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[HerrZach77]

Budget (including currency): Unspecified; ~$2500-3000

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 75% Gaming, Web surfing, hobbyist writing and minor database management

 

I've clipped a snapshot of my current intended parts list; I've already acquired the case and GPU. 

 

Now, time to be a person again. Hey everyone! New to the LTT Forums, been a subscriber to the YT channel for a few years now. I built my first PC back in early 2016 and it is WELL overdue for, in my case, a new build to jump into a set of hardware that's capable of handling these newer games. I'm posting to garner some feedback on my currently planned build; I'm the type to do tons of individual research where and how I can, BUT, still being a relative novice in the more detailed aspects of the PC world, I beseech you guys and gals for your input. 

 

My budget is left vague because I'm not opposed to spending decent chunks of money on my hobbies so long as the money is spent for a purpose. My theme, as is likely obvious, is a sort of snow white with black accent sort of build. Without writing a novel about why I chose what parts, all I can think to say now is this: what would you recommend I change, and why? Or did I do a decent enough job already?

 

Thanks in advance for the feedback, and happy gaming!

 

EDIT: Sorry, forgot to mention - I run multi-monitor setups; minimum of two, and I believe I'm going to be adding a third later on. Not sure if it changes anything, but I remember reading to mention it.

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by HerrZach77

[Why_Me]

PSU

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YTHqqs/phanteks-amp-v2-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ph-p1000g_wt02 

 

https://www.phanteks.store/products/phanteks-amp-series-white-1000w-80-gold-modular-power-supply 

 

GPU

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JMZXsY/gigabyte-aero-oc-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-gv-n4090aero-oc-24gd

 

RAM

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tbYmP6/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rs5w 

 

[kitnoman]

decent overall, and just put those parts as preference. However, I would just question a few, in relation to the question of "are you really going to use that features?" First, why x670e instead of x670? If you're really not going to do crazy overclocking and just "regular" OC, just get a more cheaper x670. You might be able to save as much as $100, which can do to either the cpu and get a 7900x or a higher wattage psu for future proofing. Second, your ssd choices, nvme 4.0 are fast, but with your use case, even the nvme 3.0 3500mb/s/3000mb/s read/write speed are more than enough. There are actually nvme with dram but pcpartpickers does not indicated it, which would probably save you $200 or more, which can also be allocated to other parts. simply put, allocate your budget to parts that you would actually be able to use the features/performance that you paid for. 

 

For example this build this is your build:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($349.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black 82.51 CFM CPU Cooler  ($109.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($321.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL40 Memory  ($238.80 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.58 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ B&H) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  ($999.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  ($91.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2631.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-20 00:32 EDT-0400

 

This is a build on getting the highest gpu with around $130-150 difference. If you add $50, you can get a 7900x cpu:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($349.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frost Spirit 140 V3 BLACK 77.8 CFM CPU Cooler  ($51.59 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO X670-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL34 Memory  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Silicon Power P34A80 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($76.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP34 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($156.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: PNY VERTO GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1589.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($52.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2772.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-20 00:32 EDT-0400

 

 

[Mark Kaine]

^probably go with the above cause your parts, while good, seem a bit on the weak side (esp cpu) for that kind of budget 

[SorryBella]

1 hour ago, HerrZach77 said:

I've already acquired the case and GPU. 

Excluded from the budget or not? If not, how much did you pay for them?

 

But yeah, with 2500-3000 we can afford the flagships of AMD here.

[UnknownWalls]

He should probably go with the Deepcool ak620 for equal preformance and cheaper.

Edited July 20, 2023 by UnknownWalls

[HerrZach77]

16 hours ago, SorryBella said:

Excluded from the budget or not? If not, how much did you pay for them?

 

But yeah, with 2500-3000 we can afford the flagships of AMD here.

The stated budget is total, so before I acquired them. I got the GPU for 950 off amazon (a little over 1k after tax and shipping and all that (think shipping was free actually)). The case I picked up from amazon as well for like 65 or 75 bucks on a sale

[HerrZach77]

16 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

^probably go with the above cause your parts, while good, seem a bit on the weak side (esp cpu) for that kind of budget 

Why is the 7700X especially weak for my use-case? Isn't it the case where like 95% of games don't even properly USE 8 cores? Shouldn't I focus on 8-12 cores at a higher frequency?

[HerrZach77]

17 hours ago, kitnoman said:

decent overall, and just put those parts as preference. However, I would just question a few, in relation to the question of "are you really going to use that features?" First, why x670e instead of x670? If you're really not going to do crazy overclocking and just "regular" OC, just get a more cheaper x670. You might be able to save as much as $100, which can do to either the cpu and get a 7900x or a higher wattage psu for future proofing. Second, your ssd choices, nvme 4.0 are fast, but with your use case, even the nvme 3.0 3500mb/s/3000mb/s read/write speed are more than enough. There are actually nvme with dram but pcpartpickers does not indicated it, which would probably save you $200 or more, which can also be allocated to other parts. simply put, allocate your budget to parts that you would actually be able to use the features/performance that you paid for. 

 

For example this build this is your build:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($349.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black 82.51 CFM CPU Cooler  ($109.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($321.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL40 Memory  ($238.80 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.58 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($269.99 @ B&H) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  ($999.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  ($91.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2631.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-20 00:32 EDT-0400

 

This is a build on getting the highest gpu with around $130-150 difference. If you add $50, you can get a 7900x cpu:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($349.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frost Spirit 140 V3 BLACK 77.8 CFM CPU Cooler  ($51.59 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO X670-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL34 Memory  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Silicon Power P34A80 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($76.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP34 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($156.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: PNY VERTO GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1589.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($52.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2772.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-20 00:32 EDT-0400

 

 

I appreciate the time and effort for this but as I stated, I already have my GPU and Case. In regards to the other items though...

I'll be very honest, I was NOT planning on doing too much in terms of overclocking (maybe some minor optimizing slightly above boost clock), and in terms of the 670E board, I honestly don't know much of the difference between a 670E vs a 670-P board. I chose that motherboard as an alternative to my previous choice of a Gigabyte B650 Aero G.

For the others, a lot of my selections were chosen from more reputable/well known brands. I'm by no means opposed to a brand like TEAMGROUP or Silicon Power or Thermalright, I've just never heard of them until recently (I actually JUST heard about Thermalright reading this if my memory serves). If you have certain reasons for these recommendations over the others please let me know.

 

P.S. In reference to your comment on the NVME speeds, you're right, for sure; I tend to like my overhead though, just in case that first game comes out with crazy speed demands. That way I can move some things around and then deal with it in time without just having to put playing it on pause. I forget which game it was but a year or two ago I had a game that I couldn't play because my SSD was too slow lol

[HerrZach77]

For all those who've commented thus far, thank you so much for the time and attention; I'll be investigating some of these recommendations myself and I hope to hear more

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, HerrZach77 said:

Why is the 7700X especially weak for my use-case? Isn't it the case where like 95% of games don't even properly USE 8 cores? Shouldn't I focus on 8-12 cores at a higher frequency?

because that is a false assumption  on your part.

 

but hey, if you're happy with weaksauce be my guest lol. 

[HerrZach77]

18 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

because that is a false assumption  on your part.

 

but hey, if you're happy with weaksauce be my guest lol. 

It's not an assumption on my part, its an assertion that MANY tech channels and news have reiterated over the last like 6-7 years, and I've seen zero evidence and only a handful of claims to the contrary. No reason to be a jerk about it.

[kitnoman]

6 hours ago, HerrZach77 said:

I appreciate the time and effort for this but as I stated, I already have my GPU and Case. In regards to the other items though...

I'll be very honest, I was NOT planning on doing too much in terms of overclocking (maybe some minor optimizing slightly above boost clock), and in terms of the 670E board, I honestly don't know much of the difference between a 670E vs a 670-P board. I chose that motherboard as an alternative to my previous choice of a Gigabyte B650 Aero G.

Long story short, stick and just look for b650 ro x670 parts, you probably don't need or even use every feature that the E variants offers in your use case.

6 hours ago, HerrZach77 said:

For the others, a lot of my selections were chosen from more reputable/well known brands. I'm by no means opposed to a brand like TEAMGROUP or Silicon Power or Thermalright, I've just never heard of them until recently (I actually JUST heard about Thermalright reading this if my memory serves). If you have certain reasons for these recommendations over the others please let me know.

These are good and reputable companies that came from asia(taiwan), that has only now started to venture in the west. Performance wise they compete with the best of them. Like take for example super flower brands of psu, you might have heard of them or you might not. But you probably have heard of their PSUs being one of the best, only in a different name, evga. Most evga psu are from super flower.

6 hours ago, HerrZach77 said:

 

P.S. In reference to your comment on the NVME speeds, you're right, for sure; I tend to like my overhead though, just in case that first game comes out with crazy speed demands. That way I can move some things around and then deal with it in time without just having to put playing it on pause. I forget which game it was but a year or two ago I had a game that I couldn't play because my SSD was too slow lol

I would never say  stop to a person who want's higher, faster, better. I'd say go for it! But I would also tell them facts. And fact is, even the oldest sata ssd with 400mb/s read/write speed is more than enough to eliminate every bottleneck that might cause by hdd. This is actually the reason why even the most recent AAA titles works on handheld pc(steamdeck/rog alley), even those games are just installed on the micro sd with an average of 100mb/s read speed. I had also an issue when a games with micro-stutter(which what normally happens if the read speed is too slow), but that's with hdd. If you had an experienced with an ssd, it could be caused different factors, like overheating, which was why it might throttled the speed, it's almost filled up, there were applications running in the back ground that's using it for no reason or notification(like windows update/defender). So, and this is just me speaking, for years to come, 3500mb/s read speed is probably enough.  But 5000/7000mb/s would really cut a few seconds on load times, but with diminishing returns as you go faster. By the time games require that kind of read speed, games are probably VR and GPU requirement are 5x or 10x more powerful than what we have now.

 

Since you already have gpu and case. If it were me, and I still want to have a better ssd, I would go for the Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB and  TEAMGROUP MP34 4TB. Change the motherboard to a b650 or x670 counterpart of what you have, which would probably be at least $50 lower. With the amount you saved on the ssd, you can get a much better cpu, which would push your gpu more. Let me give you a more list with brands that's more known in the west. You can either get the 7800x3d or 7900x cpu and still be under $2500 total.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($441.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black 82.51 CFM CPU Cooler  ($109.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($204.00 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  ($194.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Crucial P3 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($198.00 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  ($999.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  ($91.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2489.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-21 00:29 EDT-0400