Building a Windows XP PC

[KT7000]

Along with the PC I currently have, I'll be building a second PC for video-capturing SD analog media like VHS, Laserdisc, etc. So far, these are the specs I'll be working with

 

OS: Windows XP Pro SP2
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7600
Motherboard: ASRock 775i65G R3.0
HDD: Seagate BarraCuda 3.5" 2TB
Graphics Card: ATI All in Wonder 9800 Pro
Sound Card: Turtle Beach Santa Cruz 

 

WinXP is the best OS to use for the AIW 9800 which is why I'm I"ll be building a system around it. The only thing left is to choose the PSU, RAM, and Case. From what I understand, a modern make/model will work for each one, so for the PSU, I'm looking at an 80+ Titanium with a low wattage for a reasonable price of under $200.

 

For the RAM, since the MB only allows up to DDR400 and 2GB memory, I'm currently not sure which one to go with.

 

The case that I end up using will have to be a good one made from material that's best at dissipating heat, so mainly aluminum. When choosing a case based on fan options, is it better to have two 120mm fans on one side than one 140mm?

 

Also, what's considered a good positive airflow? I know for the top of the PC Case, it's best to have a fan blowing heat out, but which sides should have cool air blown inward?

[SimplyChunk]

Good resource for you

 

 

[BobVonBob]

This is a joke, right?

 

Aluminum case for heat dissipation? The case itself dissipates basically zero heat, heat leaves through the exhaust air.

 

$200 80+ titanium PSU for a computer that will maybe scratch 100 watts? Never mind that not a single 80+ titanium PSU has MOLEX power for your GPU.

 

Debating how many 120mm vs 140mm fans you need? I guarantee these components were crammed in a case with a single 92mm fan in 2003. The stock fans in any modern case are way more than enough airflow. You could put this computer in a sealed cardboard box and it would take half an hour for anything to throttle.

[Takumidesh]

22 hours ago, BobVonBob said:

Aluminum case for heat dissipation? The case itself dissipates basically zero heat, heat leaves through the exhaust air.

I am going to be extremely pedantic here. But in my work we use industrial Solid state PCs that are completely passively cooled, they use large thermal pads on the heat sinks to thermally couple them to the case and the cases themselves act as large heat sinks. No fans, no exhaust. The PC itself is mounted inside a control cabinet with 0 airflow and air stratification out the wazoo.
example
 

[BobVonBob]

15 hours ago, Takumidesh said:

I am going to be extremely pedantic here. But in my work we use industrial Solid state PCs that are completely passively cooled, they use large thermal pads on the heat sinks to thermally couple them to the case and the cases themselves act as large heat sinks. No fans, no exhaust. The PC itself is mounted inside a control cabinet with 0 airflow and air stratification out the wazoo.
example
 

Technically correct while being largely irrelevant to the conversation. Beautiful execution, 10/10 internet pedantry.

 

Correction:

 

In an actively cooled computer almost all heat leaves through the exhaust air. The case itself has a negligible effect on heat dissipation.

[KT7000]

On 12/13/2022 at 5:28 PM, BobVonBob said:

$200 80+ titanium PSU for a computer that will maybe scratch 100 watts? Never mind that not a single 80+ titanium PSU has MOLEX power for your GPU.

 

Ok, then which make/model PSU should I be looking at?

[8tg]

I’m all about this stuff.

The board you chose won’t support a core2duo, it caps out at Pentium 4/D’s.

Youll need to either change out the board or go with a P4.

Which would pair better with the gpu you chose, as a c2d would’ve been paired with either G80/92 or other similar cards a generation or two into pci express being common.

Either swap to a P4, or swap the board and gpu to something later.

A good psu never hurts, though for older systems that’s probably a bit overkill. In some ways you’d want a lower end modern psu as they have more 5v and 3.3v which older systems use more. Modern psus focus 12v.

 

[8tg]

1 hour ago, KT7000 said:

Ok, then which make/model PSU should I be looking at?

Modern low end, thermaltake smart series comes to mind.

pre haswell era design will have the extra 5/3.3v and have connectors for an older system, molex and floppy connectors.

[BondiBlue]

1 hour ago, 8tg said:

The board you chose won’t support a core2duo, it caps out at Pentium 4/D’s.

Youll need to either change out the board or go with a P4.

Which would pair better with the gpu you chose, as a c2d would’ve been paired with either G80/92 or other similar cards a generation or two into pci express being common.

The ASRock board they listed most definitely does support Core 2 Duo CPUs. According to the official CPU support list it even supports a few Core 2 Quads and Extremes. It's a weird board from 2012. LGA 775, but it has AGP and uses DDR memory instead of PCIe and DDR2 or DDR3. Seems like a nice little board to me. 

[CerealExperimentsLain]

1 hour ago, 8tg said:

The board you chose won’t support a core2duo, it caps out at Pentium 4/D’s.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/775i65g r3.0/#CPU

Well, Asrock disagrees and says it supports a bunch of C2D CPUs.  But what would they know about it, right?

[CerealExperimentsLain]

12 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

The ASRock board they listed most definitely does support Core 2 Duo CPUs. According to the official CPU support list it even supports a few Core 2 Quads and Extremes. It's a weird board from 2012. LGA 775, but it has AGP and uses DDR memory instead of PCIe and DDR2 or DDR3. Seems like a nice little board to me. 

It's a great little board for retro computing.  Not only does it give you AGP while allowing modernish 775 CPUs, it works with modern 12v heavy PSUs and it has a great trick up it's sleeve: The SATA Ports can be swapped into the IDE ports.  I'm running one for my Windows ME retro PC, I'm using a 120GB SSD on SATA, it's connected to the board without a special adaptor, but the BIOS is set to tell the OS that that SATA drive is an IDE drive as Master on Channel 1.  Windows 9X 'just works' with the SSD in this configuration, no need for SATA controller drivers or anything.

 

I love this board.

 

You can also fit modern Noctua coolers to it.

[8tg]

2 hours ago, BondiBlue said:

The ASRock board they listed most definitely does support Core 2 Duo CPUs. According to the official CPU support list it even supports a few Core 2 Quads and Extremes. It's a weird board from 2012. LGA 775, but it has AGP and uses DDR memory instead of PCIe and DDR2 or DDR3. Seems like a nice little board to me. 

Ah, my mistake. I just looked up the chipset. Must be a dual chipset board.

Definitely an odd configuration for how late it is, it’s even past the transitional era boards if it’s from 2012.

 

still an odd setup though, for something like that in xp I’d be looking at later agp like a 7800GS or something 

[8tg]

You can see my mistake here 

 

Regardless my stance on the psu stands, you’ll want molex and a floppy power connector as a lot of old accessories use that tiny 4 pin as well 

Modern high end psus aren’t great for that, modern low end is.

[BondiBlue]

27 minutes ago, 8tg said:

Definitely an odd configuration for how late it is, it’s even past the transitional era boards if it’s from 2012.

 

still an odd setup though, for something like that in xp I’d be looking at later agp like a 7800GS or something 

Yeah, it's really strange. I would have expected such a late 775 board to use at least DDR2, but this one just uses DDR. Seems like a decent board though. And yes, I agree about the GPU. Seems like an odd pairing. 

[Needfuldoer]

On 12/13/2022 at 4:30 PM, KT7000 said:

Along with the PC I currently have, I'll be building a second PC for video-capturing SD analog media like VHS, Laserdisc, etc.

I think you'd be better off buying better equipment, rather than another PC. Get a frame sync with a good comb filter, procamp, and time base corrector, like a Leitch DPS-475 or DPS-575. They should be inexpensive since nobody wants SD gear anymore. (HD frame syncs like the Teranex line, Leitch X75, and AJA FS1 are still expensive on the secondhand market.) You can pipe its SDI output into something like a BlackMagic DeckLink card.

[KT7000]

22 hours ago, 8tg said:

Modern low end, thermaltake smart series comes to mind.

pre haswell era design will have the extra 5/3.3v and have connectors for an older system, molex and floppy connectors.

I asked the same question in another forum and got these responses 

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/how-do-i-know-which-psu-is-needed-for-the-motherboard.3788739/

18 hours ago, BondiBlue said:

 

 

11 hours ago, Needfuldoer said:

I think you'd be better off buying better equipment, rather than another PC. Get a frame sync with a good comb filter, procamp, and time base corrector, like a Leitch DPS-475 or DPS-575. They should be inexpensive since nobody wants SD gear anymore. (HD frame syncs like the Teranex line, Leitch X75, and AJA FS1 are still expensive on the secondhand market.) You can pipe its SDI output into something like a BlackMagic DeckLink card.

I already have a TBC (a Datavideo TBC-1000 and a Cypress CTB-100) and all the features from a procamp are best done during post-processing, so I don't think I'll need one.

 

What exactly do you mean by "frame sync with a good comb filter"?

[Needfuldoer]

Just now, KT7000 said:

What exactly do you mean by "frame sync with a good comb filter"?

A comb filter will help reduce artifacts like chroma dot crawl and the shimmering rainbow moiré effect.

 

http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/793698/TT201 - 4918.pdf

[KT7000]

25 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

A comb filter will help reduce artifacts like chroma dot crawl and the shimmering rainbow moiré effect.

 

http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/793698/TT201 - 4918.pdf

The ATI AIW 9800 already has a natural comb filter.

[NF-A12x25]

On 12/13/2022 at 4:30 PM, KT7000 said:

The case that I end up using will have to be a good one made from material that's best at dissipating heat, so mainly aluminum.

lol. lmao.

[8tg]

17 minutes ago, NF-A12x25 said:

lol. lmao.

This actually does more than you’d think

old systems with limited airflow as stuff wasn’t that hot yet generally soaked heat

as in it would just circulate in the case and get progressively hotter

not enough to cause any problems if it went unchecked outside of rare scenarios, but all aluminum cases do actually help with that as they disperse a lot of heat through the case, keeping the internal temperatures a bit cooler

 

now still a very minor thing, and after case introduction of that era briefly, people stopped caring, but the idea is based in truth 

[thrasher_565]

23 hours ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

It's a great little board for retro computing.  Not only does it give you AGP while allowing modernish 775 CPUs, it works with modern 12v heavy PSUs and it has a great trick up it's sleeve: The SATA Ports can be swapped into the IDE ports.  I'm running one for my Windows ME retro PC, I'm using a 120GB SSD on SATA, it's connected to the board without a special adaptor, but the BIOS is set to tell the OS that that SATA drive is an IDE drive as Master on Channel 1.  Windows 9X 'just works' with the SSD in this configuration, no need for SATA controller drivers or anything.

 

I love this board.

 

You can also fit modern Noctua coolers to it.

you could...but cant buy the 775 mount any more...

[KT7000]

Ok, I was able to narrow my choices down to these make/models 

 

Cooler Master V550 SFX GOLD
Corsair SF450 Gold
Fractal Design Ion SFX-L 500W Gold
Seasonic SGX-500
Silverstone NJ450-SXL

[SimplyChunk]

one thing to check is if the 24 pin has the detachable 4 pin still.  I know on my corsair psu it doesn't it's a solid 24 pin.  luckily i had some space around the 20 pin on the 775 board i used it on 

[CerealExperimentsLain]

On 12/16/2022 at 10:11 PM, thrasher_565 said:

you could...but cant buy the 775 mount any more...

Wow, glad I got my adaptor kit when I did then.

[thrasher_565]

2 hours ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

Wow, glad I got my adaptor kit when I did then.

ya the be quiet! Dark Rock Tf is the best 775 cooler you can get if you can still find it for $200...