PROXMOX with truenas and wireguard

[Ntdi]

Hello! I’m building a home server to run proxmox whilst also being able to virtualixe truenas and wireguard. What do people thing about this current configuration I have? Any setup changes that I should make? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FmLB9c

 

[OddOod]

Looks okay.
Kinda surprised that you're building a NAS with only two hard drives though, and not sure why you have two mismatched SSDs

[Ntdi]

32 minutes ago, OddOod said:

Looks okay.
Kinda surprised that you're building a NAS with only two hard drives though, and not sure why you have two mismatched SSDs

Hey! Two hard drives so I can Raid 1 it and call it a day. The nvme is for boot drive to store proxmox, and the ssd is for other virtualization projects like OS's.

[Paddo]

I would go for a smaller nvme for proxmox and maybe RAID1 the SSDs for virtualization.
But keep in mind my proxmox is 8 years old and running just openvpn on debian and windows xp so take my advice with a grain of salt

[LIGISTX]

1 hour ago, Ntdi said:

Hey! Two hard drives so I can Raid 1 it and call it a day. The nvme is for boot drive to store proxmox, and the ssd is for other virtualization projects like OS's.

You can run your virtualized OS’s off the proxmox host drive directly. No need to have a second drive. 
 

Also, that machine is massive overkill, so assuming you are ok with knowing that, that’s fine. But 32GB is way more than enough, and I agree it probably makes more sense to run more than just 2 drives. ZFS is “expensive” to add storage down the line since you’d need to add entirely new vdevs if you need more space, so make sure you start with enough space for the foreseeable future, it’ll cost more to slowly add space since each vdev you make needs its own redundancy…

 

Also to properly virtualize truenas, you need to pass an HBA through to it. So you’d need an eBay LSI HBA. Dell h310 is a great option. Just needs to be flashed to IT mode, this one already is and comes with the SAS>SATA cables as well. 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133485835643?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=OwHu05S9RzG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=B1xTkXm_Qfe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

Around the 18 minute mark this video shows you how to store everything on the proxmox boot drive. Myself and friends have done this for years, works totally fine. 
https://youtu.be/_u8qTN3cCnQ?si=AH5XIU3V4Wyv8ElB

[Zando_]

20 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

Also to properly virtualize truenas, you need to pass an HBA through to it. So you’d need an eBay LSI HBA. Dell h310 is a great option. Just needs to be flashed to IT mode, this one already is and comes with the SAS>SATA cables as well. 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133485835643?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=OwHu05S9RzG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=B1xTkXm_Qfe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Be wary, these are very commonly cloned (same with Intel NICs). I'd avoid listings like that with a bunch, look for one that says in the description that it was pulled from a server, and preferably one with an authenticity sticker you can double-check to confirm it's a real unit. That's what I did for mine, flashed it to IT-Mode myself, it works fine. Clones can be shoddy quality so you can run into issues with them. 

[LIGISTX]

12 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Be wary, these are very commonly cloned (same with Intel NICs). I'd avoid listings like that with a bunch, look for one that says in the description that it was pulled from a server, and preferably one with an authenticity sticker you can double-check to confirm it's a real unit. That's what I did for mine, flashed it to IT-Mode myself, it works fine. Clones can be shoddy quality so you can run into issues with them. 

Really? I have never once heard of an LSI clone…. These used HBA’s are extremely common with the TrueNAS world and I have never once heard of this. I have heard of clone Intel NIC’s, but not HBA’s. 
 

I didn’t actually investigate that seller,‘I just randomly linked one I saw on eBay. But plenty of reputable enough sellers sell them which is what I typically look for when buying mine. 

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

Really? I have never once heard of an LSI clone…. These used HBA’s are extremely common with the TrueNAS world and I have never once heard of this. I have heard of clone Intel NIC’s, but not HBA’s. 
 

I didn’t actually investigate that seller,‘I just randomly linked one I saw on eBay. But plenty of reputable enough sellers sell them which is what I typically look for when buying mine. 

https://www.truenas.com/community/resources/fake-server-cards.198/

Art of Server has at least one other vid on counterfeits as well. I learned about em when I was looking at what HBA to get for TrueNAS, that's why I picked a single listing card with an authenticity sticker visible on it in the photos, that I could cross-check to confirm it was legit. 

[Jarsky]

2 hours ago, LIGISTX said:

Really? I have never once heard of an LSI clone…. These used HBA’s are extremely common with the TrueNAS world and I have never once heard of this. I have heard of clone Intel NIC’s, but not HBA’s. 
 

I didn’t actually investigate that seller,‘I just randomly linked one I saw on eBay. But plenty of reputable enough sellers sell them which is what I typically look for when buying mine. 

 

Theyre quite commonly sold on eBay etc...as refurbished cards. Theyre actually real LSI 2008 etc...chipsets, but with a third party board typically based off the 9211-8i design. Theres nothing wrong with them tbh, but its good to be aware of. 

 

 

My question for the OP is why are we running Proxmox? TrueNAS Scale should be able to fulfill all the needs discussed so far?

Particularly since its a single host and not a cluster. 

[Ntdi]

19 hours ago, Jarsky said:

 

My question for the OP is why are we running Proxmox? TrueNAS Scale should be able to fulfill all the needs discussed so far?

Particularly since its a single host and not a cluster. 

I Want to use proxmox as I want to learn it and also containerize my system.

 

21 hours ago, LIGISTX said:

You can run your virtualized OS’s off the proxmox host drive directly. No need to have a second drive. 
 

Also, that machine is massive overkill, so assuming you are ok with knowing that, that’s fine. But 32GB is way more than enough, and

Im aware this is overkill - I like overkill. I plan on using this for more vms that I want to host and such, it'll be perfect for expanding in the future.

Edited February 8 by Ntdi
More information

[LIGISTX]

23 minutes ago, Ntdi said:

I Want to use proxmox as I want to learn it and also containerize my system.

 

Im aware this is overkill - I like overkill. I plan on using this for more vms that I want to host and such, it'll be perfect for expanding in the future.

Just make sure you have an HBA for your TrueNAS drives to plug into. Besides that, ya it’ll be great. I run TrueNAS under proxmox and it’s been a great solution. 

[Ntdi]

11 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

Just make sure you have an HBA for your TrueNAS drives to plug into. Besides that, ya it’ll be great. I run TrueNAS under proxmox and it’s been a great solution. 

Much love

[Jarsky]

4 hours ago, Ntdi said:

I Want to use proxmox as I want to learn it and also containerize my system.

 

TrueNAS Scale has K8s (Kubernetes) and a virtualization platform built on QEMU/KVM as well. Proxmox has containers in the form of LXCs. An advantage to Kubernetes is that you can manage Docker containers and many other containerised applications in Kubernetes with less *technical knowledge* and Docker is the largest library of containerised applications, and extremely easy to containerise your own.

 

Proxmox is fantastic for a Open Source VMware alternative where you need HA / Clustering, but for a single node for managing storage, containers and a nice VM manager imo TrueNAS Scale is king.I run Proxmox virtualised in my test lab. 

 

Id recommend spinning up a virtual instance of each (even if you do that on your desktop with something like Virtualbox, and give each a test drive before you commit to one. 

[nil_pointer]

On 2/7/2024 at 9:00 AM, Zando_ said:

Be wary, these are very commonly cloned (same with Intel NICs). I'd avoid listings like that with a bunch, look for one that says in the description that it was pulled from a server, and preferably one with an authenticity sticker you can double-check to confirm it's a real unit. That's what I did for mine, flashed it to IT-Mode myself, it works fine. Clones can be shoddy quality so you can run into issues with them. 

I second this. I also quite like LSI megaraid cards but I needed something to support sas 3 and the dell perc cards get pricey for newer ones.