Performance less than expected

[IAMFATE]

Hello, all

 

I am an amateur PC builder who has been fiddling with systems since dual cores were the king of the hill. 

key word here: amateur. 

I can put a system together hardware-wise and make it post with basic troubleshooting. I can diagnose a failed DIMM or GPU 

if the situation arises. I am not, however, an expert tuner in clock speeds and voltages. 

here is my conundrum:

 

I recently upgraded my system. the current specs:

Ryzen 7 5800x

32GB DDR4 (4 DIMMs) @ 2400 MHz

RTX 4090 24G

AIO for CPU. 

4 fans aside from the radiator provide a positive pressure cooling environment for the system. Temps have NEVER been an issue. (never seen above 60C)

My drives include 2 M.2 nvme for boot and crucial storage with 2 SATA 1 TB SSD's for supplemental. obviously my OS is on an NVME. 

 

After upgrading GPU to the 4090, I find that the performance upgrade was minimal from a 3060ti. I expected around 50 FPS, peak graphics performance (1920x1080)

and few to no issues with tessellation or stuttering. I have not seen this boost in performance. I have enabled Resizable BAR and cut all power restrictions. The automatic 

overclock provided by Firestorm software is pushing the CPU to 4.6 GHz reliably. For some reason I am still having issues running 2-5 year old games on max settings and retaining 60+ FPS.

 

  What changes can I make to optimize the hardware that I have? I tried A-XMP in the BIOS for the RAM, but was met with a black screen and no-boot scenario. Had to reset the CMOS. 

Primary display is an LG Ultragear @ 144 HZ 

 

Help?

[Levent]

Where to start, lots of questionable choices here.  You paired a 4090 to a 1080p display, and guaranteed yourself a hopeless CPU bottleneck. ON top of that you got obscenely slow running rams in that system making things much worse.

 

You are going to have to learn ram timings and what they do real fast. RAM is your primary culprit for now.

 

If you are lucky, you might be able to use RDC.

 

Tweak PBO while at it.

 

[IAMFATE]

I can pick up a couple kits of faster RAM and a better monitor if they will actually make the difference. 

DDR4 maxes at 3600, right?

 

Please excuse my ignorance here

Does running a lower resolution hurt the framerate? I would think that there are less pixels to deal with, so less stress. 

[DoctorNick]

14 minutes ago, IAMFATE said:

Hello, all

 

I am an amateur PC builder who has been fiddling with systems since dual cores were the king of the hill. 

key word here: amateur. 

I can put a system together hardware-wise and make it post with basic troubleshooting. I can diagnose a failed DIMM or GPU 

if the situation arises. I am not, however, an expert tuner in clock speeds and voltages. 

here is my conundrum:

 

I recently upgraded my system. the current specs:

Ryzen 7 5800x

32GB DDR4 (4 DIMMs) @ 2400 MHz

RTX 4090 24G

AIO for CPU. 

4 fans aside from the radiator provide a positive pressure cooling environment for the system. Temps have NEVER been an issue. (never seen above 60C)

My drives include 2 M.2 nvme for boot and crucial storage with 2 SATA 1 TB SSD's for supplemental. obviously my OS is on an NVME. 

 

After upgrading GPU to the 4090, I find that the performance upgrade was minimal from a 3060ti. I expected around 50 FPS, peak graphics performance (1920x1080)

and few to no issues with tessellation or stuttering. I have not seen this boost in performance. I have enabled Resizable BAR and cut all power restrictions. The automatic 

overclock provided by Firestorm software is pushing the CPU to 4.6 GHz reliably. For some reason I am still having issues running 2-5 year old games on max settings and retaining 60+ FPS.

 

  What changes can I make to optimize the hardware that I have? I tried A-XMP in the BIOS for the RAM, but was met with a black screen and no-boot scenario. Had to reset the CMOS. 

Primary display is an LG Ultragear @ 144 HZ 

 

Help?

Did you DDU before installing the new card? If not, download DDU https://www.wagnardsoft.com/display-driver-uninstaller-ddu-

Run DDU - choose safe mode when prompted at program startup. After reboot to safe mode, DDU will launch. Go to option, in DDU. Choose "prevent windows update from downloading drivers".

Go back and choose clean and shutdown for installing new GPU.

PC will turn off.

Turn PC back on and install GPU drivers.

 

For ram A-XMP. It could be because you are running two different kits or simply a kits of 2 sticks. Then the XMP (DOCP) profile will be optimized for that and not 4 sticks.

If its the same ram kit. Go to BIOS, set frequency to what the ram kit is specified for, set dram voltage to what the kit is specified for. 1.35v for example and primary timings, eg. 16-18-18-18-18-38. 

You can check what your ram is specified for in SPD tab in BIOS.

[Needfuldoer]

33 minutes ago, IAMFATE said:

Ryzen 7 5800x

32GB DDR4 (4 DIMMs) @ 2400 MHz

Oof. That set will work, but Zen processors really need fast RAM to run their best. 

 

Try a set that's at least DDR4-3200, if not faster with an overclock.

[jaslion]

Honestly this justf eels like you need to ddu the drivers and install a fresh set from the nvidia site aftee since well even with the slow ram a lot of older games should do 60fps+

 

However what games are you trying? Some have EXTREME performance impact at cranked settings that they are basically internally running at 16k res or some shit.

 

You tried on medium and such?

 

Also get msi afterburner and check cpu and gpu usage during games as well as temps.

 

83c or under for the 4090 is what you want and under 95c for the 5800x.

 

You posted 60c for tge cpu but what about gpu during games? Maybe its cooling restricted since you didnt post your case.

[ki8aras]

im pretty sure you can overclock your ram to 2866 or 2933 with a bit of extra voltage (something like 1.39v) and you'll see a pretty sizeable performance improvement

[Hellowpplz]

2 hours ago, IAMFATE said:

Does running a lower resolution hurt the framerate? I would think that there are less pixels to deal with, so less stress. 

Lower resolution decreases gpu load and increases cpu load

Plus the ram isn't helping the cpu

[IAMFATE]

Working on learning about timing for my RAM and implementing a first attempt at a fix. 

 

I appreciate all the replies and knowledge. I will get a fresh set of GPU drivers, as I expect this could be a major issue. Before the 4090 I was running my main screen off a 3060ti and both secondary screens off a 1660 super. (Yes, they worked well together without SLI.) I will implement a driver wipe and conservative RAM profile and report back. Btw, 4 DIMMs: 2 fury, 2 ballictic. All rated the same, but I understand they may not like working together. We shall see.

[IAMFATE]

17 hours ago, jaslion said:

Honestly this justf eels like you need to ddu the drivers and install a fresh set from the nvidia site aftee since well even with the slow ram a lot of older games should do 60fps+

 

However what games are you trying? Some have EXTREME performance impact at cranked settings that they are basically internally running at 16k res or some shit.

 

You tried on medium and such?

 

Also get msi afterburner and check cpu and gpu usage during games as well as temps.

 

83c or under for the 4090 is what you want and under 95c for the 5800x.

 

You posted 60c for tge cpu but what about gpu during games? Maybe its cooling restricted since you didnt post your case.

Ran FurMark at native 1920x1080 with 8x MSAA for 20 minutes. temps stabilized at 65*C. 

 

Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Battlefront 2, Fortnite, Hogwarts Legacy  ( I know, not that old), and Back 4 Blood were all titles that I was slightly disappointed with. 

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, IAMFATE said:

Ran FurMark at native 1920x1080 with 8x MSAA for 20 minutes. temps stabilized at 65*C. 

 

Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Battlefront 2, Fortnite, Hogwarts Legacy  ( I know, not that old), and Back 4 Blood were all titles that I was slightly disappointed with. 

Try in game. Furmark has a powervirus flsg in the drivers so cards go into safety.

 

Also keep in mind that during gaming both cpu and gpu are going so that may influence overal temps in a big way.

 

Have you DDU the display driver and installed a fresh one yet