Help me upgrade my sons PC please.

[podkall]

4 hours ago, filpo said:

6700k is capable, it wouldn't be that huge

I've got a 5600 and a 3060 and with some games the 5600 is a bottleneck at 1080p in games such as pcbs2 or destiny 2

So a 3600 with a 3060 ti at 1080p would be quite a bottleneck

yes I mean if you think about it even a 7800x3D is bottlenecking RTX 3060

 

4 hours ago, Blasty Blosty said:

I think you forgot to copy the AM5 build

oh dear I did

 

38 minutes ago, CMB1888 said:

So, no matter what processor, ram, motherboard I get him there will be no improvement because the graphics card will prevent it? Is that right? 

no, the faster CPU will allow more frames to be generated by the GPU because it can call frames to be generated by GPU more often

[filpo]

1 hour ago, GreenLeaf said:

First what is your budget?

I would get an AM5 Ryzen 7 7800X3D and some corsair AIO watercooler depending on your son's case

The 6700k is definitely bottlenecking this 3060ti

But the GPU is definitely fine to use in 2024.

Maybe a new power supply will be needed

Oh and 32 gigs of DDR5 6000 or 6400 will be great to have.

 

That is not gonna fit in budget at ALL

 

35 minutes ago, GreenLeaf said:

This card with a 6700k is a massive bottleneck 

I wouldn't say massive, 6700k isn't bad, it's still got multi threading 

6 minutes ago, podkall said:

yes I mean if you think about it even a 7800x3D is bottlenecking RTX 3060

how?

Edited May 1 by filpo

[podkall]

10 minutes ago, filpo said:

how?

because if you're CPU bound on 7800x3D, the 3060 can't do more frames of course

[GreenLeaf]

39 minutes ago, Blasty Blosty said:

Depends on the game really. Some games such as csgo/cs2 will benefit massively from a cpu upgrade, but more GPU intensive games (most) will not see a huge difference.

 

Although, it needs to be done because if you bought a more powerful GPU, the cpu will be a definite bottleneck. 

Also hes son's playing Minecraft which is a pretty heavy on the CPU 

[GreenLeaf]

14 minutes ago, filpo said:

That is not gonna fit in budget at ALL

 

I wouldn't say massive, 6700k isn't bad, it's still got multi threading 

how?

I have this cpu with the non k version and a 4060 and its bottlenecking as f***

[BentleyOwen123]

Just now, GreenLeaf said:

I have this cpu with the non k version and a 4060 and its bottlenecking as f***

for your use case it might be, but the 7600k is a fine cpu

[GreenLeaf]

1 minute ago, GreenLeaf said:

I have this cpu with the non k version and a 4060 and its bottlenecking as f***

By the way the 4060 is cheaper than 3060 in my region 

[GreenLeaf]

2 minutes ago, BentleyOwen123 said:

for your use case it might be, but the 7600k is a fine cpu

We are talking on a 6700k quad core

[GreenLeaf]

10 minutes ago, podkall said:

because if you're CPU bound on 7800x3D, the 3060 can't do more frames of course

You're not CPU bounded with a 7800x3d. I may use it in my next build with a 4090

[TatamiMatt]

2 hours ago, GreenLeaf said:

First what is your budget?

I would get an AM5 Ryzen 7 7800X3D and some corsair AIO watercooler depending on your son's case

The 6700k is definitely bottlenecking this 3060ti

But the GPU is definitely fine to use in 2024.

Maybe a new power supply will be needed

Oh and 32 gigs of DDR5 6000 or 6400 will be great to have.

 

7800X3D is already outside the budget as the CPU alone would take up the majority of the budget sadly but a great choice nonetheless if the budget was higher, but corsair AIOs are laregly kinda crap and a 7800X3D can easily be cooled by a large range of air coolers

[GreenLeaf]

1 minute ago, TatamiMatt said:

7800X3D is already outside the budget as the CPU alone would take up the majority of the budget sadly but a great choice nonetheless if the budget was higher, but corsair AIOs are laregly kinda crap and a 7800X3D can easily be cooled by a large range of air coolers

I fine corsair aios fine but whatever 

I know u can cool it with something like an nh-d15 but i would prefer water cooling this

[TatamiMatt]

3 minutes ago, GreenLeaf said:

I fine corsair aios fine but whatever 

I know u can cool it with something like an nh-d15 but i would prefer water cooling this

They arent too bad, but youre paying $150 for something a $35 phantom spirit can do with ease

 

Or if you wanted to go down the AIO route, the Arctic LF3 would be around $75 for better performance than the corsair one

 

Corsair AIOs are alright, but there are so many better performing, better priced and better price to performance coolers populating the market

[GreenLeaf]

4 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

They arent too bad, but youre paying $150 for something a $35 phantom spirit can do with ease

 

Or if you wanted to go down the AIO route, the Arctic LF3 would be around $75 for better performance than the corsair one

 

Corsair AIOs are alright, but there are so many better performing, better priced and better price to performance coolers populating the market

I love the esthetics on corsair's aio

Don't judge me but i also like there's software 

[podkall]

18 minutes ago, GreenLeaf said:

You're not CPU bounded with a 7800x3d. I may use it in my next build with a 4090

technically you are, but that's not the issue is it?

 

8 minutes ago, GreenLeaf said:

I fine corsair aios fine but whatever 

I know u can cool it with something like an nh-d15 but i would prefer water cooling this

7800x3D is much easier to cool, or at least the cooling can be 3x less expensive

[GreenLeaf]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

technically you are, but that's not the issue is it?

 

7800x3D is much easier to cool, or at least the cooling can be 3x less expensive

I said how i gonna upgrade this pc

[filpo]

29 minutes ago, GreenLeaf said:

I have this cpu with the non k version and a 4060 and its bottlenecking as f***

K version has got a higher tdp so as a result it can turbo a bit higher because of 30 watts more. 1080p? 

i never said that the 6700k wouldn’t bottleneck the 3060 ti, I said that it wasn’t going to be a huge difference between 5600 and 6700k

 

35 minutes ago, podkall said:

because if you're CPU bound on 7800x3D, the 3060 can't do more frames of course

Where are you going to be cpu bound on a 3060 with a 7800X3D

[GreenLeaf]

1 minute ago, filpo said:

K version has got a higher tdp so as a result it can turbo a bit higher because of 30 watts more. 1080p? 

i never said that the 6700k wouldn’t bottleneck the 3060 ti, I said that it wasn’t going to be a huge difference between 5600 and 6700k

 

Where are you going to be cpu bound on a 3060 with a 7800X3D

Its quad core vs 6 core cpu

With higher frequency 

[TatamiMatt]

8 minutes ago, GreenLeaf said:

Its quad core vs 6 core cpu

With higher frequency 

7800X3D is 8 core and the literal best gaming CPU current available, nothing can bottleneck it unless youre running like CS2 or valorant on low graphics with a 4090, so core count and clock speed is somewhat redundant unless you know what and how to compare them, for example, the 7800X3D (8 core 5GHz max) beats a 14900KS (24 core 6.2GHz max). So even with the extra cores and clock speed, there are other factors that go into determining the real world performance of a CPU, the 5600X will be better than the 6700K, but not by a ton

[GreenLeaf]

3 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

the 7800X3D (8 core 5GHz max) beats a 14900KS (24 core 6.2GHz max)

Due to the 3d v-cache technology 

[TatamiMatt]

1 minute ago, GreenLeaf said:

Due to the 3d v-cache technology 

Yessir

[CMB1888]

If we are going down the AM4 route to avoid replacing the RAM, how about a used Ryzen 7 5800x for approx £130?  Is that reasonable? 

[TatamiMatt]

3 minutes ago, CMB1888 said:

If we are going down the AM4 route to avoid replacing the RAM, how about a used Ryzen 7 5800x for approx £130?  Is that reasonable? 

Yeah, its not a bad deal, its about a 10% increase in FPS over the 5600X and the 5600X is that price new

[podkall]

1 hour ago, filpo said:

Where are you going to be cpu bound on a 3060 with a 7800X3D

in CPU intensive games,

 

1 hour ago, filpo said:

i never said that the 6700k wouldn’t bottleneck the 3060 ti, I said that it wasn’t going to be a huge difference between 5600 and 6700k

it is huge difference the less multi-core, GPU intensive and more IPC improvements hit:

 

u got small boost in multi-core capable game with high graphics:

 

and then you have total obliteration in CPU intensive games:

 

 

• 6700k left, 3600 middle, 5600 right

 

[filpo]

1 hour ago, GreenLeaf said:

Its quad core vs 6 core cpu

With higher frequency 

It depends on the game, even some games only benefit like 10% 

5 minutes ago, podkall said:

in CPU intensive games,

 

it is huge difference the less multi-core, GPU intensive and more IPC improvements hit:

 

u got small boost in multi-core capable game with high graphics:

 

and then you have total obliteration in CPU intensive games:

 

 

• 6700k left, 3600 middle, 5600 right

 

Then it depends which games OP plays

thanks for the pics btw I’m on mobile rn so couldn’t get them

1 hour ago, CMB1888 said:

If we are going down the AM4 route to avoid replacing the RAM, how about a used Ryzen 7 5800x for approx £130?  Is that reasonable? 

am5 will net you a longer upgrade path with a better cpu for the same price

[GreenLeaf]

1 hour ago, CMB1888 said:

If we are going down the AM4 route to avoid replacing the RAM, how about a used Ryzen 7 5800x for approx £130?  Is that reasonable? 

Tats will be ok but you might want to check the 5800X3D