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Framework introduces Laptop 16!

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It's a real shame that WAN show is probably going to be overshadowed by this whole hacking situation, because Framework just hosted a stream today with a ridiculously cool number of innovations.

 

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From 13th gen upgrades for Laptop 13, a new 61Wh battery, matte display, screen bezel, AMD options..
And of course the brand new Laptop 16 coming in late the year.

From what I've seen recently in the laptop space, this machine rivals desktop levels of customizability and repair not echoed by any other manufacturer. 

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17 minutes ago, nathanbasset said:

not echoed by any other manufacturer

may I introduce you to the Dell Precision M6800.

-91wh battery

-matte or glossy screen

-MXM graphics card

-upgradable CPU

-4 DIMM slots

-literally every small part like screen latch, webcam, keyboard, trackpad, casing is easily replacable 

17 minutes ago, nathanbasset said:

screen bezel

lol hate to break it to you but it's kinda hard to make a screen without bezels, lame feature

 

4 minutes ago, 8tg said:

no

also, lenovo

the only thing framework has done is provided user serviceable parts themselves, thinkpad nerds did more as just a bunch of hobbyists than framework has yet to come close to 

Quite true

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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I wonder if this is why they visited LMG last week. (Linus mentioned it on WAN Show.)

 

27 minutes ago, da na said:

may I introduce you to the Dell Precision M6800.

We had a fleet of those deployed for mobile video editing workstations. They're tanks but they're serviceable and they'll take a pounding. Dell usually has illustrated service guides available for their hardware, too. There's a reason I always recommend them over HP.

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14 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

I wonder if this is why they visited LMG last week. (Linus mentioned it on WAN Show.)

 

We had a fleet of those deployed for mobile video editing workstations. They're tanks but they're serviceable and they'll take a pounding. Dell usually has illustrated service guides available for their hardware, too. There's a reason I always recommend them over HP.

I've got an m6700 and I use it for video editing when away from boarding school. M6800 from what I understand takes the 6700 and just packs a newer GPU and CPU. 

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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3 hours ago, nathanbasset said:

From what I've seen recently in the laptop space, this machine rivals desktop levels of customizability and repair not echoed by any other manufacturer. 

Lenovo, and ibm thinkpads come to mind.

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I need to get this t23 to be repaired but I have experienced working with lenovo 11e 3rd gen chromebooks they are the most easy to repair laptop I have ever seen.

Panasonic toughbooks also come to mind. 

Like @da nasaid those dell pressions we had a couple and those are also easy to repair.

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Watched the PCWorld video on the 16 earlier, then found this thread. It's not clear to me how big the laptop is. Maybe it is an optical trick due to the proportions but it looks too thin to me, combined with modularity I have to question how effective it can be at running a decent CPU and GPU. I'll await more details on what options there are but it seems the dream of a well performing customisable higher end gaming laptop isn't quite here yet.

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On 3/23/2023 at 7:49 PM, nathanbasset said:

From what I've seen recently in the laptop space, this machine rivals desktop levels of customizability and repair not echoed by any other manufacturer. 

I think people are missing the point on this, no other manufacturer is making a repairable or modular customizable laptop in the consumer laptop market. I really would've liked to see Framework make the 16 inch version a business grade laptop, although I would expect companies to stick Dell or Lenovo for contracts,service support, and their pricing discounts, so targeting the consumer market makes a lot more sense.

I like the idea of being able to buy a used Dell Latitude or Lenovo Thinkpad,  and put more ram and a SSD into it, its a lot cheaper than buying new, but even business grade laptops from Dell and Lenovo have went towards soldered on RAM, also build quality has gotten worse, unless you're willing to spend more on a Thinkpad P series.

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