NEW PSU - connectors, is the new standard an issue

[RasmusDC]

i have exchanged every single part in my pc, still have stability issues, and every part works in my sons pc so he is the happy owner of a 1080ti and 8700k, so .. i guess he won..

 

now the only thing left is the Power Supply - i have an old RM850 but from when the RM was launched ....

 

but then i was looking at new psu´s and thought it would be nice to be "future ready" still have the 3080, so have the old school 8pin x 3 + 2 on the 7950x motherboard.. 

 

but as i understand if, if as an example i buy a Dark rock 13 that has the new "12 pin" 40xx ready cable, then i might not be able to power my current setup because i lack 8 pins. and actual connectors in the PSU..

 

just a shame to be forced to buy and PSU which already looks to be obsoleted right now.  because i would like to exchange the 3080 with a 4090 at some point.

[191x7]

As far as i know, the PSU-s that come with the new "12-pin" also come with the old cables. Manufacturers wouldn't shoot their foot.

[DoctorNick]

26 minutes ago, RasmusDC said:

i have exchanged every single part in my pc, still have stability issues, and every part works in my sons pc so he is the happy owner of a 1080ti and 8700k, so .. i guess he won..

 

now the only thing left is the Power Supply - i have an old RM850 but from when the RM was launched ....

 

but then i was looking at new psu´s and thought it would be nice to be "future ready" still have the 3080, so have the old school 8pin x 3 + 2 on the 7950x motherboard.. 

 

but as i understand if, if as an example i buy a Dark rock 13 that has the new "12 pin" 40xx ready cable, then i might not be able to power my current setup because i lack 8 pins. and actual connectors in the PSU..

 

just a shame to be forced to buy and PSU which already looks to be obsoleted right now.  because i would like to exchange the 3080 with a 4090 at some point.

Not to be rude or anything, but half of what you're saying doesn't make any sense. You got a 3080, yes. Does it have the new power connector? If yes what converter does it use? If its the bad one, that can't bend without catching fire, then maybe just get another. Just to clarify CPU 8 pin EPS is different from PCI-e 6+2 pin connectors. ALso your instability issues might be ram related, considering you're using 6000mhz. Might want to check that out. Also if you got any OC or PBO enabled on the CPU, maybe test with default settings aka auto in BIOS. (you can just reset to optimized defaults/aka factory)

[Spotty]

If you're asking if new power supplies come with PCIe connectors; they do. You can check which cables come with a power supply on the product page.

For the Dark Power 13. Select the 750W, 850W, or 1000W model you are interested in and then look at technical specifications for the cables. https://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/dark-power-13/4040

Looks like they all come with 4x PCIe 6+2 connectors

[manikyath]

36 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

If its the bad one, that can't bend without catching fire

wasnt it concluded that the fire problems were pretty much all caused by people not plugging it in correctly?

 

on topic: i'd be surprised if there's any power supply out there that removed all 6+2 pin connectors for the 12+4 pin thing.. especially since neither intel nor AMD GPU's use the new plug.

 

[DoctorNick]

2 minutes ago, manikyath said:

wasnt it concluded that the fire problems were pretty much all caused by people not plugging it in correctly?

 

 

Yeah but, it was made extremely poorly, so easy to do. 

[RasmusDC]

1 hour ago, DoctorNick said:

Not to be rude or anything, but half of what you're saying doesn't make any sense. You got a 3080, yes. Does it have the new power connector? If yes what converter does it use? If its the bad one, that can't bend without catching fire, then maybe just get another. Just to clarify CPU 8 pin EPS is different from PCI-e 6+2 pin connectors. ALso your instability issues might be ram related, considering you're using 6000mhz. Might want to check that out. Also if you got any OC or PBO enabled on the CPU, maybe test with default settings aka auto in BIOS. (you can just reset to optimized defaults/aka factory)

what i am stating i need a new powersupply, i have a pc that right NOW does not need the 12pin, but the 3080 will be upgraded at some point.

 

So if i need to spend 200 dollars on a 1000watt psu to be a bit secured, then it would be nice to actually could live with 1 single cable for a new GPU instead of an inferno of 4 8pins to 1 12pin converter, and then the converter cable. 

 

So having something that actually supports the new standard, but also fully, because the REAL 12Pins does have sensing cables. 

 

that was what i said, and yes the dark rock 13 as an example has 8 pin legacy ports, but only 4 and i need 5.. so i have a problem. unless i can find a reverse 12pin to 4 8 pin connectors for the GPU. 

 

That is just it.

[Spotty]

9 hours ago, RasmusDC said:

that was what i said, and yes the dark rock 13 as an example has 8 pin legacy ports, but only 4 and i need 5.. so i have a problem. unless i can find a reverse 12pin to 4 8 pin connectors for the GPU. 

Dark power. Dark rock is a CPU cooler.

Why do you need 5x PCIe connectors?

[Mark Kaine]

12 hours ago, manikyath said:

wasnt it concluded that the fire problems were pretty much all caused by people not plugging it in correctly?

apparently you can plug it in "correctly" but it can still come lose due its own weight... 

 

they're also apparently difficult to plug in fully due to lack of feedback to begin with,  its just an awful design all around (looks terrible too)

 

[manikyath]

3 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

plug it in "correctly" but it can still come lose

when it is plugged in correctly, you can lift the entire card by the connector, and the connection between the card's connector housing and the card itself will fail before the interlock between the two connector ends.

[Mark Kaine]

13 hours ago, manikyath said:

when it is plugged in correctly, you can lift the entire card by the connector, and the connection between the card's connector housing and the card itself will fail before the interlock between the two connector ends.

this is snake oil seller tactics... besides that sounds actually worse?

Also missing the point that the plug can losen itself and become misaligned (i never said it becomes completely  lose, which would actually be better, btw) which then together with the too short contact pin can cause this overheating/ melting issue - which would be avoidable if it was designed properly with safety in mind... seems Nvidia just pushed for this design for no good reason whatsoever,  old plugs did the job just fine as far i can tell.

 

i mean as said it actually looks worse,  is impractical (even Kingpin complained!) they either should have designed it properly or make sure the old system can provide enough power with the 3x8 pins instead of going totally overboard with power consumption (*that* is the underlying issue Nvidia tried to "fix" isnt it?)

[manikyath]

21 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

this is snake oil seller tactics... besides that sounds actually worse?

it is a LOCKING conenctor, meaning when it is correclty in place, it literally cannot come loose in any other way than complete mechanical failure of the connector, or interacting with the release lever.

[mdk777]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:41 AM, RasmusDC said:

that was what i said, and yes the dark rock 13 as an example has 8 pin legacy ports, but only 4 and i need 5.. so i have a problem. unless i can find a reverse 12pin to 4 8 pin connectors for the GPU. 

https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-titanium-sf-1000f14ht-1000w/p/1HU-024C-00012?quicklink=true

 

200 $ and has 6 PCIE GPU connectors.

 

Steal at that price, I would not worry about the future cards, the installed base of PSU is huge, new cards will have converter connections if required (hopefully better than the current ones)

 

"just a shame to be forced to buy and PSU which already looks to be obsoleted right now.  because i would like to exchange the 3080 with a 4090 at some"

point.

 

 

Not current is correct, but obsolete connotes not working as well, 

The high end models today will work just as well for many many years.