Upgrade from 10980XE to 7950x for 4090?

[Nocturn]

I am currently running 10980XE on ASUS Prime Deluxe II with 128GB(Yes, I actually use them) of DDR4. 

 

In terms of gaming, I mainly play Dota 2 and Single Player AAA titles, like cyberpunk, Borderlands, Far Cry, and others

 

How much bottlenecking there will be from the 10980XE, is it worth spending at least another 2k$ moving to AM5?

[dizmo]

For games, I doubt it'd be worth it. I'd look into what it'll do for you in a productivity sense where it might show greater gains.

Why would it cost you $2k? Do you not sell your old gear to move forward?

[Dukesilver27-]

Apparently for some games (not CP2077), the CPU limited the GPU, according LTT's 4090 benchmark. However, they did not mention what CPU they were using, but I'll assume they use 12900k to benchmark GPUs to eliminate any CPU bottleneck.

Anyway, 7950x is more geared towards productivity, for gaming, the 7700x has better benchmark result, that is consistent throughout multiple benchmark results from multiple sources. 

To sum up, how much of a bottleneck your CPU would be, is yet to be seen and very dependent on the games you play. 

 

[Nocturn]

16 minutes ago, dizmo said:

For games, I doubt it'd be worth it. I'd look into what it'll do for you in a productivity sense where it might show greater gains.

Why would it cost you $2k? Do you not sell your old gear to move forward?

I am involved in all of the stages of game development. So I have both CPU and GPU-intensive tasks.

 

For me, it makes more sense to keep the other platform, buy something like an ark GPU, and just offload some of the CPU workloads onto a secondary system (already have a spare case, drive and PSU).

[Nocturn]

14 minutes ago, Dukesilver27- said:

Apparently for some games (not CP2077), the CPU limited the GPU, according LTT's 4090 benchmark. However, they did not mention what CPU they were using, but I'll assume they use 12900k to benchmark GPUs to eliminate any CPU bottleneck.

Anyway, 7950x is more geared towards productivity, for gaming, the 7700x has better benchmark result, that is consistent throughout multiple benchmark results from multiple sources. 

To sum up, how much of a bottleneck your CPU would be, is yet to be seen and is very dependent on the games you play. 

 

My main concern is something like borderlands 3(And spin off in the near future). Because I currently get 50-60 99% tile fps in it @5120x1440(odyssey G9) and the FPS drops are sometimes actually noticeable. From reviews 3090 was supposed to be getting 80fps @4k, and during my testing, the GPU looked to be 100% utilized. I don't know if the lower fps was due to a CPU bottleneck or due to the fact that borderlands does not like super ultrawide. So I want to know if the same would happen on 4090

[dizmo]

7 minutes ago, Nocturn said:

I am involved in all of the stages of game development. So I have both CPU and GPU-intensive tasks.

 

For me, it makes more sense to keep the other platform, buy something like an ark GPU, and just offload some of the CPU workloads onto a secondary system (already have a spare case, drive and PSU).

As with anything from a "worth" standpoint, you and you alone can answer this.

Is it worth the lower rendering times etc? Then get it.
If not? Then don't.

[Nocturn]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

As with anything from a "worth" standpoint, you and you alone can answer this.

Is it worth the lower rendering times etc? Then get it.
If not? Then don't.

In terms of my question, view it as upgrading purely for gaming. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Just set allcore 5ghz 1.25v static and see if your gaming performance improves then

[Nocturn]

5 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Just set allcore 5ghz 1.25v static and see if your gaming performance improves then

Currently running 4.8 at 1.4, going higher is kinda scary, but the CPU has its own loop with a quad rad. What else can I adjust?

Lowering voltage results in instability

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, Nocturn said:

Currently running 4.8 at 1.4, going higher is kinda scary, but the CPU has its own loop with a quad rad. What else can I adjust?

Lowering voltage results in instability

Huh a bad sample, or you are just running at high temps

 

Ryzen 7000 is hot because the terrible ihs design, its too thicc which means direct die can yeild ~20c drop at higher ocs (1.2v+ 5.4+), der8aur made a vid on direct die ryzen 7000 so check that out. You will need to direct die to even make use of your custom loop with ryzen 7000

 

If you wanna have a go at ryzen 7000 sure go ahead, though 32gbit ics arent in the hands of consumers atm so youll be stuck at 128gb in a terrible quad rank configuration (overly stresses the imc) which will pretty much nuke any futureproofing with ddr5 (any ic that isnt garbage micron 16gbit a die does 7000 atleast which should be enough to ride out most if not all of the ddr5 generation with a kit you buy now)

[Nocturn]

56 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Huh a bad sample, or you are just running at high temps

 

Ryzen 7000 is hot because the terrible ihs design, its too thicc which means direct die can yeild ~20c drop at higher ocs (1.2v+ 5.4+), der8aur made a vid on direct die ryzen 7000 so check that out. You will need to direct die to even make use of your custom loop with ryzen 7000

 

If you wanna have a go at ryzen 7000 sure go ahead, though 32gbit ics arent in the hands of consumers atm so youll be stuck at 128gb in a terrible quad rank configuration (overly stresses the imc) which will pretty much nuke any futureproofing with ddr5 (any ic that isnt garbage micron 16gbit a die does 7000 atleast which should be enough to ride out most if not all of the ddr5 generation with a kit you buy now)

Corsair Dominators 32gb dims are in stock

as is trident Z

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 minute ago, Nocturn said:

Corsair Dominators 32gb dims are in stock

as is trident Z

Those are dual sided dual rank dimms.

 

What i mean by 32gbit ics are 32gb single sided sticks and 64gb dual sided dual rank sticks. If you get quad rank that will stress the crap out of the imc while giving no performance benifit so itll clock lower vs dual rank and single rank thus nuking ddr5 futureproofing potential. Maybe 64gbit ics will come out later in ddr5s lifespan but thatll be a few years while 32gbit may be in a few months