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Hey all and squeaks to you.

 

I've been out of the tech loop for a long time (built last pc when I was working at EVGA in the 200 series days) now toying with my rog advantage edition g15 laptop

 

Anyway...

 

With the advent of m.2 integration my little mouse brain has been working on ideas to break my pc in new and hilarious ways and I've settled on something fun. 

 

I have 2 nvme drives. If I partition each in half can I run raid 0 on the primary partitions of each and mirror to the secondary partitions? 

 

I haven't tried it yet, just having thoughts. 

 

Back in the pre solid state days, latency would be an immediate road block to doing so with any hope of stability.  

 

Maybe I'm talking absolute nonsense maybe it has already been done . "Just google it" now brings sadness for all things that aren't buying sponsored garbage and hot lists . So I turn to the mighty ltt community in my timid return to forum culture.  

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Can I ask what your hoping to achieve with this arrangement?

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7 hours ago, will0hlep said:

Can I ask what your hoping to achieve with this arrangement?

Honestly, experience.  I expect that there will be complications. Alot can be learned in how it would function first hand and if there is any appreciable boost in performance and what the trade offs will actually be. It's not a primary machine so data loss if it's unstable isn't an issue. 

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-> Moved to Storage Devices

 

I suggest you change title to something more descriptive. This is hardly newbie question as it taps to limitations of technology.

 

I'm not quite sure how you have thought this through. Partition each drive to 2, have Vol0s in RAID0 for performance and Vol1s mirror of each other? Or each mirror for the RAID0? Latter AFAIK shouldn't work. Mirroring would need to have equal sized partitions on earth side, and in RAID0 it's seen as total capacity of the two. I guess you could have 2xRAID0s across two drives with software backup. But when the backup writing is in progress, that will have effect on performance. You are still limited to each drives max r/w speeds, regardless of how the setup is done.

 

Someone else will correct me if that's not correctly thought.

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20 hours ago, will0hlep said:

Can I ask what your hoping to achieve with this arrangement?

 

21 hours ago, Sydmouse said:

to break my pc in new and hilarious ways

? 

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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would recommend to watch this if you want to know more about how raid works, this dude knows a thing or two about it.

 

 

 

(has way more videos on the subject) 

The direction tells you... the direction. 

-Scott Manley, 2021

 

Softwares used:

Corsair Link (Anime Edition) 

MSI Afterburner 

OpenRGB

Lively Wallpaper 

OBS Studio

Shutter Encoder

Avidemux

FSResizer

Audacity 

VLC

WMP

GIMP

HWiNFO64

Paint

3D Paint

GitHub Desktop 

Superposition 

Prime95

Aida64

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CPUZ

Generic Logviewer

 

 

 

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On 3/28/2024 at 3:22 AM, LogicalDrm said:

-> Moved to Storage Devices

 

I suggest you change title to something more descriptive. This is hardly newbie question as it taps to limitations of technology.

 

I'm not quite sure how you have thought this through. Partition each drive to 2, have Vol0s in RAID0 for performance and Vol1s mirror of each other? Or each mirror for the RAID0? Latter AFAIK shouldn't work. Mirroring would need to have equal sized partitions on earth side, and in RAID0 it's seen as total capacity of the two. I guess you could have 2xRAID0s across two drives with software backup. But when the backup writing is in progress, that will have effect on performance. You are still limited to each drives max r/w speeds, regardless of how the setup is done.

 

Someone else will correct me if that's not correctly thought.

My apologies.  I'm a newbie in the sense that I dropped pc building well over 15 years ago and haven't followed tech closely so honestly I am basically a newbie. I do see how hat can be misleading,  it was not my intention. 

 

 

To the design, it's unconventional yes but I can apply what I learn to new ideas. I'd like to do the following 

 

1. Split 2 m.2 drives into 4 total equal volumes (both 970 Evo 1tb drives)

 

2. Set up raid 0+1 

  - raid 0 would be split between the two separate drives onto their respective primary partitions 

- raid 1 would mirror the data within the drive to it's partition on that same drive. Only that drives  half of the data would be copied onto the partition 

 

2a. (Secondary experiment)Mirror the complete data to each partition.  Creating 2 redundant copies. 

 

Currently I want to see how it affects performance but mostly I want to see if it can work and what if anything is the weakest link as applied. 

 

Software raid is undeniably unstable.  But I'd really like to play with the result. 

 

I really loved messing with possibilities but work got in my way 🙂

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Sydmouse said:

- raid 1 would mirror the data within the drive to it's partition on that same drive. Only that drives  half of the data would be copied onto the partition

This will not work. Any drive can only have one raid set up at the time. So since partition 1 already has raid0, it can't have raid1 also. Meaning that it would need to have software backup to secure data.

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