Latest Motherboard that still has a PCI Slot

[vformula00]

Can anyone suggest any latest motherboard that still has a PCI slot on-board?

[Applefreak]

2 minutes ago, vformula00 said:

Can anyone suggest any latest motherboard that still has a PCI slot on-board?

For which platform?

[vformula00]

3 minutes ago, Applefreak said:

For which platform?

Any, Intel or AMD.

[Applefreak]

Intel 1700: 

 

ASUS Pro H610M-C-CSM

 

AMD AM4:

 

ASUS Pro A520M-C/CSM

ASUS Pro B550M-C/CSM

 

There should also be others by Tyan and Supermicro

 

What do you need an old 32 Bit PCI slot for? 

There are adapters for PCI-e to old PCI

[manikyath]

what for?

 

back in haswell era (core i* 4000 stuff) you still had the occasional pci slot.

 

but that said.. there are pcie 1x to pci risers. in theory that should do the trick on any platform.

[vformula00]

2 minutes ago, Applefreak said:

Intel 1700: 

 

ASUS Pro H610M-C-CSM

 

AMD AM4:

 

ASUS Pro A520M-C/CSM

ASUS Pro B550M-C/CSM

 

There should also be others by Tyan and Supermicro

 

What do you need an old 32 Bit PCI slot for? 

There are adapters for PCI-e to old PCI

Thank you. I did try a PCI adapter but it didn't work, or perhaps it was my PCI card that failed.

Out of what you have suggested is there any that supports ECC RAM of any sort that you know beside server-grade motherboard? 

[Applefreak]

1 minute ago, vformula00 said:

Thank you. I did try a PCI adapter but it didn't work, or perhaps it was my PCI card that failed.

Out of what you have suggested is there any that supports ECC RAM of any sort that you know beside server-grade motherboard? 

Can you tell us a bit more what you are trying to create here and what components are involved?

[ninjitsu]

There's literally a search tool at newegg to search for your criteria. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-rack-c236-ws-intel-xeon-e3-1200-v5-v6-series-processors-bios-version-2-0-or-above-is-requi/p/N82E16813599008?quicklink=true

[vformula00]

5 minutes ago, ninjitsu said:

There's literally a search tool at newegg to search for your criteria. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-rack-c236-ws-intel-xeon-e3-1200-v5-v6-series-processors-bios-version-2-0-or-above-is-requi/p/N82E16813599008?quicklink=true

Nice suggestion thanks.

[vformula00]

25 minutes ago, Applefreak said:

Can you tell us a bit more what you are trying to create here and what components are involved?

I am trying to get my old sound card to run.

[mariushm]

If you are looking for boards with native PCI (pci controller in chipset), you have to look at older chipsets.

New boards use  pci-e to pci bridge chips or pci-e x1 to pci controllers which are not always 100% pci, backwards compatible, all that jazz.

 

Socket AM3+ is probably the last from AMD to have native PCI. Maybe something with socket FM2 or something like that could be newer, but AM3+ for sure has native PCI.

 

On Intel .... I honestly don't know when they cut PCI out, but I suspect it's around LGA1366  ... Wikipedia says X58 + ICH10R had PCI support ... before that some chipsets had PCI enabled, others didn't have it .. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#5/6/7/8/9_Series_chipsets

 

 

1 minute ago, vformula00 said:

I am trying to get my old sound card to run.

Even if you get a pci-e x1 to pci card, you'll still have the issue of no drivers for Windows 10 or  Windows 11  your card may not work.

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, vformula00 said:

I am trying to get my old sound card to run.

The onboard audio for any decent board will likely be better than your old sound card + there's likely no drivers for anything modern. I'd personally use it in a retro build.

[vformula00]

Just now, FakeKGB said:

The onboard audio for any decent board will likely be better than your old sound card + there's likely no drivers for anything modern. I'd personally use it in a retro build.

With anything audio related technology, newer does not necessarily always mean better.

[vformula00]

3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

If you are looking for boards with native PCI (pci controller in chipset), you have to look at older chipsets.

New boards use  pci-e to pci bridge chips or pci-e x1 to pci controllers which are not always 100% pci, backwards compatible, all that jazz.

 

Socket AM3+ is probably the last from AMD to have native PCI. Maybe something with socket FM2 or something like that could be newer, but AM3+ for sure has native PCI.

 

On Intel .... I honestly don't know when they cut PCI out, but I suspect it's around LGA1366  ... Wikipedia says X58 + ICH10R had PCI support ... before that some chipsets had PCI enabled, others didn't have it .. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#5/6/7/8/9_Series_chipsets

 

 

Even if you get a pci-e x1 to pci card, you'll still have the issue of no drivers for Windows 10 or  Windows 11  your card may not work.

Thanks. I will look into it.

[Beerzerker]

19 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

The onboard audio for any decent board will likely be better than your old sound card + there's likely no drivers for anything modern. I'd personally use it in a retro build.

I did the same for the same reasons and the "Old" card sounds much better than the onboard sound I had across several different boards, higher tier'ed models no less.

The latest for AM3+ for example is either a Crosshair V (Non Z) or a Sabertooth 2.0, a Sabertooth being what's in this one now with my old card.
The card in question (Sound Blaster Live 24 bit / SB 0410) works with Linux which is something my newer card doesn't do (Sound Blaster Z) and why I did the setup as I have it now.
It's louder, has better overall sound quality and It's just better than anything I've got here with onboard sound period.
Since it works with Linux I decided to make use of it and glad I did.

[WhitetailAni]

15 minutes ago, vformula00 said:

With anything audio related technology, newer does not necessarily always mean better.

I did not say it was better because it was newer. I simply said it would likely be better.

 

That's my experience, anyway. Audio taste is basically as subjective as it gets

[Beerzerker]

9 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

I did not say it was better because it was newer. I simply said it would likely be better.

 

That's my experience, anyway. Audio taste is basically as subjective as it gets

Have to agree, when it comes down to it the ear of the beholder is what matters.
One thing that can make a real difference are the speakers/headphones used too. If you get a really cheap set/pair of those it's gonna sound like crap no matter what you do.
Good speakers/headphones can and do make the difference in many cases - I'd get a good quality speakers/headphones and go with that regardless of what sound source you use.
Won't be cheap to get but when you get it and hear it, you'll notice the difference right away - I did. 

[Sarra]

2 hours ago, vformula00 said:

With anything audio related technology, newer does not necessarily always mean better.

With anything PC related, not having functional drivers does not necessarily mean it will work at all.

 

An old card might give better sound quality, lower latency, or just generally work better, but if you can't get a functional driver for it, then it won't work at all.

 

I would suggest getting a DAC if your onboard sound is not to your liking. In fact, get an external hardware based EQ, and a tube preamp. Audio is a money pit and a rabbit hole rolled up into one. I've teetered at the brink a few times, but other than getting some DJ headphones and a decent DAC, I've kept from falling too far down it.

[Pasi123]

On 12/5/2022 at 8:22 PM, mariushm said:

On Intel .... I honestly don't know when they cut PCI out, but I suspect it's around LGA1366  ... Wikipedia says X58 + ICH10R had PCI support ... before that some chipsets had PCI enabled, others didn't have it .. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#5/6/7/8/9_Series_chipsets

B75, Q75 and Q77 were the last ones with native PCI