Gaming pc help

[aShqrk]

5 minutes ago, Entropy. said:

Dont, the performance will be hardly better (if better at all). Save on the CPU, spend on the GPU. A 5600 would be fantastic for 4k. 

what about the i5 13600k? is that good for 4k gaming it is cheaper than ryzen 7 5800x3d and the ryzen 9 5800x on the amd site.

[Entropy.]

1 minute ago, aShqrk said:

what about the i5 13600k?

No, what I said applies for every CPU. You'd be throwing your money away if you purchase a 13600k over something like a 5600 for 4k gaming. 

[Jeppes]

28 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

I got downvoted on Reddit like crazy for this, but it annoys me that RDNA3 uses 3x8 pin and not the new mini 16pin with the sense cables. Almost makes me completely disinterested

Im annoyed they did not go with 2x8pin. Its not like the cables melt when you oc vega56 to 560W... Could just make a new 300W 8-pin spec and let idiots ruin stuff with cheap garbage if they are stupid enough.

[Shimejii]

52 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

I got downvoted on Reddit like crazy for this, but it annoys me that RDNA3 uses 3x8 pin and not the new mini 16pin with the sense cables. Almost makes me completely disinterested

Because your opinion on this is simply just so nonsensical. Yes the 16 Pin connect can look cleaner from the top, but also you are using the same plugs either way unless you decided to buy a brand new PSU that are still pretty damn expensive. The 600W is only good if it can actually use that much, otherwise 450W is still plenty for a GPU, and more then likely thats all they designed it for.  If Thats all it took for you to be disinterested, that is just a representation on you as a person rather then the product. Learn to be better, you will end up being much happier, otherwise theres a reason people will not agree with your opinions when they are so clearly wrong.

1 hour ago, aShqrk said:

is  i7 13700k or i9 13900k (or 13900ks when and if it comes out when i start buying) will it bottle neck with a 6900 xt if it will what gpu should i get for the cpu?

If you are buying this and wondering, i would suggest holding off until you learn and put in the time to get a proper understanding of what the words you are saying actually mean. Bottleneck you in what? You didnt specify ANYTHING, for gaming? No unless you play at a stupid high resolution. For Certain programs? More then likely not you should be fine. But you have to phrase things better and give specifics if you want a much clearer answer. Also i would suggest holding off buying a 6900XT unless you are buying it used for a good price since They have been going down in price.

[aShqrk]

6 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Because your opinion on this is simply just so nonsensical. Yes the 16 Pin connect can look cleaner from the top, but also you are using the same plugs either way unless you decided to buy a brand new PSU that are still pretty damn expensive. The 600W is only good if it can actually use that much, otherwise 450W is still plenty for a GPU, and more then likely thats all they designed it for.  If Thats all it took for you to be disinterested, that is just a representation on you as a person rather then the product. Learn to be better, you will end up being much happier, otherwise theres a reason people will not agree with your opinions when they are so clearly wrong.

If you are buying this and wondering, i would suggest holding off until you learn and put in the time to get a proper understanding of what the words you are saying actually mean. Bottleneck you in what? You didnt specify ANYTHING, for gaming? No unless you play at a stupid high resolution. For Certain programs? More then likely not you should be fine. But you have to phrase things better and give specifics if you want a much clearer answer. Also i would suggest holding off buying a 6900XT unless you are buying it used for a good price since They have been going down in price.

im want to game at 4k and 3090s and 3080s are not rly going down maybe ebay ones but im not gonna buy a gpu off ebay

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, aShqrk said:

planing to buy at the earliest around thanksgiving. plus i want to know if an ryzen 7 5800x3d or ryzen 9 5900x will preform better in 4k with the 6900 xt

Simple youtube search reveals this.   5800x3D is the king of 5xxx series gaming.

 

Ask again in 30 days, too much changing with RDNA3 and Black Friday and early Christmas sales.

[aShqrk]

12 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Simple youtube search reveals this.   5800x3D is the king of 5xxx series gaming.

 

Ask again in 30 days, too much changing with RDNA3 and Black Friday and early Christmas sales.

well ill be using 6900 xt if rtx 3080 ti or 3090 prices dont drop that much and not rly planing on using rdna3.

[Dedayog]

Just now, aShqrk said:

well ill be using 6900 xt if rtx 3080 ti or 3090 prices dont drop that much and not rly planing on using rdna3.

Without seeing the performance or pricing of RDNA3, that is very shortsighted.  6900xt is a fantastic GPU for the money though, so you can't go wrong with it.  I just wouldn't lock it in until you see the new stuff.

[Shimejii]

24 minutes ago, aShqrk said:

im want to game at 4k and 3090s and 3080s are not rly going down maybe ebay ones but im not gonna buy a gpu off ebay

Im going to be genuinely honest with you. Gaming at 4k Is really dumb, its just not something you should really do unless you have plenty of money to spend. 4k Panels that are actually good for gaming are going to be VERY expensive, it does not make sense to spend a ton of money on Hardware just to buy a crappy 4k panel. 6900XT wont game at 4k all that great, you can adjust settings and see what works but its still a pretty hard resolution to enjoy without having a ton of GPU horsepower.

 

4k Gaming pretty much requires a 4090 type GPU to be viable, id wait until next gen before actually going for 4k, just do 1440p for now. Also if your just gaming get a 13600k, much better value, or 13700k. 

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Shimejii said:

Im going to be genuinely honest with you. Gaming at 4k Is really dumb, its just not something you should really do unless you have plenty of money to spend. 4k Panels that are actually good for gaming are going to be VERY expensive, it does not make sense to spend a ton of money on Hardware just to buy a crappy 4k panel. 6900XT wont game at 4k all that great, you can adjust settings and see what works but its still a pretty hard resolution to enjoy without having a ton of GPU horsepower.

 

4k Gaming pretty much requires a 4090 type GPU to be viable, id wait until next gen before actually going for 4k, just do 1440p for now. Also if your just gaming get a 13600k, much better value, or 13700k. 

Hey, some people buy Ferrari's and use them to get groceries and take their kids to school!. 4k gamers are more about epeen than anything else, but we know that and they know we know

 

We all do silly shit, if you got the money, do it!

[aShqrk]

Just now, Shimejii said:

Im going to be genuinely honest with you. Gaming at 4k Is really dumb, its just not something you should really do unless you have plenty of money to spend. 4k Panels that are actually good for gaming are going to be VERY expensive, it does not make sense to spend a ton of money on Hardware just to buy a crappy 4k panel. 6900XT wont game at 4k all that great, you can adjust settings and see what works but its still a pretty hard resolution to enjoy without having a ton of GPU horsepower.

 

4k Gaming pretty much requires a 4090 type GPU to be viable, id wait until next gen before actually going for 4k, just do 1440p for now. Also if your just gaming get a 13600k, much better value, or 13700k. 

i was just planning on gaming in 1440p but saw that i could get a 6900 xt i thought i could game at 4k but ok

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, aShqrk said:

i was just planning on gaming in 1440p but saw that i could get a 6900 xt i thought i could game at 4k but ok

No, game at 1440p and enjoy the nice high frame rates the 6900xt will give you.  Or even downgrade to a 6800xt, which will run 1440p like a champ too.

 

Don't go chasing waterfalls, stick to the rivers and lakes that you're used to.

[aShqrk]

3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

No, game at 1440p and enjoy the nice high frame rates the 6900xt will give you.  Or even downgrade to a 6800xt, which will run 1440p like a champ too.

 

Don't go chasing waterfalls, stick to the rivers and lakes that you're used to.

ok but what if i do get a 3090 or 3080 ti could i game at 4k?

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, aShqrk said:

ok but what if i do get a 3090 or 3080 ti could i game at 4k?

Oh of course. I'm not saying it's not possible, I am just recommending NOT to game in 4k.  it's an expensive hobby, and frankly only a few here can really afford it (in the way "afford" truly means).  Just a prejudice, it all

 

6900xt, 3090, 3090Ti.... they can all game in 4K.  But gaming in 4K on a 27" monitor that you can't tell the difference between 1440p on it... not exactly what i'd call 4K gaming.  Get at LEAST a 32" monitor, so you can see the tightness of the pixels.   

 

1080p gaming on 24"

1440p on 27-32. and the UW's

4K for 32" and above, including the 1440p SUW (cuz pixel count)

 

My general rule.

 

[aShqrk]

is 28-34-34-89 good for ddr5 speed?

[RONOTHAN##]

DDR5 primary timings aren't really that relevant, the difference between something like CL30-35-35-70 and CL40-40-40-90 is relatively small for an XMP setup. What matters with DDR5 is the subtimings and frequency, the first isn't part of the XMP so not something you can really shop for or use unless you're planning on manually overclocking your RAM, and the second you didn't mention. 

 

Therefore I'll ask, what frequency is the kit you're looking at, what CPU are you planning on using with it, and what is your plan to use the frequency your paying for (enable XMP, manually overclock, or just use JEDEC speeds)

[aShqrk]

26 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

DDR5 primary timings aren't really that relevant, the difference between something like CL30-35-35-70 and CL40-40-40-90 is relatively small for an XMP setup. What matters with DDR5 is the subtimings and frequency, the first isn't part of the XMP so not something you can really shop for or use unless you're planning on manually overclocking your RAM, and the second you didn't mention. 

 

Therefore I'll ask, what frequency is the kit you're looking at, what CPU are you planning on using with it, and what is your plan to use the frequency your paying for (enable XMP, manually overclock, or just use JEDEC speeds)

G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5600 Intel XMP 3.0 Desktop Memory Model F5-5600J2834F16GX2-RS5K - Newegg.com

 

im lazy to write the specs

[RONOTHAN##]

48 minutes ago, aShqrk said:

G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5600 Intel XMP 3.0 Desktop Memory Model F5-5600J2834F16GX2-RS5K - Newegg.com

 

im lazy to write the specs

That kit is way too expensive for what it is. It's got low timings and everything resulting in about as fast a DDR5 5600 kit as you can get, but low primaries don't mean that much on DDR5, what matters most is the rated frequency of the kit. If you're going for a 13th gen Intel system, you want to get as high a frequency kit as you can afford (though if you're going for a 4 DIMM Z690 board I'd probably stick to a kit under 6400MT/s for compatibility sake). If you're going for an AMD rig, you want to aim for a 6000MT/s kit since getting above 6000MT/s in 1:1 mode is hit or miss. 

 

Either that or buy a cheap 5600MT/s CL40 kit and do manual RAM overclocking. Every kit you find in the 5600MT/s bin will do 6200MT/s with ease, and if you're lucky you could get one that does 7000MT/s (though again, it will depend on your motherboard for whether or not that'll work). 

 

If you're gonna be exclusively buying from Newegg, get one of these kits depending on what you're looking for

1. Fast AMD
   1. Would also be a decent pick on Intel
2. Relatively fast Intel
3. Cheap overclocking

You may be wondering why each of those kits picked (aside from the fast Intel) were of the looser variety for each of those kits use the looser of the possible timings, that's because the looser ones are more likely to be Hynix M die memory, which tends to have slightly better XMP compatibility (from what I know it shouldn't be an issue anymore, but early on it was sometimes an issue on the Samsung kits from what I've seen) and if you desire to overclock your RAM (either immediately or in the future) you will get significantly better results than the Samsung alternatives that are also found in those memory bins, plus as I said above, the primary timings mean very little on DDR5 so the 4 ticks slower on each of them won't be noticeable (it's ~1ns difference between them at theoretical values, and in reality where the RAM to core latency is ~60ns that's barely anything)

[Guest]

6 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Every kit you find in the 5600MT/s bin will do 6200MT/s with ease

Depending on mobo and cpu though. 

 

I actually have a g.skill 6400 32 39 39 102 1.4V kit, but with my msi pro z690-a wifi mobo and 12700k cpu, anything above 5800 is not stable enough for daily use. It will boot at 6400, but not always, often giving error message at boot, telling me that the OC failed and returning to bios. 5800 30 37 37 28 + sub timings for hynix ram borrowed from a buildzoid guide on YouTube runs completely stable (1,000% hci, 10,000% and in khura) aida64 I get around 64ns latency still (although that's with everything booting up normally, if you test in safe mode it's around 59ns).

 

Overall, I think the advice to buy a cheap kit and then just OC it without xmp is the best advice, you're right, but I wouldn't say that every kit can reach 6200 with ease..... like I said, mine is rated for 6400 but I still can't get to 6000 lol.

[aShqrk]

will ddr5 6400 will work on i7 13700k?

[shermn8r]

According to Intel, the i7-13700K's memory specifications is DDR5 up to 5600Mhz and DDR4 up to 3200Mhz. So yes, it will work but i'm pretty sure it will just get capped at 5600Mhz so you're better off saving some money just getting 5600Mhz Ram. 

 

Source: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/230500/intel-core-i713700k-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz.html

Edited October 21, 2022 by shermn8r

[aShqrk]

13 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

That kit is way too expensive for what it is. It's got low timings and everything resulting in about as fast a DDR5 5600 kit as you can get, but low primaries don't mean that much on DDR5, what matters most is the rated frequency of the kit. If you're going for a 13th gen Intel system, you want to get as high a frequency kit as you can afford (though if you're going for a 4 DIMM Z690 board I'd probably stick to a kit under 6400MT/s for compatibility sake). If you're going for an AMD rig, you want to aim for a 6000MT/s kit since getting above 6000MT/s in 1:1 mode is hit or miss. 

 

Either that or buy a cheap 5600MT/s CL40 kit and do manual RAM overclocking. Every kit you find in the 5600MT/s bin will do 6200MT/s with ease, and if you're lucky you could get one that does 7000MT/s (though again, it will depend on your motherboard for whether or not that'll work). 

 

If you're gonna be exclusively buying from Newegg, get one of these kits depending on what you're looking for

1. Fast AMD
   1. Would also be a decent pick on Intel
2. Relatively fast Intel
3. Cheap overclocking

You may be wondering why each of those kits picked (aside from the fast Intel) were of the looser variety for each of those kits use the looser of the possible timings, that's because the looser ones are more likely to be Hynix M die memory, which tends to have slightly better XMP compatibility (from what I know it shouldn't be an issue anymore, but early on it was sometimes an issue on the Samsung kits from what I've seen) and if you desire to overclock your RAM (either immediately or in the future) you will get significantly better results than the Samsung alternatives that are also found in those memory bins, plus as I said above, the primary timings mean very little on DDR5 so the 4 ticks slower on each of them won't be noticeable (it's ~1ns difference between them at theoretical values, and in reality where the RAM to core latency is ~60ns that's barely anything)

well is the fast intel gonna work on a core i7 13700k?

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, shermn8r said:

According to Intel, the i7-13700K's memory specifications is DDR5 up to 5600Mhz and DDR4 up to 3200Mhz. So yes, it will work but i'm pretty sure it will just get capped at 5600Mhz so you're better off saving some money just getting 5600Mhz Ram. 

Not how that works, that's just the max Intel officially supports. With DDR4 it's usually 2666 or 3200 depending on SKU, with a motherboard that supports XMP you can run a higher profile, or for ones that support manual OC, clock the RAM higher yourself. For example: my i7 6950X supports DDR4 at 2400/2133Mhz according to Intel spec. I run my 2800Mhz or 3200Mhz XMP kits with it without issue. 

[shermn8r]

Just now, Zando_ said:

Not how that works, that's just the max Intel officially supports. With DDR4 it's usually 2666 or 3200 depending on SKU, with a motherboard that supports XMP you can run a higher profile, or for ones that support manual OC, clock the RAM higher yourself. For example: my i7 6950X supports DDR4 at 2400/2133Mhz according to Intel spec. I run my 2800Mhz or 3200Mhz XMP kits with it without issue. 

Okay good to know because i'm gonna get a i5-13600KF but wasn't sure if I could go above 5600Mhz. 

[aShqrk]

33 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Not how that works, that's just the max Intel officially supports. With DDR4 it's usually 2666 or 3200 depending on SKU, with a motherboard that supports XMP you can run a higher profile, or for ones that support manual OC, clock the RAM higher yourself. For example: my i7 6950X supports DDR4 at 2400/2133Mhz according to Intel spec. I run my 2800Mhz or 3200Mhz XMP kits with it without issue. 

ASRock Z790 PRO RS LGA 1700 Intel Z790 SATA 6Gb/s DDR5 ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

is this a motherboard that can use xmp 3.0 6400 ddr5 ram?