Air cooler for a 5800X3D? (That’s pretty?)

[Alexsaurus Reks]

 

I’m going to upgrade from a 2700X to a 5800X3D. I’ve been using the stock wraith prism cooler and it’s been “alright” performance but it’s very pretty. Any recommendations? I’ve been looking into the “Vetroo V5 CPU Air Cooler w/ 5 Heat Pipes 120mm PWM Processor 150W TDP https://a.co/d/21EcgLL” as it’s been highly recommended across YT, (with a banger price point!) but I’m open to ideas. Thanks for any input!

[SorryBella]

14 minutes ago, Alexsaurus Reks said:

Any recommendations?

is 35$ the hard limit here? Youre pretty close to an ID-Cooling SE-226 cash there.

[Dukesilver27-]

5800X3D runs quite hot, a good single tower cooler could cool it sure, but I personally would look for dual tower coolers.

Like peerless assassin, or if you want prettier one, AG620.

[Bombastinator]

Pretty is in the eye of the beholder.  I’m liking the thermaltake peerless 120 lately.  It’s not the very best cooler on the market but it’s not all that terribly far off and it’s $35.  It beats coolers that cost twice what it does.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

 

this beast is what you want

 

 

 

[Bombastinator]

22 minutes ago, Kinda Bottlenecked said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

 

this beast is what you want

 

 

 

This applies to 7xxxX CPUs but NOT 7xxx CPUs.  So is it outdated?  Hard to say. This is a 5xxx3d though which is not a 7xxxxX, so this doesn’t really apply to the situation.

I personally don’t see much of a point to the 3D chips myself, since if you’re running at normal resolutions a 5700 will bury the highest end GPUs.  I put a peerless 120 on a 12700 (which is slightly faster than a 5700 so for gaming faster than is useful anyway) and found it was so powerful I took the fans off and ran it passive.  So 0dba.  Couldn’t break 60c set up like that.  

Edited February 1, 2023 by Bombastinator

[Vulkan HeStan]

Noctua NH-D15

[brob]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WKWzK8/deepcool-ag400-bk-argb-7589-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ag400-bkanmc-g-2

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zyNxFT/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa-120-se-argb

 

 

[sailsman63]

3 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

This applies to 7xxxX CPUs but NOT 7xxx CPUs.  So is it outdated?

"X" variants tend to have higher TDP than a non-X variant. I'm aware that TDP is not... exactly correct, but it's a comparison point. Basically, if it can handle the "X" variant, it'll handle it's little brother just fine.

 

4 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

This is a 5xxx3d though which is not a 7xxxxX, so this doesn’t really apply to the situation.

Very similar package power throughput, though, so in the same cooling ballpark. Heat dissipation is heat dissipation. The question is: does that cache layer really require more cooling? Or does it just mean that the lower processor layer stabilizes warmer than it otherwise would?

[Mark Kaine]

11 hours ago, Vulkan HeStan said:

Noctua NH-D15

they said pretty though! 

 

i have a U12S Chromax,  looks pretty sleek imo (and keeps my 3D at about 79c max... not great but still ok, and that's only during cb or video encoding anyway) 

 

 

10 hours ago, sailsman63 said:

. The question is: does that cache layer really require more cooling?

yeah. despite what the tdp says,  my 3600 used more wattage and was still slightly cooler than my 3D. The 3D only about equals out with -30 undervolt all cores. 

[Vishera]

The Thermalright Peerless Assassin is pretty good:

 

[mdk777]

15 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

This applies to 7xxxX CPUs but NOT 7xxx CPUs.  So is it outdated?  Hard to say. This is a 5xxx3d though which is not a 7xxxxX, so this doesn’t really apply to the situation.

Yeah the key is the RATE of heat dissipation, not the total amount of heat.

Direct contact coolers are excellent in this regard.

 

What you should look at is the area of the CPU that is covered by this contact.

 

Long story short, more heat pipes equals better coverage.

 

Yes, the massive tower models are overkill from a total wattage standpoint, but they are great for coverage.

Many heat pipes covering the entire lid = WIN

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, mdk777 said:

Yeah the key is the RATE of heat dissipation, not the total amount of heat.

Direct contact coolers are excellent in this regard.

 

What you should look at is the area of the CPU that is covered by this contact.

 

Long story short, more heat pipes equals better coverage.

 

Yes, the massive tower models are overkill from a total wattage standpoint, but they are great for coverage.

Many heat pipes covering the entire lid = WIN

That’s always been the case though.  A six pipe double stack tower is more-or-less a six pipe double stack tower unless the pipes themselves are garbage (which has been done) 

[Bombastinator]

12 hours ago, sailsman63 said:

"X" variants tend to have higher TDP than a non-X variant. I'm aware that TDP is not... exactly correct, but it's a comparison point. Basically, if it can handle the "X" variant, it'll handle it's little brother just fine.

 

Very similar package power throughput, though, so in the same cooling ballpark. Heat dissipation is heat dissipation. The question is: does that cache layer really require more cooling? Or does it just mean that the lower processor layer stabilizes warmer than it otherwise would?

But it doesn’t do the thing that is talked about a 5x003d is a 5x00 with extra cache stacked on top.

[Bombastinator]

12 hours ago, brob said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WKWzK8/deepcool-ag400-bk-argb-7589-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ag400-bkanmc-g-2

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zyNxFT/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa-120-se-argb

 

 

Re: deep cool ag400. That’s a 4 pipe single stack.  It’s a bit more than half the other coolers mentioned.  Might get that gigantic cfm number with a high speed fan, so lots of noise. 
 

Re: thermalright peerless 120

this seems to be the cooler folks are talking about.  Same as mine except mine isn’t black and doesn’t have rgb fans (or any fans now) 

[mdk777]

10 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

That’s always been the case though.  A six pipe double stack tower is more-or-less a six pipe double stack tower unless the pipes themselves are garbage (which has been done) 

Yes, but people will say go with 4 heat pipes because it is only a 120 watt TDP.

 

They are right that you do not need the massive cooling potential of the  250 watt cooler, but the 6 heat pipe contact area is important....esp. when we are talking about these new chiplet and cache design chips...total cooling is important, but cooling coverage directly over the actual chip and not just the lid is also important.

 

The same has been seen in AIO coolers that have a surface area smaller than the lid of some of the massive chips.

 

We are talking minutia of design elements.

But BEST IS BEST

 

 

[Bombastinator]

I might go with 5.  The assassin king or the fuma for example.  They’re both more expensive than the peerless 120 though so I don’t see the point of them unless for whatever reason you need the narrower profile. So the peerless still wins.  Overkill doesn’t hurt.  It’s just wasted space and money.  The case of the peerless though it’s just space, and space that wasn’t getting used for something else anyway.  It’s the runaway bang/buck winner no matter which way you slice it.  What I don’t get is why it’s so cheap.  May be a loss leader/marketshare move.

Edited February 1, 2023 by Bombastinator

[mdk777]

29 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

 What I don’t get is why it’s so cheap.

most likely the quality of the fans rather than the heat pipes.

There is a pretty big delta in the cost of a high quality fan vs one that simply runs.

 

2x $20 bill of material fans = $40

2x $2 bill of material fan = $4

 

But yeah, a great deal may be reputation on margin.

Thermalright made some real garbage (in my experience and opinion) in past years.

Perhaps they have that barrier of negative expectation to overcome.

 

I've seen it before...someone makes average or below average products....when they have a real winner, it takes awhile for consumers to be willing to pay for it.

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by mdk777

[Bombastinator]

36 minutes ago, mdk777 said:

most likely the quality of the fans rather than the heat pipes.

There is a pretty big delta in the cost of a high quality fan vs one that simply runs.

 

2x $20 bill of material fans = $40

2x $2 bill of material fan = $4

 

But yeah, a great deal may be reputation on margin.

Thermalright made some real garbage (in my experience and opinion) in past years.

Perhaps they have that barrier of negative expectation to overcome.

 

I've seen it before...someone makes average or below average products....when they have a real winner, it takes awhile for consumers to be willing to pay for it.

 

The things that BOM would affect is rigidity and smoothness, both of which are important.  With a more rigid and smooth material there can be a more aggressive blade profile at a given noise level. 
I took the fans off though because the thing was so powerful so it’s a weakness I’m not experiencing.