Microsoft's Edge browser will display ads for Bing AI when users visit Google's competing Bard

[LAwLz]

21 hours ago, Spotty said:

This isn't the first time the two have run targeted ads to try and steal market share from their competitor. Windowslatest points out that Google runs similar ads targeting edge users advertising Google Chrome.

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Google aggressively promotes its services, too, just like Microsoft

It’s important to note that Microsoft is not alone in this approach, as Google has also engaged in similar tactics.

Microsoft’s strategy mirrors Google’s past actions, where the search engine giant displayed Chrome ads within Gmail when users accessed the email service using Edge. Google has also been known to promote Chrome through advertisements in Google Search when visited using Edge, showcasing an even more aggressive marketing approach.

I don't think these two are comparable.

One is a website displaying ads and the other one is the browser itself trying to redirect you to different websites than the ones you were visiting.

I think the latter pisses me off far more than the former, even if the former is a bit annoying.

 

But Edge is a terrible browser that nobody should use anyway. So hopefully this bad behavior won't affect that many people. If it does then I hope regulators start slapping Microsoft with antitrust violations again.

 

 

20 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Which web browser you suggest. Brave, the web browser everyone talks about, has now always on telemetry data. It also uses Google services for "safe browsing". So your data is with Google.

 

Firefox, has telemetry data as well, enabled by default.

Yes, but unlike Edge you can actually turn that telemetry data off, and the telemetry data that those browsers collect are far less privacy intrusive than what Edge collects.

"Telemetry data" can mean a lot of things, and some telemetry data is worse than other telemetry data. Stop trying to make it sound like they are the same when they absolutely aren't.

 

 

19 hours ago, divito said:

For the listed telemetry, this is true. However, Brave still sends out lots of requests, uses gstatic, there's Brave Rewards. Firefox has a lot of settings that also need to be turned off. Pretty much every browser will have this. Personally, I use Vivaldi. 

Edge is still worse than all of them. Not just because of the amount of telemetry it collects, but also the type of telemetry it collects.

The other browsers also seem to respect the settings you enable/disable, while Edge will constantly change them so that you always have to stay on your toes. Recently they introduced a "feature" that sends the full URI of the websites you visit to Bing for analysis, and it was enabled by default regardless of what your other settings said.

 

If you care about privacy, stay away from Edge. It is even worse than Chrome in that regard.

 

 

  

15 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

XP, Vista and 7, all had telemetry data.

Windows 2000 and earlier did not

You have to stop trying to mislead people.

Windows 7 did NOT collect the same information as Windows 8 and later OSes by Microsoft. They collected some telemetry, but the total amount of what they collected and what information they collected was very different. 

It's also worth noting that most of the telemetry data collected when running Windows 7 was not included in the original release. It was enabled in a "security update" that Microsoft released for Windows 7 and earlier OSes. So Microsoft made Windows 7 worse to more closely match how bad Windows 10 was in terms of privacy. It wasn't like it was horrible for privacy when it first launched.

[LloydLynx]

I know it's intrusive bullshit, but damn that's confidence in your product. 

[Vishera]

15 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

XP, Vista and 7, all had telemetry data.

Windows 2000 and earlier did not

On XP and Vista telemetry is optional and disabled by default,

On 7 telemetry is optional and disabled by default as long as you don't install certain updates:

[LAwLz]

5 minutes ago, Vishera said:

On XP and Vista telemetry is optional and disabled by default,

On 7 telemetry is optional and disabled by default as long as you don't install certain updates:

And the telemetry data is not the same as what's collected in Windows 10 and 11.

But GoodBytes won't tell anyone that because he is trying to mislead people. There is a very big difference between for example "if an old program doesn't work as it should, we will send the name and version of the program to us anonymously so we can look into it" and "we will log every website you visit, scan your PC and send a list of programs you use and when you use then, and also create several unique identifiers so that we can track you even if you change account or reinstall your OS". Both can be called telemetry, but one is a far bigger breach of privacy than the other.

 

Anyone who pretends like Windows 7 and Windows 10 are the same because both use "telemetry" is trying to deceive you or doesn't know what they are talking about.

[HenrySalayne]

42 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

And the telemetry data is not the same as what's collected in Windows 10 and 11.

But GoodBytes won't tell anyone that because he is trying to mislead people.

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Anyone who pretends like Windows 7 and Windows 10 are the same because both use "telemetry" is trying to deceive you or doesn't know what they are talking about.

You are emotional and outraged because somebody simply stated a fact:

16 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

XP, Vista and 7, all had telemetry data.

Windows 2000 and earlier did not

Do you think it's constructive to attribute imaginary arguments to people who never made them?

[Sauron]

22 hours ago, Spotty said:

People who use Microsoft Edge

well, problem solved for me

[GoodBytes]

39 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

Do you think it's constructive to attribute imaginary arguments to people who never made them?

The point is that people forget things, and like to imagine what they wish or incorrectly believe at the time.

 

Also, I am pointing the fact that you have all sorts of telemetry data, and people are overreacting on them. They assuming that someone is spying on them. That is far from the truth. No one cares exactly what you are doing. How you use an program is all quantitatively formed in fancy charts. Microsoft provides all the info that is being sent out. The only difference between before and today, is that everything is explained in 1 webpage, all grouped together, and written in plain English.

 

An app crash, Windows update fails, system specs, BDOD, all is sent to MS. It is part of the whole system to deliver a better experience, to put it shortly.

 

Yes, Brave send data to Google, but this is to use to identify bad websites and blocks them. It checks for updates, it gets system specs to know what it is user base uses. And so on...

 

Sure, you can argue that it is all lies, and that government spying on people, and more data than mentioned is being sent out on purpose, and all that foil hat. Sure. That comes with trust. You have a trust issue, that is on you. I am informing that the "popular said to be private" applications being suggested, isn't actually private.

 

In the end, you choose who you trust. But telemetry data is in all large scale applications. Some can be disabled sure, other really only reduced (ex: Brave or Windows), others... none at all (ex: many/most mobile games and apps, for example). 

 

Like or not, but Google has a massive series of solutions for app developers which are all very mature, free or nearly free, and powerful. Nothing is free. Even Open Source software needs a revenue at some point in it's life. People need money to eat, and have a roof on their head, and that is what drives people to put effort to move things forward.

[Vishera]

1 hour ago, HenrySalayne said:

You are emotional and outraged because somebody simply stated a fact:

When you state a fact but omit important details - That becomes a half-truth, that just misleads people.

40 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

No one cares exactly what you are doing.

They log your use habits of their product, attach Advertising ID yo your Windows installation and you are saying they don't care and don't spy on us?! 

[HenrySalayne]

1 minute ago, Vishera said:

When you state a fact but omit important details - That becomes a half-truth, that just misleads people.

There was no effort to compare or trivialize the amount of telemetry. It was a simple statement that telemetry existed in previous Windows editions.

 

44 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

The point is that people forget things, and like to imagine what they wish or incorrectly believe at the time.

Just so we're on the same page here if it was unclear:

1 hour ago, HenrySalayne said:

Do you think it's constructive to attribute imaginary arguments to people who never made them?

This was directed at @LAwLz who apparently read all kind of subtext into your previous statement.

[LAwLz]

3 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

You are emotional and outraged because somebody simply stated a fact:

Do you think it's constructive to attribute imaginary arguments to people who never made them?

He is being deceitful and I am tired of it.

I am not reading any subtext into it because this is like the 10th time he and I have had this conversation, and he keeps presenting half-truths in a misleading way.

 

The fact of the matter is that "telemetry" is a broad term and not all telemetry is the same. The telemetry in Windows 7 is not the same as the telemetry is in Windows 10. It's not the same things being collected, it's not the same amount being collected, and there is a big difference in that it's an optional thing, not mandatory.

 

Bringing up one when talking about the other as some kind of "if you're mad at Windows 10 then Windows 7 does it too" is wrong, because it's not the same thing. They are being called the same thing when they are very different in an attempt to make Windows 7 sound worse than it was, or Windows 10 better than it is in terms of privacy.

 

Technically, GoodBytes is correct in what he said, but he is hoping that people reading his posts will jump to the wrong conclusion (an incorrect, false, conclusion) because he left out crucial details on purpose. I know he did it on purpose because he has done this several times in the past despite me pointing it out to him. He is lying by omission.

[wanderingfool2]

On 4/30/2023 at 12:44 PM, HenrySalayne said:

There was no effort to compare or trivialize the amount of telemetry. It was a simple statement that telemetry existed in previous Windows editions.

By comparing Windows 11 telemetry and saying that people forget that Windows 7 had telemetry very much trivializes it.  A statement that very much tries to blur the lines between the severities when saying that other things like Firefox has telemetry while the person is talking about Edge being spyware.

 

It's akin to me talking about not wanting to live next to person X because they are a hardened criminal and then someone else comes in and say, oh person Y has a criminal record as well (while ignoring that person Y had a jaywalked while person X was charged with beating their neighbors).

 

Sure telemetry existed on Windows 7/firefox etc, but that doesn't justify away the severity that Windows 10+ has tracked people

 

On 4/30/2023 at 12:44 PM, HenrySalayne said:

This was directed at @LAwLz who apparently read all kind of subtext into your previous statement.

Honestly, there isn't much subtext.

 

Telemetry was brought up when someone called Edge spyware and made in comparison to things like Firefox (or Windows 11 vs Windows 7)...when in reality comparing the two telemetries are wildly different.