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, BUT NOTHING ABOUT WHAT hZ IT CAN DO AT 3K. tHIS IS WHY i AM CONFUSED ON IF MY CARD CAN DO IT.On the ECGA site, it hAS

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Refresh rate that the card supports at a given resolution is going to be determined by the spec of the HDMI or DisplayPort that it has. 

 

 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

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Cards have no Hz maximum, monitors have

A 3060 is designed for 1080p, can play at 1440p medium on most games

Now for office work it can display on 2x 4K monitors indeed

 

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I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

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Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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10 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Cards have no Hz maximum, monitors have

 

Not exactly true. There is an upper limit to the amount of data which can be transmitted through display connectors. This means that there is a limit to the hz a card can support at a given resolution. 

 

For example, DVI-D tops out at 30hz at 3840 x 2400. DisplayPort 1.2 could support 1080p and 1440p at 144hz. 1.3 and 1.4 could push those resolutions at 240hz and 4k at 120hz but not at 144hz without making sacrifices in image quality. 

 

Edit: Or just look at the big old honkin' chart IkeaGnome posted above.

 

 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

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11 minutes ago, Middcore said:

Refresh rate that the card supports at a given resolution is going to be determined by the spec of the HDMI or DisplayPort that it has. 

 

 

Amazon says (oddly no DP version)

nterface HDMI 2.1, Display Port
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Just now, Edward78 said:

Amazon says (oddly no DP version)

nterface HDMI 2.1, Display Port

 

The features tab on the EVGA page for the card you linked (I don't know why you're looking at Amazon instead of that) clearly says it's HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4a. 

 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

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17 minutes ago, Edward78 said:

BUT NOTHING ABOUT WHAT hZ IT CAN DO AT 3K. tHIS IS WHY i AM CONFUSED ON IF MY CARD CAN DO IT.On the ECGA site, it hAS

It's the cable

Message me on discord (bread8669) for more help 

 

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5 minutes ago, Edward78 said:

Amazon says (oddly no DP version)

nterface HDMI 2.1, Display Port

EVGA has it listed more than once on their site. There's even a screenshot of it in my first post in this thread.

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

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Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Edward78 said:

Well yes those panels are ok, but don't expect 165FPS at 1440p on a 3060 except in CSGO or such.

You need at least a 3080/6900XT or better to even have a playable framerate in Starfield at that res...

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18 minutes ago, Edward78 said:

Yes you can.

 

That ASUS does not run 10-bit over DP 1.2 at 170Hz, not enough bandwidth. I don't even think it has 10-bit at all but if it does, it won't run probably only at 120Hz.

 

That LG can run 10-bit at 165Hz just fine... if it has it.

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1 minute ago, PDifolco said:

Well yes those panels are ok, but don't expect 165FPS at 1440p on a 3060 except in CSGO or such.

You need at least a 3080/6900XT or better to even have a playable framerate in Starfield at that res...

Obviously not on Ultra but he has 3060ti and it can definitely play most games at above 100FPS just fine at 1440p at decent settings. Yes, there are some new games that run like ass... on most cards anyways, nothing you can do about it.

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I am wanting to go 4k for a clearer pic, but waiting on Battlemage. So I don't have to overpay for a card that will do good 4k. Now is HDMI better to use for image quility?

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2 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Obviously not on Ultra but he has 3060ti and it can definitely play most games at above 100FPS just fine at 1440p at decent settings. Yes, there are some new games that run like ass... on most cards anyways, nothing you can do about it.

You may be right, I'm really into absurdly demanding games (hello TWW3) and use 3440x1440p it twists my perception 😛 

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Just now, Edward78 said:

I am wanting to go 4k for a clearer pick, but waiting on Battlemage. So I don't have to overpay for a card that will do 4k. Now is HDMI better to use for image quility?

Given Alchemist isn't even that good at 1080p, you're expecting way too much from Battlemage imo

DP is superior to HDMI in bandwidth, why should it impact quality ? 

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23 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Given Alchemist isn't even that good at 1080p, you're expecting way too much from Battlemage imo

DP is superior to HDMI in bandwidth, why should it impact quality ? 

I thought the Drivers were th main issue for Intel? Is 4k really even a option on this card & it be good? EVGA says

4K at 120 hZ.

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7 minutes ago, Edward78 said:

I thought the Drivers were th main issue for Intel?

Yeah, since 18 months now 😄

Sure they're better now but even then the "better" A700 Alchemist cards only compete with the lowest tier 4060/7600

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45 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Yeah, since 18 months now 😄

Sure they're better now but even then the "better" A700 Alchemist cards only compete with the lowest tier 4060/7600

That seems good for a 1st gen GPU maker. I am not wanting the latest & greatest. A card that can perform like to 4 seies for was less is better in my eyes. I won't judge Barrlemage before it is out. We all have to start somewhere.

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2 hours ago, Edward78 said:

That seems good for a 1st gen GPU maker. I am not wanting the latest & greatest. A card that can perform like to 4 seies for was less is better in my eyes. I won't judge Barrlemage before it is out. We all have to start somewhere.

Ok they did good for a first gen indeed, yet it's not compelling for anything above light gaming 

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20 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Ok they did good for a first gen indeed, yet it's not compelling for anything above light gaming 

They start out equal to a RTX 3060 right, with my 3060 Tu 8Gig, I play MO2 on cinematic (all setting) it seems to do fine. Anyway so 4k on this card, yes or no? Thinking off getting https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B355VFH7/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_4?smid=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&th=1

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6 hours ago, Edward78 said:

They start out equal to a RTX 3060 right, with my 3060 Tu 8Gig, I play MO2 on cinematic (all setting) it seems to do fine. Anyway so 4k on this card, yes or no? Thinking off getting https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B355VFH7/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_4?smid=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&th=1

This monitor looks very good, but you want to pair it with an entry level $200 GPU ?

Yes an A770 will "work" at 4K but no way you can play things like CP2077 or Starfield on it, only light/old games

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4 hours ago, PDifolco said:

This monitor looks very good, but you want to pair it with an entry level $200 GPU ?

Yes an A770 will "work" at 4K but no way you can play things like CP2077 or Starfield on it, only light/old games

A770 is eqaul to RTX 3060 right & I have a TI? Anyway my current GPU has no trouble with Mortal Online 2 all Cinematic on every video option. Plus, EVGA site says it can do 4k 120 Hz, so my current GPU should be good enough.

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1 hour ago, Edward78 said:

A770 is eqaul to RTX 3060 right & I have a TI? Anyway my current GPU has no trouble with Mortal Online 2 all Cinematic on every video option. Plus, EVGA site says it can do 4k 120 Hz, so my current GPU should be good enough.

4k 120hz in spreadsheets maybe. Gaming at 4k 120hz, not unless you only play e-sports.

 

Here is a ballpark 4k gaming benchmark of 23 games...

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4k 120hz in spreadsheets maybe. Gaming at 4k 120hz, not unless you only play e-sports.

 

I played Mortal Online 2 on a 75 Hz monitor before. Noissues IMO. This did fine for me, just wanted a bigger size.  So 120 Hz doesn't sound like a prob, if the image is nice & crisp.

 

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