should i buy this? HELP

[jaslion]

14 minutes ago, Menotyou said:

ok, what will you recommend for £400?

Ive seen ryzen 3600 systems with rx580's go for that.

 

Thats a couple years old mid range gaming system with currently relevant hardware.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284897883615?hash=item42553cb5df:g:PvMAAOSwz91i0bAF&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoHILuMGrNthROCIc3eYEtQ1OSh2Ih868BcJqOg8QtJn147xbq2th%2FJGEv%2BZ%2FbxruUt0aNYsVkIG4hylcF3BpJrPb1rZYzF%2FdIpo1wtSFpuNnlJqKp5lKHNH11CCy%2B9ZY0N0muoOaYWIJqEN4ilTDFvNHm186xJl1D1ASC%2Fdk5cEuVQzDaBYhgiYNt%2FnoS5394FM7B5A0rbR6g2QEZBx%2FLPQ%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR_zL48-fYQ

 

3600x gtx 1650. Try a 50 pounds lower offer first

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255864876653?hash=item3b92bc2e6d:g:GUAAAOSwr85jjxk4&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoBy3%2BpPW47p5eE4dkkQv41esL55PD2umMRBn0Mq5tY9n%2BGdFZTR8yFOllZkGBe8O%2FD3AJcm7HHznbXStAOHaHUwqIhZYPylaLswKD7aBTXoZ4KhWeYa4VO%2BIP6vd9kcLVKeZMm8sDp7pITH3d8pM5Y%2Bg7eSCNK1l4Wb8%2BXCb3I%2B04rAsbqGThyL3eeXH3RkdM2z7iuAGVEaR%2Bgscv4fAPGc%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR_7L48-fYQ

 

Shit airflow and not as upgradeable but better

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204179232461?hash=item2f8a07d6cd:g:cAoAAOSwFpxjkbsq&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAkC88DR79Erchx%2FJ2P6VoHT8zyAyYuA0OCPpuVnSRtyV8yEyV2fe1e%2Bl3v%2Fry16xdhn14%2BOHWawe7Sw1Y7eyFmGx0yj487H%2B9wmIO1FXjn7d08zAixohCW7UJeHu8tv3tnFQY2nfEPXUdI0rbxnVeEbqEVslThPoFoZmu0%2F1uOYQ%2FMwLA6wKlxhr%2BPRfoYCNpDQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6KF_M-fYQ

 

Can give 400 a shot

 

Can try for local classifieds too

 

[Menotyou]

17 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Ive seen ryzen 3600 systems with rx580's go for that.

 

Thats a couple years old mid range gaming system with currently relevant hardware.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284897883615?hash=item42553cb5df:g:PvMAAOSwz91i0bAF&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoHILuMGrNthROCIc3eYEtQ1OSh2Ih868BcJqOg8QtJn147xbq2th%2FJGEv%2BZ%2FbxruUt0aNYsVkIG4hylcF3BpJrPb1rZYzF%2FdIpo1wtSFpuNnlJqKp5lKHNH11CCy%2B9ZY0N0muoOaYWIJqEN4ilTDFvNHm186xJl1D1ASC%2Fdk5cEuVQzDaBYhgiYNt%2FnoS5394FM7B5A0rbR6g2QEZBx%2FLPQ%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR_zL48-fYQ

 

3600x gtx 1650. Try a 50 pounds lower offer first

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255864876653?hash=item3b92bc2e6d:g:GUAAAOSwr85jjxk4&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoBy3%2BpPW47p5eE4dkkQv41esL55PD2umMRBn0Mq5tY9n%2BGdFZTR8yFOllZkGBe8O%2FD3AJcm7HHznbXStAOHaHUwqIhZYPylaLswKD7aBTXoZ4KhWeYa4VO%2BIP6vd9kcLVKeZMm8sDp7pITH3d8pM5Y%2Bg7eSCNK1l4Wb8%2BXCb3I%2B04rAsbqGThyL3eeXH3RkdM2z7iuAGVEaR%2Bgscv4fAPGc%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR_7L48-fYQ

 

Shit airflow and not as upgradeable but better

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204179232461?hash=item2f8a07d6cd:g:cAoAAOSwFpxjkbsq&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAkC88DR79Erchx%2FJ2P6VoHT8zyAyYuA0OCPpuVnSRtyV8yEyV2fe1e%2Bl3v%2Fry16xdhn14%2BOHWawe7Sw1Y7eyFmGx0yj487H%2B9wmIO1FXjn7d08zAixohCW7UJeHu8tv3tnFQY2nfEPXUdI0rbxnVeEbqEVslThPoFoZmu0%2F1uOYQ%2FMwLA6wKlxhr%2BPRfoYCNpDQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6KF_M-fYQ

 

Can give 400 a shot

 

Can try for local classifieds too

 

out off all of them which one is the most powerful and good value?

[Menotyou]

19 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Ive seen ryzen 3600 systems with rx580's go for that.

 

Thats a couple years old mid range gaming system with currently relevant hardware.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284897883615?hash=item42553cb5df:g:PvMAAOSwz91i0bAF&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoHILuMGrNthROCIc3eYEtQ1OSh2Ih868BcJqOg8QtJn147xbq2th%2FJGEv%2BZ%2FbxruUt0aNYsVkIG4hylcF3BpJrPb1rZYzF%2FdIpo1wtSFpuNnlJqKp5lKHNH11CCy%2B9ZY0N0muoOaYWIJqEN4ilTDFvNHm186xJl1D1ASC%2Fdk5cEuVQzDaBYhgiYNt%2FnoS5394FM7B5A0rbR6g2QEZBx%2FLPQ%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR_zL48-fYQ

 

3600x gtx 1650. Try a 50 pounds lower offer first

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255864876653?hash=item3b92bc2e6d:g:GUAAAOSwr85jjxk4&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoBy3%2BpPW47p5eE4dkkQv41esL55PD2umMRBn0Mq5tY9n%2BGdFZTR8yFOllZkGBe8O%2FD3AJcm7HHznbXStAOHaHUwqIhZYPylaLswKD7aBTXoZ4KhWeYa4VO%2BIP6vd9kcLVKeZMm8sDp7pITH3d8pM5Y%2Bg7eSCNK1l4Wb8%2BXCb3I%2B04rAsbqGThyL3eeXH3RkdM2z7iuAGVEaR%2Bgscv4fAPGc%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR_7L48-fYQ

 

Shit airflow and not as upgradeable but better

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204179232461?hash=item2f8a07d6cd:g:cAoAAOSwFpxjkbsq&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAkC88DR79Erchx%2FJ2P6VoHT8zyAyYuA0OCPpuVnSRtyV8yEyV2fe1e%2Bl3v%2Fry16xdhn14%2BOHWawe7Sw1Y7eyFmGx0yj487H%2B9wmIO1FXjn7d08zAixohCW7UJeHu8tv3tnFQY2nfEPXUdI0rbxnVeEbqEVslThPoFoZmu0%2F1uOYQ%2FMwLA6wKlxhr%2BPRfoYCNpDQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6KF_M-fYQ

 

Can give 400 a shot

 

Can try for local classifieds too

 

what about this one?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394368696399?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D243013%26meid%3D7a905e61d68e49df91d8d79e8fe7c048%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D204179232461%26itm%3D394368696399%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuAspectsV202110NoVariantSeedKnnRecallV1%26brand%3DIntel&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A3943686963997a905e61d68e49df91d8d79e8fe7c048|enc%3AAQAHAAABIMFr2e4EmAnM%2ByHZkULYKDIJ4L66fOjNL0iupgt%2BzO1%2F3AE1t3mNirUYB96NktMCicMagiS6mbeTl0xquGODv9lpaLel49W%2FH%2FAbBktGDK3FnCKxw%2Bksx9%2FEcCZva8whSchV3eaMTRX4uqeyb5cVOY%2B2kFJyq2iAxz8riYukoLrW%2FBCuN0ion7qpgur4LGU7V95GkxmA3HTge%2Bzz9rrE7OI4TL6GyOO6tHHmQ%2F8tdPRH%2BdQzNDH%2FYJ1NTQcu2Elt4jHYrgVP3oUWGpt53B52yHssKmyEYJUOjXVX3sxitCyg134%2Bo4hn0rA0wuWd8udkDt8xRAh%2FHTMZ1wCyH2fqaJuY7Kf8mbk%2BcxUg2N2PHhOweFGjg6fs6S3UJd6XdHQhMw%3D%3D|ampid%3APLX_CLK|clp%3A2047675&shqty=1&isGTR=1#shId

[jaslion]

2 hours ago, Menotyou said:

what about this one?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394368696399?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D243013%26meid%3D7a905e61d68e49df91d8d79e8fe7c048%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D204179232461%26itm%3D394368696399%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuAspectsV202110NoVariantSeedKnnRecallV1%26brand%3DIntel&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A3943686963997a905e61d68e49df91d8d79e8fe7c048|enc%3AAQAHAAABIMFr2e4EmAnM%2ByHZkULYKDIJ4L66fOjNL0iupgt%2BzO1%2F3AE1t3mNirUYB96NktMCicMagiS6mbeTl0xquGODv9lpaLel49W%2FH%2FAbBktGDK3FnCKxw%2Bksx9%2FEcCZva8whSchV3eaMTRX4uqeyb5cVOY%2B2kFJyq2iAxz8riYukoLrW%2FBCuN0ion7qpgur4LGU7V95GkxmA3HTge%2Bzz9rrE7OI4TL6GyOO6tHHmQ%2F8tdPRH%2BdQzNDH%2FYJ1NTQcu2Elt4jHYrgVP3oUWGpt53B52yHssKmyEYJUOjXVX3sxitCyg134%2Bo4hn0rA0wuWd8udkDt8xRAh%2FHTMZ1wCyH2fqaJuY7Kf8mbk%2BcxUg2N2PHhOweFGjg6fs6S3UJd6XdHQhMw%3D%3D|ampid%3APLX_CLK|clp%3A2047675&shqty=1&isGTR=1#shId

Absolutly awfull.

 

12 year old cpu dont get it.

[Menotyou]

them im going to get this one, is it okay?https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204179232461

[DarkAcid1212]

3 hours ago, Menotyou said:

ok, what will you recommend for £400?

A prebuild with at least 7-8gen cpu, ddr4 at least dual channel, psu750-850 with an ssd, 20dollar psu.
Entry Level AMD Gaming Build - PCPartPicker
Budget Home/Office Build - PCPartPicker

[Middcore]

1 hour ago, Menotyou said:

them im going to get this one, is it okay?https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204179232461

That's an auction with active bids and 4 days to go. No way to tell what the final price will be.

[Menotyou]

true

[Menotyou]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9Kkczf

is there anyway to make this cheaper without effecting performance? like buying a second hand part?

[Middcore]

22 minutes ago, Menotyou said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9Kkczf

is there anyway to make this cheaper without effecting performance? like buying a second hand part?

That video card is useless. You can't game on this.

 

You don't need a Z590 board for a locked CPU.

 

That cooler doesn't look any better than the stock one.

 

Don't build a PC in 2022 without an SSD.

 

You don't need to spend 110 on Windows. 

[Menotyou]

38 minutes ago, Middcore said:

That video card is useless. You can't game on this.

 

You don't need a Z590 board for a locked CPU.

 

That cooler doesn't look any better than the stock one.

 

Don't build a PC in 2022 without an SSD.

 

You don't need to spend 110 on Windows. 

what should i do then???????? which parts should i pick and delete? i can spend a max of £400 right now.

[Needfuldoer]

1 hour ago, Menotyou said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9Kkczf

is there anyway to make this cheaper without effecting performance? like buying a second hand part?

Honestly, I wouldn't buy that as a gaming PC. Those parts are all outdated to very old, and frankly paying that much for a GT 730 is criminal. I also don't trust no-name power supplies. Budget builds are about spending wisely, not just buying whatever's the cheapest.

 

Here's what I'd do for a midrange starter machine around the same price point:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GLLrsL

 

Spoiler

 

The CPU has built-in graphics that are far better than the GT 730. That should get you acceptable at medium to low settings on most recent games. The power supply is overkill for the PC as it sits now, but it has plenty of extra capacity so you can add a graphics card in the future without replacing it. There's less storage, but it's an NVMe SSD instead of the slowest class of mechanical hard drive.

 

You could make this cheaper? Of course, but you'll have to start making some compromises. You could get a lesser power supply now, but you'll have to buy a better one if you add a GPU later. You could go secondhand for your storage, but you'd better keep backups of anything important. You could scour Facebook Marketplace for some Side Of The Road Edition parts, but you'll have to take your pick of whatever happens to be available.

 

Here's the same build, but with a Cooler Master 450 watt power supply:

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/xxv6gb

 

I could've cut more out of the storage, but the returns just weren't worth it.

 

I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than this with new parts. There are plenty of Xeon v3 and v4 workstations on eBay right now for less, and they'll game for a while, but the Ryzen 5 5600G is about 50% faster per thread than a Xeon E5-1650 v3 (which has the same number of cores).

[Menotyou]

33 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

Honestly, I wouldn't buy that as a gaming PC. Those parts are all outdated to very old, and paying that much for a GT 730 is criminal. I also don't trust no-name power supplies.

 

Here's what I'd do for a midrange starter machine around the same price point:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GLLrsL

 

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The CPU has built-in graphics that are far better than the GT 730. That should get you acceptable at medium to low settings on most recent games. The power supply is overkill for the PC as it sits now, but it has plenty of extra capacity so you can add a graphics card in the future without replacing it. There's less storage, but it's an NVMe SSD instead of the slowest class of mechanical hard drive.

 

You could make this cheaper? Of course, but you'll have to start making some compromises. You could get a lesser power supply now, but you'll have to buy a better one if you add a GPU later. You could go secondhand for your storage, but you'd better keep backups of anything important. You could scour Facebook Marketplace for some Side Of The Road Edition parts, but you'll have to take your pick of whatever happens to be available.

is this any good?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/mjV3nt

should i buy some part second hand? if yes which ones

[Needfuldoer]

28 minutes ago, Menotyou said:

is this a problem?

That just says the board might need a BIOS update to support the CPU. Most manufacturers keep the BIOS on shipping boards up to date, and the 5600G's been around for a while, so unless you get a board that's been collecting dust on a shelf for over a year it should just work. Even if it doesn't, that board can update its BIOS off a specially-formatted USB flash drive without installing a previous-gen CPU that's compatible out of the box.

 

I highly recommend you do some more homework before jumping into building your own gaming PC. Watch some more videos, read these forums a bunch. Get a better handle on what you're getting into, then start parts shopping.

 

28 minutes ago, Menotyou said:

is this any good?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/mjV3nt

should i buy some part second hand? if yes which ones

I've never heard of GameMax, so I'm just going to assume their stuff is untrustworthy rubbish.

 

You can buy basically any PC part used, with the massive caveat that you have to know what you're looking at and what to watch out for. I buy used name brand SSDs all the time, they're usually just fine. I didn't find any name brand 500 gig SSDs on ebay.co.uk that were appreciably cheaper than the one I put in that PC Part Picker list, though. Maybe you can get lucky and find a used Ryzen 5600G from someone who upgraded. The used market is a fickle thing.

 

If you go the "used workstation with a GPU" approach, you won't have to buy a copy of WIndows and you know the parts will be compatible. The problem is, the PC won't be able to keep up as long because it's already 5+ years old by the time you get it.

 

[Menotyou]

Do i need anything else?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nYpbzf

[podkall]

@Spotty

 

you don't need thermal paste if the CPU comes with stock cooler.., the stock cooler already has paste on it

 

that PSU is F tier, PSUs with: "heavily malfunctioning protections, QC issues or design flaws leading to widespread malfunctions / DoAs"

[Menotyou]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

@Spotty

 

you don't need thermal paste if the CPU comes with stock cooler.., the stock cooler already has paste on it

 

that PSU is F tier, PSUs with: "heavily malfunctioning protections, QC issues or design flaws leading to widespread malfunctions / DoAs"

what is a psu?

[podkall]

1 minute ago, Menotyou said:

what is a psu?

Power Supply

[Menotyou]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

Power Supply

which one should i get since im on a tight budget 

[PDifolco]

22 minutes ago, Menotyou said:

Do i need anything else?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nYpbzf

 A 5600G won't perform very well in games, it's only performing as a 1030 (or even worse)

You'd better going with a cheap 5500 CPU and even a rx6400 GPU (which is shit but yet much better)

M2 NVme instead of SATA

Also your PSU is crap and dangerous, get anything else instead

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£98.50 @ Technextday) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H V2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£64.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£46.50 @ Ebuyer) 
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£39.77 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: MSI AERO ITX Radeon RX 6400 4 GB Video Card  (£129.00 @ CCL Computers) 
Case: GameMax Centauri MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£25.71 @ Box Limited) 
Power Supply: be quiet! System Power 10 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£57.44 @ Technextday) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  (£106.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Total: £568.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-11 14:27 GMT+0000

 

 

[Needfuldoer]

32 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

A 5600G won't perform very well in games, it's only performing as a 1030 (or even worse)

You'd better going with a cheap 5500 CPU and even a rx6400 GPU (which is shit but yet much better)

That's the machine I specced out above (but with a better power supply, better SSD, and no redundant thermal paste).

 

I picked the 5600G to tide OP over without a dedicated GPU until they could afford something much better, like a 1650, 3060, or RX 6700. That way they don't have to spend money than necessary on a low end GPU they might be disappointed with long-term.

[PDifolco]

12 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

That's the machine I specced out above (but with a better power supply, better SSD, and no redundant thermal paste).

 

I picked the 5600G to tide OP over without a dedicated GPU until they could afford something much better, like a 1650, 3060, or RX 6700. That way they don't have to spend money than necessary on a low end GPU they might be disappointed with long-term.

The 5400XT is on par with a 1650, OP needs to get a 6600 or better to see a real difference

And still way better than the 5600G iGPU

[Menotyou]

so is this fine?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/n73bzf

i dont want it to be too expensive cuz im gonna upgrade in the future.

[podkall]

actually @PDifolco 1030 gets destroyed by 5600G, the Vega graphics on it can outperform GTX 1050 in some games..

[PDifolco]

26 minutes ago, Menotyou said:

so this?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/n73bzf

i dont want it to be too expensive cuz im gonna upgrade in the future.

The PSU is ok

Why a sound card ? The board has a decent one, and you're on a tight budget

Still no GPU so don't expect much until you get one, but it's ok for the price