked i5 or i3, a basic motherboard, a Source 220, 500-600W PSU, 8 GB of the good stuff, a 120-128GB SSD and a R9 280 or better, will show that you can faceroll 1080p with a $700-850 system easily.

 

 

If more people bought what they needed instead of what they think they needed or what they were told they needed, H and B series boards would be far more popular.

 

@ForsakenLive hit the nail right on the head when he explained how you spend so much extra, in total, to OC your CPU and gain maybe a few FPS in a few games - when instead you could get a GPU possibly in the next tier up and have FAR better gaming performance. 

 

This is precisely why I chose the parts I did for my build. (Ignore the H60 - I just added that, but it's not normally necessary). Even with the stock cooler, it performs really well in gaming. A friend of mine built his latest gaming PC a year before I did and he spent about $1700 on that monstrous gigantic tower. He went with a K series i5, Z series board and an H80 cooler. Does he overclock it? No. Never. And get this; my PC cost about $900-1000 (CDN) in the end and performs just as well as his in gaming.

 

Do I wish now that I had spent the extra on a K CPU and Z board? Not at all. I've discovered that when the conditions and situation is ideal, it actually overclocks itself and often beyond it's rated "turbo" frequency - on all 4 cores. It's more than fast enough for heavy gaming and most games will rarely push any i5 anywhere near full load, consistently. 

 

you guys have really inspired me i was getting all that high end steff that i don't need and you have enlighten me

[Trik'Stari]

Funny, make slick do it has overtaken both yes and no.

 

I still think this is a good idea, consider the people that might be thinking about building a PC, have very little money and or don't want to fool around with an assload of options for overclocking that they'll end up never using.

 

Granted the idea of a "plug and play" computer build is a bit console-esque, but even with a locked 4690 you'd still be well above and beyond a console.

 

Hell there's a bunch of pcie slots on my mobo, short weird ones and I have no idea whatsoever what they're for, probably won't ever use them.

[ericlee30]

I like build vids anyways regardless if they are overclock builds or not, so i vote yes that would be really cool of Linus to do a none overclocked build.

[Trik'Stari]

I like build vids anyways regardless if they are overclock builds or not, so i vote yes that would be really cool of Linus to do a none overclocked build.

Agreed, I dont know how many wishlists I've got on newegg that I'll likely never be able to afford, or won't end up buying. But it's still fun to think about.

[Faa]

Just to show people they are viable  choices, there are LOTS of users, even on this forum that think a i5 4440 + H81 motherboard, will make their gaming experience horrible, that the i5 4690k is the only way to go, and non Z97 mobos are bad.

If guys like Linus show a couple budget builds, this CPUs will get recommended a lot more, potentially balancing gaming builds a lot. Good for the audience, good for the buyers. People that actually now the differences and benefits, can just skip the video.

A value build, with a locked i5 or i3, a basic motherboard, a Source 220, 500-600W PSU, 8 GB of the good stuff, a 120-128GB SSD and a R9 280 or better, will show that you can faceroll 1080p with a $700-850 system easily.

if linus makes a video about how small the difference is between a i5 4440/H81 vs a 4670K at average clock 4.2GHz with a z97 is, everyone would get it just like how he made this forum getting spammed about the pentium.